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NFT: "We wanted flying cars, instead we got 140 characters"

chris r : 9/13/2014 1:00 pm
I'm wondering what people think about Peter Thiel's view that we've been stagnant for decades now in terms of meaningful technological innovations outside of computers and the internet.

Here's another quote of his on the same theme.

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You have as much computing power in your iPhone as was available at the time of the Apollo missions. But what is it being used for? It’s being used to throw angry birds at pigs; it’s being used to send pictures of your cat to people halfway around the world; it’s being used to check in as the virtual mayor of a virtual nowhere while you’re riding a subway from the nineteenth century.”



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RE: Technological change is coming, and it's coming fast.  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/14/2014 9:19 am : link
In comment 11859576 manh george said:
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In a sense, we are in a transition period where the benefits of accelerating computerization are not yet quite as obvious as they will be. However, it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that they don't exist:

--Massive increases in the use of the genome to improve health care, in ways such as cures for cancer;

--Ways to deal with chronic diseases like diabetes that are only in their early stages;

--Massively cheaper energy sources

--Crowd-sourced technological innovation that can put hundreds of thousands of brains to work on a single idea;

--Super-cheap on-line education available to virtually everyone through low-cost cell phones;

And on and on.

I use "The Second Machine Age" as my go-to source, but there are, many, many others. The entire book is now on-line, free. (linked)

The ignorance among supposedly smart people about how accelerating technological change is changing the world, and will continue to do so, is kind of mind-boggling. There was a major paper at Jackson Hole this year from an economist at MIT of all places, that seemed to think that Moore's Law is entirely about being able to do arithmetic more quickly. He apparently never heard of the massive pockets of technological ingenuity at his own University.

His paper is here:

http://www.kc.frb.org/publicat/sympos/2014/2014.0818.autor.handout.pdf

There are major downsides to all this change, in terms of hard competition between humans and increasingly sophisticated robots and computers, and real problems for income disparity that the technologists seem to think will magically go away. They are wrong, imo. But, in the meantime, the amount of new, cheap "stuff" that will be generated by technology is pretty mindboggling.

Ray Kurzweil is one of the great futurists. One of his better pieces is here:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/425818/kurzweil-responds-dont-underestimate-the-singularity/

There is so much changing, so fast, that Thiel's thesis is just silly. Surprisingly so.

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Innovations occur so fast that they are not news or noted anymore.
you forgot internet and email for later half of 20th century  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 9/14/2014 9:35 am : link
which has been the most disruptive
Well ,really,  
Enoch : 9/14/2014 11:07 am : link
does anybody seriously think flying cars would be a good idea?
RE: Well ,really,  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/14/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11860164 Enoch said:
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does anybody seriously think flying cars would be a good idea?


I thought that myself!!

Imagine the wreaks. The carnage would be unbelievable.
I can understand Thiel's frustration  
Bramton1 : 9/15/2014 9:39 am : link
We're only 13 months away from Marty McFly time traveling into 2015, and there aren't any flying cars, and we're no where close to Jaws 19 (they haven't even made Jaws 5 yet!).

I think I might have to wear two ties to work on October 21, 2015.

flying cars isn't happening  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2014 9:47 am : link
atleast not as a major means of transportation. It will be tried, probably done successfully sometime in the next decade or two, but I cannot see it A) being safe, B) government allowing it and C) be cheap enough for it to be made/used on a wide scale.
A couple of thoughts  
njm : 9/15/2014 10:41 am : link
1. Using 1932 as the beginning date for measurement of increasing income to compare to other eras is really cherry picking your conclusion. 1932 was the bottom of the Great Depression so you're starting from an historically low base.

2. Autos - My first car, 40 years ago, got about 16 MPG highway. My current car, about the same size, gets about 38. You can argue it should be better, but a 238% improvement ain't nothing.

3. 140 characters might have helped the Arab Spring, but it also led to loads of misinformation after the Boston Marathon bombing. It's a technology that provides benefits if used properly, but negative results if used improperly. And given the tendency on the part of some to claim in depth knowledge of a subject based on reading 140 characters, I'd say the jury is still out.

4. Clearly there have been advances in medical technology. The system, however, is still screwed up.
How is a flying car  
Pork and Beans : 9/15/2014 10:48 am : link
different than a four seat Cessna? It is supposed to drive on the road and then also fly? They have those. No one wants them. It sounds so funny. Hey flying cars would be so cool, this internet thing sucks. The internet is the most amazing thing ever created by the human race. A connected computing network giving every joe schmo access to just about everything. Its not the technology's fault that people use it for dumb shit.
For the record  
Semipro Lineman : 9/15/2014 10:55 am : link
there are at least five commerical prototypes for the flying car being developed. There are a few youtube videos of the AeroMobil which did a test flight about a year ago. Just saying
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Whats the meaning of meaningful?  
WideRight : 9/15/2014 11:00 am : link
Economics requires that supply meet demand.

So I would suggest to Mr. Thiel that at current markets, more people wanted 140 characters than flying cars.

I think price and safety concerns have held back flying cars.
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Pork and Beans : 9/15/2014 11:04 am : link
I can pick up something the size of about a magazine  
Some Fan : 9/15/2014 11:29 am : link
and watch a neverending supply of free porn, not just pictures. That is progress.
The one aspect this points out inadvertently is that  
montanagiant : 9/15/2014 5:24 pm : link
While we have evolved into different power supplies in other fields, we still are stuck with the internal combustion engine using the same fuel that was developed in the 1880's.

Forget flying, lets get a new viable power source to run our transportation first
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