I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
I really have trouble believing how susceptible the West is Â
to the cultural phenomenon of beheading. If 3 people in the middle of hostilities had gotten 2 taps to the back of the head would there be any difference?
I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Two of the leading voices in the Muslim world denounced the persecution of Christians in Iraq, at the hands of extremists proclaiming a caliphate under the name Islamic State.
The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.
In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
RE: I really have trouble believing how susceptible the West is Â
to the cultural phenomenon of beheading. If 3 people in the middle of hostilities had gotten 2 taps to the back of the head would there be any difference?
If you don't see the difference between 3 people getting shot during combat, and 3 civilians getting their fucking heads cut off live on camera for the entire world to see, then there is no helping you. Holy shit
Two of the leading voices in the Muslim world denounced the persecution of Christians in Iraq, at the hands of extremists proclaiming a caliphate under the name Islamic State.
The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.
In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
Then help me out here. If the Muslims, Communists and Socialist in France don't support ISIS, who makes up the 16% who do?
RE: RE: I really have trouble believing how susceptible the West is Â
to the cultural phenomenon of beheading. If 3 people in the middle of hostilities had gotten 2 taps to the back of the head would there be any difference?
If you don't see the difference between 3 people getting shot during combat, and 3 civilians getting their fucking heads cut off live on camera for the entire world to see, then there is no helping you. Holy shit
You are exactly the kind of person that they behead people for, because they know how it horrifies you
I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Back in the days when I followed conservative politics there was exactly 1 Muslim cleric that Fox news and talk radio could come up with to denounce Muslim terrorists. I don't believe it's changed all that much in the last few years. There are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. Does it really matter how many you or I know?
I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Well, there was that one time he wanted to try shawarma...
Our good friends the Saudis beheaed 19 people last month Â
with a broad brush basically assuming that all Muslims are radical and want to kill us. Experts on the topic and defenders of the Muslim faith say that only about 15% of them are radical and want the west and the Jews dead.
Well, there are A LOT of Muslims in the world and if you do the math (and if that percentage is correct) then 15% of them is equal to the population of the United States. That is a lot of people who want us dead.
Bill in Utah - they interviewed 1,000 people. They could have just happened to get a few more muslims. Who knows their sampling methodology?
I don't think communists or socialists are pro isis.
Communists are typically atheist and not affiliated with religious groups at all.
Only religious psychos are pro isis. And particularly religious Muslim psychos.
I appreciate your answer, really. But who are the French people who are supporting them, then, and why?
even some non-muslim, non socialist people in France hate the US and hate jews so it's not outlandish to believe they'd support ISIS. the difference could be any number of sources, reasons or a margin of error with the polling results. I wouldn't get hung up on it.
if you read the comments below that article,there are some French folk commenting that they think that number is ludicrous, and the article is rubbish. Polling numbers are extremely inconsistent with reality, unless every single person in the country were to get polled
because ISIS is a bunch of terrorists. Their game is psychological. I do think that this would be best handled by the other Arab countries. Let them get all medieval on each other.
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In comment 11859677 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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with a broad brush basically assuming that all Muslims are radical and want to kill us. Experts on the topic and defenders of the Muslim faith say that only about 15% of them are radical and want the west and the Jews dead.
Well, there are A LOT of Muslims in the world and if you do the math (and if that percentage is correct) then 15% of them is equal to the population of the United States. That is a lot of people who want us dead.
yep. 15-20% of 1.2 bil is around a USA full of fundamentalists. Good thing they are on the primitive end of the spectrum instead of the modern 21st century side. If they had the brains and the tech that the infidels and Zionists do, that could be the end for lots of people.
these scumbags have been beheading people their entire existence. They behead their own people on a daily basis. It's what they do. Every American on the planet could feel just like tough guy Bill does, and it wouldn't change a thing.
RE: RE: Muslims in general have been unfairly painted Â
yep. 15-20% of 1.2 bil is around a USA full of fundamentalists. Good thing they are on the primitive end of the spectrum instead of the modern 21st century side. If they had the brains and the tech that the infidels and Zionists do, that could be the end for lots of people.
If they had brains they'd be far less likely to be fundamentalists.
All of these are exactly the same I've learned here Â
I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Back in the days when I followed conservative politics there was exactly 1 Muslim cleric that Fox news and talk radio could come up with to denounce Muslim terrorists. I don't believe it's changed all that much in the last few years. There are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. Does it really matter how many you or I know?
Yes, it actually matters when you make such an ignorant comment regarding an entire swath of people based solely on your idiotic political view. You make an assertion that a large number of Muslims do not denounce ISIS and its horrific acts when you have no clue or experience dealing with everyday Muslims. And if you're basing your understanding of how Muslims think and act based on shitty conservative TV and talking heads, then that tells me exactly how much I need to know regarding how stupid you are...and that's a compliment.
RE: Our good friends the Saudis beheaed 19 people last month Â
BUT the notion that they are "un-Islamic" is stupid. This sort of movement has numerous parallels in Islamic history, in fact it was a recurring phenomenon for the first several centuries of Islam. A band of young fundamentalists purporting to wrest the faith and the faithful from decadent "Islamic" monarchies, from Muhammad himself to Shiism to the Islamic dynasties in Spain, they understand themselves to be an echo of history and if we dismiss the pull that has for some in those communities we do it at our peril.
This is part of Arab culture. They've been fighting with each other and against Europe and other cultures for centuries. This is not new. Them being able to terrorize millions over the internet is new.
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
I can't entirely disagree that sometimes the folks on the "far left" tend to get confused and defend organizations like Hamas. They get mixed up. I have wondered myself why I often hear progressive or liberal people defend the most hardcore religious freaks just because they happen to be Muslim Palestinians or Lebanese instead of White American Evangelicals. But I think it has to do with a) Jew hating b) USA bashing c) not linking the Muslim Palestinians with the massive Muslim majority in that region.
Other than that? Socialists are way more like the Jews who started kibbutzes in Israel than the Islamist radicals who hate even other tribes within their own religion enough to slaughter them in mass and behead them too.
It's like fuckwads on the right who prefer Putin to Obama... Â
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
Since your wrong you can consider yourself corrected.
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
Since your wrong you can consider yourself corrected.
Really? The example of a few hundred years of history is against you.
RE: It's like fuckwads on the right who prefer Putin to Obama... Â
a chopping block. They're sawing off people's heads with a hunting knife. Glad you're comforted by the idea that you think it's not a bad end.
Just let him have this one...it's another one of those contrarian thing he's good at. I think anyone seeing the brutal way these assholes are sawing off these victims' heads would agree that it's a brutal and certainly horrifically painful way to die. But radar doesn't believe so.
ISIS is an evil, nihilistic entity
chris r : 8:52 pm : link : reply
that said, among methods of execution, is beheading especially barbaric? I would imagine its basically instantaneous death.
...because to say this, it tells me you've never had the displeasure of seeing one of these beheadings with your own eyes.
these scumbags have been beheading people their entire existence. They behead their own people on a daily basis. It's what they do. Every American on the planet could feel just like tough guy Bill does, and it wouldn't change a thing.
I don't know why you'd call me a tough guy. I think we should get the hell out of the whole region.
Considering these terrorists are beheading people with knives you'd use to cut a London broil, I would venture to guess that these beheadings are NOT instantaneous.
The assessment by many experts who have watched the videos is that... Â
the reason why ISIS cuts away from showing the act of the actual beheading in the video is because the event is even more brutal and messier (and takes far longer to achieve) than one would expect a beheading to be that even ISIS knows that their overall goal of instilling fear through these videos will be negatively impacted as it will instead cause anger and resolve among the viewers or even make ISIS look like brutal amateurs unable to efficiently behead someone. One would hope that death comes instantly, but the reality is that it comes after agonizing pain that seem to last an eternity.
16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds - ( New Window )
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
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I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/09/10/French-Muslim-leaders-denounce-ISIS-brutality-.html
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/09/03/washington-area-muslim-groups-denounce-isis-call-them-criminals/
The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.
In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
If you don't see the difference between 3 people getting shot during combat, and 3 civilians getting their fucking heads cut off live on camera for the entire world to see, then there is no helping you. Holy shit
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/09/10/French-Muslim-leaders-denounce-ISIS-brutality-.html
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/09/03/washington-area-muslim-groups-denounce-isis-call-them-criminals/
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Two of the leading voices in the Muslim world denounced the persecution of Christians in Iraq, at the hands of extremists proclaiming a caliphate under the name Islamic State.
The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.
In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
Then help me out here. If the Muslims, Communists and Socialist in France don't support ISIS, who makes up the 16% who do?
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to the cultural phenomenon of beheading. If 3 people in the middle of hostilities had gotten 2 taps to the back of the head would there be any difference?
If you don't see the difference between 3 people getting shot during combat, and 3 civilians getting their fucking heads cut off live on camera for the entire world to see, then there is no helping you. Holy shit
You are exactly the kind of person that they behead people for, because they know how it horrifies you
I've defended my country. Fought in the Gulf War. Don't give me your bullshit about what I'm horrified of.
I glad your all cool and shit with other peoples children getting tortured on live television.
Seriously? Do you need a venn diagram drawn out for you?
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I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Back in the days when I followed conservative politics there was exactly 1 Muslim cleric that Fox news and talk radio could come up with to denounce Muslim terrorists. I don't believe it's changed all that much in the last few years. There are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. Does it really matter how many you or I know?
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I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Well, there was that one time he wanted to try shawarma...
ISIS could not have come into existence absent the USA's direct invasion of Iraq and the USA's invasion via proxy of Syria.
The War On Terror was a tremendous success for the terrorists. Obama is now following in W's proud foot steps. Welcome to the forever war.
I don't think communists or socialists are pro isis.
Communists are typically atheist and not affiliated with religious groups at all.
Only religious psychos are pro isis. And particularly religious Muslim psychos.
I don't think communists or socialists are pro isis.
Communists are typically atheist and not affiliated with religious groups at all.
Only religious psychos are pro isis. And particularly religious Muslim psychos.
I appreciate your answer, really. But who are the French people who are supporting them, then, and why?
Well, there are A LOT of Muslims in the world and if you do the math (and if that percentage is correct) then 15% of them is equal to the population of the United States. That is a lot of people who want us dead.
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Bill in Utah - they interviewed 1,000 people. They could have just happened to get a few more muslims. Who knows their sampling methodology?
I don't think communists or socialists are pro isis.
Communists are typically atheist and not affiliated with religious groups at all.
Only religious psychos are pro isis. And particularly religious Muslim psychos.
I appreciate your answer, really. But who are the French people who are supporting them, then, and why?
even some non-muslim, non socialist people in France hate the US and hate jews so it's not outlandish to believe they'd support ISIS. the difference could be any number of sources, reasons or a margin of error with the polling results. I wouldn't get hung up on it.
Well, there are A LOT of Muslims in the world and if you do the math (and if that percentage is correct) then 15% of them is equal to the population of the United States. That is a lot of people who want us dead.
yep. 15-20% of 1.2 bil is around a USA full of fundamentalists. Good thing they are on the primitive end of the spectrum instead of the modern 21st century side. If they had the brains and the tech that the infidels and Zionists do, that could be the end for lots of people.
Worth asking again.
If they had brains they'd be far less likely to be fundamentalists.
Socialism
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In comment 11859628 jgambrosio said:
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I don't care about politics in this situation, that shouldn't come into play in something as grotesque as this. There are also a large number of muslims who have publicly denounced ISIS' actions.
Really? How many constitutes a large number? 5?
You continue to show your ignorance in matters beyond cooking. Please tell me you're not serious about only a small number of Muslims denouncing ISIS and its actions. Exactly how many Muslims have you interacted with or even know personally?
Back in the days when I followed conservative politics there was exactly 1 Muslim cleric that Fox news and talk radio could come up with to denounce Muslim terrorists. I don't believe it's changed all that much in the last few years. There are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. Does it really matter how many you or I know?
Yes, it actually matters when you make such an ignorant comment regarding an entire swath of people based solely on your idiotic political view. You make an assertion that a large number of Muslims do not denounce ISIS and its horrific acts when you have no clue or experience dealing with everyday Muslims. And if you're basing your understanding of how Muslims think and act based on shitty conservative TV and talking heads, then that tells me exactly how much I need to know regarding how stupid you are...and that's a compliment.
ISIS could not have come into existence absent the USA's direct invasion of Iraq and the USA's invasion via proxy of Syria.
The War On Terror was a tremendous success for the terrorists. Obama is now following in W's proud foot steps. Welcome to the forever war.
And I'm sure it was a boon for your girlfriend when she profited off of the war. Get the fuck out of here with your tired posts.
probably don't want an open casket funeral after one of these considerate and painless be-headings the whole headless thing might be off-putting.
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have to do with Islamic Fascists?
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
I can't entirely disagree that sometimes the folks on the "far left" tend to get confused and defend organizations like Hamas. They get mixed up. I have wondered myself why I often hear progressive or liberal people defend the most hardcore religious freaks just because they happen to be Muslim Palestinians or Lebanese instead of White American Evangelicals. But I think it has to do with a) Jew hating b) USA bashing c) not linking the Muslim Palestinians with the massive Muslim majority in that region.
Other than that? Socialists are way more like the Jews who started kibbutzes in Israel than the Islamist radicals who hate even other tribes within their own religion enough to slaughter them in mass and behead them too.
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have to do with Islamic Fascists?
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
Since your wrong you can consider yourself corrected.
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have to do with Islamic Fascists?
It's been my impression that people on the far left are more sympathetic to revolutionary causes. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong in the belief.
Since your wrong you can consider yourself corrected.
Really? The example of a few hundred years of history is against you.
yea there's no fuckwads on the left.
Just let him have this one...it's another one of those contrarian thing he's good at. I think anyone seeing the brutal way these assholes are sawing off these victims' heads would agree that it's a brutal and certainly horrifically painful way to die. But radar doesn't believe so.
chris r : 8:52 pm : link : reply
that said, among methods of execution, is beheading especially barbaric? I would imagine its basically instantaneous death.
...because to say this, it tells me you've never had the displeasure of seeing one of these beheadings with your own eyes.
If you had, you wouldn't have posted that.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
I expected better out of you. Holy fuck.
I don't know why you'd call me a tough guy. I think we should get the hell out of the whole region.
How on Earth can someone cutting through tissue, muscle, and bone with a blade be "painless"?