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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2014 4:01 pm
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This team stinks  
nybeast : 9/14/2014 4:18 pm : link
You take the good with the bad. We won two. SBs And had the best and most dominant team for a season before Plax shot himself. You can't win every year and the Giants are clearly rebuilding. The only questions now is where do we fall in the top five picks in draft and who will be our head coach next year? Giant fans we must be realistic.

Last week it was on Eli. This week special teams. Next week it will be something else, trust me.
Francis Scott Key?  
jeff57 : 9/14/2014 4:18 pm : link
Oh say can you see that this team sucks
At least TC voiced his digust  
NewBlue : 9/14/2014 4:18 pm : link
Over the third down conversions on D.
His snarky comment directed to Fewell was, the longer the distance the opposition has the easier it is to convert.
Jennings fumble is one of the weirdest plays  
Mason : 9/14/2014 4:18 pm : link
was it the turf that caught him?
cocksucker who burned his Eli Jersey  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/14/2014 4:18 pm : link
you burning you Cruz Jersey too? fcuk head
Corey Washington  
LeftHook : 9/14/2014 4:19 pm : link


Was he available today ! WTF why not...
Rebuilding?  
NewBlue : 9/14/2014 4:20 pm : link
Yeah our minor leagues look great
Beason getting MRI  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/14/2014 4:20 pm : link
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bc4life  
Matt M. : 9/14/2014 4:20 pm : link
There were 2 flags on that play, if I'm not mistaken. One was BS, which is the one they highlighted. The other was most definitely a good call.
Where's JPP?  
nybeast : 9/14/2014 4:20 pm : link
How many sacks does he have? All I see is him talking big and partying on FB. Why does the NY press give these dudes a pass?
schedule right now looks brutal....  
Simms11 : 9/14/2014 4:20 pm : link
If we win 2 games in first 7, it will be a miracle!
Beason MRI  
NewBlue : 9/14/2014 4:21 pm : link
Forget about him...Herzlich will be the man
Matt M  
bc4life : 9/14/2014 4:21 pm : link
That's right, I stand corrected. One on Peterson and one on # 25.

I thought Cards got their fair share of bad calls too.

This game was there to be won. They actually had to work at it to give this one away.
RE: RE: LETS GO RANGERS!  
baadbill : 9/14/2014 4:22 pm : link
In comment 11862071 NVA_Blue said:
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In comment 11862025 baadbill said:
First Rangers related post from BaadBill i'm on board with


lol
last part of game, our Pass rush went away  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/14/2014 4:22 pm : link
Cards holding like crazy, I could see it from 2500 miles away. no calls

league is fixed
It is amazing how the three units can't play well together  
Mason : 9/14/2014 4:22 pm : link
offense struggles, D plays well and no problems on ST.

Offense plays well, D begin to crack

Offense and D play well, ST fucks up royally. It is ongoing throughout the years.
RE: 0-2 and Houston next week  
Emanfan : 9/14/2014 4:22 pm : link
In comment 11861922 bignygfan said:
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How will Eli let us down next week?

Eli threw well today, this was a team effort in inconsistency...PERIOD...FULL STOP!
JPP  
bc4life : 9/14/2014 4:22 pm : link
was doubled a lot and still got pressure and the played the run well.
Anybody says " we beat ourselves" again....I am going to go ape shit  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/14/2014 4:23 pm : link
The players don't have the talent....the players are not capable enough to win....they just aren't. They CANT do it because they're not capable of doing it......
RE: Corey Washington  
jeff57 : 9/14/2014 4:23 pm : link
In comment 11862081 LeftHook said:
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Was he available today ! WTF why not...


Because he's a rookie
RE: Beason getting MRI  
Simms11 : 9/14/2014 4:23 pm : link
In comment 11862087 Steve in South Jersey said:
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Probably worst news! McClain nor Herzlich can play LB!!!!!!!
RE: Anybody says  
endwerc : 9/14/2014 4:23 pm : link
In comment 11862112 I Love Clams Casino said:
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The players don't have the talent....the players are not capable enough to win....they just aren't. They CANT do it because they're not capable of doing it......


They're not capable of not fumbling?
RE: Where's JPP?  
PetesHereNow : 9/14/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11862090 nybeast said:
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How many sacks does he have? All I see is him talking big and partying on FB. Why does the NY press give these dudes a pass?


JPP had 1.5 sacks and 2 tackles, not the problem.
This team is awful.  
BigBlueBuff : 9/14/2014 4:24 pm : link
Thank God they didn't extend Eli because they will have a legit shot at Winston in the draft to jump start a rebuild with a new coach. As far as I'm concerned, Eli can play well week after week and yet still find ways to turn the ball over and lose for some other fans. He's as big a part of the problem as anyone.

Good thing Gilbride retired, he was really holding the team back, haha
any injury updates?  
larryflower37 : 9/14/2014 4:25 pm : link
long season things can change quickly.
RE: this team has mastered the art of  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/14/2014 4:25 pm : link
In comment 11862042 WeatherMan said:
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shooting themselves in the foot.


Bad teams have a tendency to do that.
Eli played well today  
bc4life : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
Team is just not good enough to overcome those major mistakes. They had this game won.
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Jints in Carolina : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 8m
Coughlin: "The longer the yardage is on third down the easier it is for the opponent to make it." About his defense.
RE: Anybody says  
Mason : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11862112 I Love Clams Casino said:
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The players don't have the talent....the players are not capable enough to win....they just aren't. They CANT do it because they're not capable of doing it......


Bullshit. Why is Demps allowed to run every return out of the endzone whether he is short of the 20 yard line or not. That's his call. DRC and Prince are making the call to play off the line of scrimmage. LBers are making the call to cover Larry out there?
RE: Anybody says  
Simms11 : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11862112 I Love Clams Casino said:
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The players don't have the talent....the players are not capable enough to win....they just aren't. They CANT do it because they're not capable of doing it......


Yes they are.... that's BS. They dropped way too many passes today, had too many penalties at critical times and turned the bal l over at inopportune moments. They could have probably tied the game up on the drive where Jennings fumbled, even with all the other BS that happened.
winston?  
Giants2012 : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
Are you kidding me?????????
RE: This team is awful.  
dep026 : 9/14/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11862119 BigBlueBuff said:
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Thank God they didn't extend Eli because they will have a legit shot at Winston in the draft to jump start a rebuild with a new coach. As far as I'm concerned, Eli can play well week after week and yet still find ways to turn the ball over and lose for some other fans. He's as big a part of the problem as anyone.

Good thing Gilbride retired, he was really holding the team back, haha


Dont Winston. Want OL. I would draft skill guys, but we are striking out left and right with some of these WRS (PLEASE COME BACK odb.)
RE: any injury updates?  
Jints in Carolina : 9/14/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11862124 larryflower37 said:
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long season things can change quickly.


Beason in a walking boot...Hurt same toe.
RE: This team is awful.  
PetesHereNow : 9/14/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11862119 BigBlueBuff said:
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Thank God they didn't extend Eli because they will have a legit shot at Winston in the draft to jump start a rebuild with a new coach. As far as I'm concerned, Eli can play well week after week and yet still find ways to turn the ball over and lose for some other fans. He's as big a part of the problem as anyone.

Good thing Gilbride retired, he was really holding the team back, haha


yes, must have been Eli's fault that Cruz forgot how to catch. There was one bad pass by Eli all day, it was deflected off a lineman and picked.
Boy Am I Glad Living in North Carolina  
Aloha Alan : 9/14/2014 4:28 pm : link
I didn't see the game.

All these negatives I am getting from everyone. Seems like it was a pretty crappy game and effort by some, and especially with our favorite coach, the great and wonderful Tom "I get a pass because?" Quinn.

How many years of being horrific on Special Teams? 4, 5, more?

If we end up 4-12 this year (which I hope we do not of course) will there be wholesale changes on this supposed re-building team?

Sure would like to hear some truly positives coming from folks here.
RE: .  
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In comment 11862129 Jints in Carolina said:
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Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 8m
Coughlin: "The longer the yardage is on third down the easier it is for the opponent to make it." About his defense.


I said that today. It's very fucking true. Draw play on 3rd and 14 and it works?!!!!????!!!!!!????!? That's the mark of a very bad team, very bad.

I fear we've dug ourselves a hole that we may not be able to get out of for years and years.
RE: We keep blaming the FO  
Greg from LI : 9/14/2014 4:28 pm : link
In comment 11862040 jcn56 said:
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but I'm starting to think we have a bigger coaching problem. STs still makes basic mental errors at least 2-3 times a game (this is going back through the championship runs). Defense, miscommunications, despite a number of high priced acquisitions.

I'm starting to think that the team tuned TC and co. out a couple of years ago and just haven't listened to him since.


I agree. This team does not play like a well coached team.

All coaches have a sell-by date.
RE: Boy Am I Glad Living in North Carolina  
endwerc : 9/14/2014 4:29 pm : link
In comment 11862142 Aloha Alan said:
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Sure would like to hear some truly positives coming from folks here.


Larry Donnell. That's it.
We are watching a Giants football team  
JoefromPa : 9/14/2014 4:29 pm : link
that resembles those of the late 60's and all through the 70's, with the exception that this team actually has a quarterback.

But in that it is a team that gets blown out all too frequently, and manages to make just enough mistakes to lose the close games, it is very similar.

Perhaps some of the younger fans on this site now understand why guys that were fans during the earlier eras, were not as impatient as you during the 10-6 9-7 8-8 no play off years.

At least the team was competitive and gave you games into December to get involved in.

It is much preferable to being out of serious contention by the end of Oct, where last year's team found themselves, and where this team seems content on getting to.
Special teams...  
rocco8112 : 9/14/2014 4:30 pm : link
...lost the game today. If we cover punts like last year and have the most inept return game in the NFL again it will be a long year.

Offense was by far the strongest unit today.

I think Giants win next week.
Losing to that team is a disgrace  
Gman11 : 9/14/2014 4:30 pm : link
Without their starting QB. Without starters on defense.

Perry Fewell needs to be fired. They were saved by a penalty at the end of the first half or else the Cardinals would have driven from their own 10 to about the Giants 20 in less than 30 seconds. That's not on the players. That's the scheme.

How can they let up the first down to the TE late in the game. The team plays well on first and second down, but breaks down on third. That's the scheme.

I know the defense didn't give up many points, but they let the Cardinals offense win the field position. AND, wasn't Fewell hired because his Buffalo teams got a lot of turnovers? When will this team get one?

Fire his ass now.
Crazy part is......if you look at stats  
Simms11 : 9/14/2014 4:31 pm : link
alone, minus turnovers, you'd think the Giants would have won. 4 turnovers and none on o their side were ass kickers and all in bad spots.
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Paulie Walnuts : 9/14/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11862143 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 11862129 Jints in Carolina said:


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Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 8m
Coughlin: "The longer the yardage is on third down the easier it is for the opponent to make it." About his defense.



I said that today. It's very fucking true. Draw play on 3rd and 14 and it works?!!!!????!!!!!!????!? That's the mark of a very bad team, very bad.

I fear we've dug ourselves a hole that we may not be able to get out of for years and years.


Jints I hate Fewells defense, and we have given up 3rd and Plus 10's for years under him, and guess what? if TC retires, he'll be the next head coach under Reese and Co
RE: Where's JPP?  
Peter from CT : 9/14/2014 4:32 pm : link
In comment 11862090 nybeast said:
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How many sacks does he have? All I see is him talking big and partying on FB. Why does the NY press give these dudes a pass?


He had 1 sacks, 2 tackles for loss, 2 passed defensed and 2 more QB hits.

Not sure what else you want from him.
This is probably  
Sammo284 : 9/14/2014 4:33 pm : link
a 3-4 win team.

Housecleaning incoming in January.
RE: winston?  
BigBlueBuff : 9/14/2014 4:33 pm : link
In comment 11862132 Giants2012 said:
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Are you kidding me?????????
Try a few more question marks. They make you seem smarter and you could use all the help you can get.
RE: Special teams...  
Simms11 : 9/14/2014 4:34 pm : link
In comment 11862152 rocco8112 said:
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...lost the game today. If we cover punts like last year and have the most inept return game in the NFL again it will be a long year.

Offense was by far the strongest unit today.

I think Giants win next week.


They have to. It's become essentially a must win. If we go 0-3, we'll probably never recover and Houston won't be an easy out either.
start 0-2 and you have a 12% chance of making the playoffs  
baadbill : 9/14/2014 4:34 pm : link
... 0-3 and your odds drop to 2% ...
and no team that has started 0-4 has ever made the playoffs
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tough game to lose, but this pessimist  
Reese's Pieces : 9/14/2014 4:34 pm : link

sees the game as a positive. Eli got some protection and threw the ball well. Most important: Eli is not "done."

Also, this big tight end might be the next Boss, Jake. The defensive line generated pressure and had sacks. The defensive backfield played almost as good as we had hoped subject to crazed, cocaine-snorting officials.

Turnovers can't be helped. Players who can't secure the ball will not play. Running game poor and completely lacking in explosiveness, but a lot of us already expected that from the two slow, north-south runners. I would rather have Bradshaw back with two crippled feet.

To sum, we look like we aren't going to be a humiliated, bottom feeding team. Many holes, but there is still a core.








RE: RE: Anybody says  
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In comment 11862131 Simms11 said:
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The players don't have the talent....the players are not capable enough to win....they just aren't. They CANT do it because they're not capable of doing it......



Yes they are.... that's BS. They dropped way too many passes today, had too many penalties at critical times and turned the bal l over at inopportune moments. They could have probably tied the game up on the drive where Jennings fumbled, even with all the other BS that happened.


A dropped pass means he doesn't have the talent to catch the ball in that situation.. Does Larry Fitzgerald drop passes like that? No....why not? Because he's more fucking talented....get it? Our WRs don't have the talent/ capability of making that play....otherwise you seem to suggest that he dropped it on purpose?
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