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this was a positive loss

Carthonfan : 9/14/2014 4:33 pm
The D played extremely well after the first drive.

Eli was near perfect barring the off the helmet throw.

Donnell looks like a legit starter.

The o line was passable.

They obviously lost because of three consecutive plays (Cruz drop, Ginn run back, Demps fumble) but if you look at the aggregate of plays this could be a contender in a weak division.

Let's go Colts!
agree completely  
CMicks3110 : 9/14/2014 4:38 pm : link
I'm not jumping off the bridge yet with this team. Remember, Arizona beat a very good San Diego team last week. Yes, they were without palmer, but its not as if Stanton is terrible, you can see that he has talent. Our offense looked really good after the first quarter, if we can get beckham back in this offense, I think we can be competitive.
The fuck is this?  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/14/2014 4:38 pm : link
Individual efforts are to be acknowledged. Bur there is nothing positive about this loss. We were up, in the second half, at home, against a QB who hasn't played in 4 years and we collapsed.
Arizona traveled to the east coast on a short week  
SHO'NUFF : 9/14/2014 4:41 pm : link
with a decimated team...with a QB that last started in 2010...if any game was to be won, it was this game.
Yeah but  
mattlawson : 9/14/2014 4:42 pm : link
WE DOSNT LOOK LISTLESS! Championship!!!
I'm actually encouraged as well  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 9/14/2014 4:44 pm : link
We showed more promise offensively in this game than maybe all of last year. If the line can come together and provide mediocre pass protection consistently, we have a chance. Eli just has to work on lodging the ball into Cruz and Randle's facemasks so they don't have to worry about catching anymore.
Some of these posters...  
bob16 : 9/14/2014 4:44 pm : link
sound like Ray Rice's wife - "well, he doesn't beat me all the time so that's a positive."
A positive loss....  
Gman11 : 9/14/2014 4:47 pm : link
That's only said by losers.

Should they be having a celebration in the locker room for this positive loss?

They should be ashamed of themselves for losing a game where the other team had to play their backup QB who hasn't played in 4 years and a defense that was without major contributors.

Positive loss = bullshit.
Agreed. This Arizona team was decimated on defense.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/14/2014 4:49 pm : link
With a QB who hasn't played in 4 years.
This is as embarrassing as a loss as we could have had.
awful  
marc in easton : 9/14/2014 4:50 pm : link
loss, we gave game away. a good loss is if you play your balls off against a superior team, make no mistakes and they barely beat you cause theyre just better. Not the case today. More positive than a team starting to play like a pro team would be less turnovers.
Please delete this stupid thread  
Giants2012 : 9/14/2014 4:51 pm : link
Wtf
no loss is positive  
bc4life : 9/14/2014 4:53 pm : link
but I get the point - there were signs of improvement, most importantly in the offense
The definition of a positive loss  
mfsd : 9/14/2014 4:55 pm : link
Was losing the last reg season game to the Pats in 2007...we lost, but went into the playoffs knowing we were good enough to beat anyone

There were positive signs on offense today, but it was a terrible loss
are people going to say this after each of the  
nygmen84 : 9/14/2014 4:56 pm : link
13 or 14 losses this season? Just curious.
You should have titled it differently  
Headhunter : 9/14/2014 4:56 pm : link
because you make points, but you invite scorn by the way you phrased it
We beat teams the week after we play them  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/14/2014 4:57 pm : link
....i explain


You're a football team, you play the NY Giants, and feel like world beaters...." Wow" you think to your collective self..." We torched that team easily, I feel good, the team is good"......you feel good about your practices all week, because you really don't have much to work on, look how good you are......

And thennnnnnnn.....you play a real NFL team the following week and get your ass beat....ask Detroit...we beat the Lions THIS week.....just watch how bad Arizona does next week, watch...

See? It's not ALL bad.
Defense is broken  
Zebra3 : 9/14/2014 4:59 pm : link
Who would have thought the defense would be this bad?
this is a new team with  
Carthonfan : 9/14/2014 5:00 pm : link
9 new starters. Pointing out the problems that led to the loss does not negate that Eli looks good and the D is solid. We all know what the weaknesses are and there were bad plays but theyou moved the ball... step in the right direction. This is what you want to see from a rebuilding team that is looking for chemistry.
the D let up one Td  
Carthonfan : 9/14/2014 5:02 pm : link
And then zero for the last 11 possessions. Thee D looked bad? Really?
carthonfan  
marc in easton : 9/14/2014 5:03 pm : link
good points, i think fans are frustrated by the mental mistakes, dropped passes and st plays, its getting old.
plus the fact  
marc in easton : 9/14/2014 5:04 pm : link
our season is on the brink when its still summer for two years in a row.
special teams is a disaster  
Carthonfan : 9/14/2014 5:06 pm : link
We brought in Bowman and he missed a big tackle. We bring in Demps aND he fumbles. This is VERY very fixable
It doesn't  
Rick5 : 9/14/2014 5:08 pm : link
matter. If they lose next week, the chances of making the playoffs are tiny.
they are one game out if  
Carthonfan : 9/14/2014 5:10 pm : link
A very good Colts team wins at home... it's a good 0-2. They are not in the Seahawks, Broncos, or Patriots division
.....  
Micko : 9/14/2014 5:47 pm : link
We're officially the Jaguars.
RE: they are one game out if  
spike : 9/14/2014 5:49 pm : link
In comment 11862358 Carthonfan said:
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A very good Colts team wins at home... it's a good 0-2. They are not in the Seahawks, Broncos, or Patriots division


+1 it aint over til the fat lady sings.. then if so, fire Coughlin and co.
I think it was better than the Detroit game,  
Mad Mike : 9/14/2014 6:05 pm : link
but it wasn't exactly an impressive performance. It's good to look better, it's good to see Donnell continue to show something. But it's not like but for the punt return td we played a good game. We still didn't look good. But sure, I'd rather lose with some signs of improvement than just continuing to look absolutely awful. So there's that I guess.
0-2 teams make the playoffs 12% of the time  
BlueHurricane : 9/14/2014 6:06 pm : link
take your positive loss and get out of here. They lost to a beatable team with a guy who hadn't thrown a pass in a game since 2010. They fucking suck mooseballs. Theyu have all the traits of a garbage team. They found multiple ways to lose a game.
Bob16: Politically incorrect but you have a point  
Jupiter : 9/14/2014 6:07 pm : link
Normally I would be saying that it wasn't that bad. Throw out a few minutes in the 4th quarter and it wasn't too bad.

However, this team has a lot of players with poor skills (receiving, tackling, coverage)and a coaching staff in denial.

I think a few in-season firings (players, coaches and front office) might get everyone else to shape up.
Dallas and  
Rick5 : 9/14/2014 6:12 pm : link
the Redskins both won today, and the Giants are (likely) going to be facing a 2-0 team next week. They need to win that game, and it's probably going to be far from easy.
Just a reminder  
micky : 9/14/2014 6:32 pm : link
arizona were without a lot on their defense..including Dockett and a few others that is a combine loss of 250 or so tackles and 25Ints. Heard that brought up by Papa.
RE: Some of these posters...  
natefit : 9/14/2014 6:36 pm : link
In comment 11862251 bob16 said:
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sound like Ray Rice's wife - "well, he doesn't beat me all the time so that's a positive."


BAHAHA - well played!
RE: Just a reminder  
SGMen : 9/14/2014 6:55 pm : link
In comment 11862540 micky said:
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arizona were without a lot on their defense..including Dockett and a few others that is a combine loss of 250 or so tackles and 25Ints. Heard that brought up by Papa.
We gave this game away despite the fact that AZ was hurting and on the short week, long trip schedule advantage.
it was  
MookGiants : 9/14/2014 7:10 pm : link
a positive loss only regarding draft pick.

There were zero positives outside of that. We lost to a team traveling across the country on a short week. With a backup QB.
Cruz drops another  
lecky : 9/14/2014 7:12 pm : link
pass. 2 plays later the game is over. Good teams do not let that happen. Bottom line is Eli pretty much played as good as he has played in 2 years and we scored 14 points. Same old defense that can not stop anyone on third down. First drive 3 20 yard plays. Awful!!!!
are there more days in the East  
fkap : 9/14/2014 7:14 pm : link
than in AZ? Both teams had games on the same days of the week.

there was no short week advantage.

A loss is a loss  
Matt M. : 9/14/2014 8:06 pm : link
Dropping to 0-2 is not really a positive.
No positives from this  
NYerInMA : 9/14/2014 8:10 pm : link
The Giants would've won this game had they been the better team. As posted before, there were a lot of reasons Arizona was ripe for the taking. Instead the Giants dropped the ball literally and figuratively. I shudder to think what Houston is going to do to them next week.
You're right...  
Pierced05 : 9/14/2014 8:16 pm : link
For a 2-14 team this was a positve loss... This team is going nowhere fast this year. Season on the line next week. This sucks!!!
two ints a week  
blakjedi : 9/14/2014 9:58 pm : link
Cannot and should not be tolerated. I don't gov a rats what time in the game it is. Protect the ball Eli. WTF.
RE: two ints a week  
Bramton1 : 9/14/2014 10:44 pm : link
In comment 11863108 blakjedi said:
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Cannot and should not be tolerated. I don't gov a rats what time in the game it is. Protect the ball Eli. WTF.


Stupid fucking post. The first INT was a perfect combination of awful blocking, Cruz stumbling, and the pass hitting a helmet. Yes, Eli fans some of the blame on that play, but there was plenty to go around. The second INT was garbage time in a contest that was already over. Just watch the urgency the offense had in that drive. None. So who the fuck gives a shit about that play.

Meanwhile Eli goes 26 for 39. If or receivers gold on to two of their dropped passes, Eli hits the 70 percent mark we all laugh about.

We lost because of dropped passes, no running game, Jennings' fumble, Demps' fumble, Ginn's return, and stupid penalties of defense that prolonged drives.
As for the OP  
Bramton1 : 9/14/2014 10:48 pm : link
There were more positives in this game. But that does not equal a positive loss.

The Patriots' loss in 2007 was a positive loss. We knew if we could hang with the undefeated Pats, we could beat anyone. The Packers' game in 2011 was a positive loss. Same idea as in 2007. Today we lost to the ARIZONA FUCKING CARDINALS with a backup quarterback. If this was the result against Seattle, maybe I'd agree. But not Arizona. Not now.
This was an horrendous loss  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2014 11:14 pm : link
This is a game we should have won, not something to take a moral victory from. If we can' beat AZ at home then we are worse than I thought. In addition, we gave it away they didn't beat us. The D gave up 12 pts (mostly due to the refs). We turned it over twice deep in AZ territory.

This is a game AZ is thrilled to win. They won the battle on turnovers and special teams. If this is played again tomorrow we win.
I don't think any loss is positive  
chris r : 9/14/2014 11:17 pm : link
aside from maybe the NE loss in 2007.

It as a loss in which the team showed some positive signs though. And some negative ones too.
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