"It’s completely unacceptable to complain about the number of targets thrown your way after dropping two passes. But to then complain about the number of targets, then drop three after the complaint? That’s pathetic."
would you run 27 times when you are averaging less than 3 yards per carry AND trailing for almost 3 quarters. Why would you even have Herzlich in the game at that point. He is what he is and that's a pretty good special teamer but AZ is not a power running team and surely one would have thought that a 5th DB or even a quicker LB like Paysinger would have been more appropriate?
I think it was meant for who was running the slightly deeper route on the same trajectory (either Randal or JJ). I think Cruz interfered with a ball targeted for a different receiver, and I think he figured it out afterwards…which is why he looked so frustrated with himself.
would you run 27 times when you are averaging less than 3 yards per carry AND trailing for almost 3 quarters. Why would you even have Herzlich in the game at that point. He is what he is and that's a pretty good special teamer but AZ is not a power running team and surely one would have thought that a 5th DB or even a quicker LB like Paysinger would have been more appropriate?
I don't think they had a choice. You have to stay balanced. If you put Arizona in a position where they could just pin their ears back Eli would've gotten battered.
We need speed and the only one on the roster that can bring it on the outside is Beckham. Lets be careful with him but if he can be back for week 5 or 6 it should help, rookie or not.
This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
The runs put them in third and manageable situations. Which they actually converted.
would you run 27 times when you are averaging less than 3 yards per carry AND trailing for almost 3 quarters. Why would you even have Herzlich in the game at that point. He is what he is and that's a pretty good special teamer but AZ is not a power running team and surely one would have thought that a 5th DB or even a quicker LB like Paysinger would have been more appropriate?
I thought this as well. Once they were down to Herzlich, why didn't they go 3 safeties? Couldn't be worse than what they were running out there a LB.
This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
The runs put them in third and manageable situations. Which they actually converted.
I dont think that was true in the 2nd half. Seems like when they ran on 1st and 2nd down it resulted in 3rd and long.
and they were selling out for the run...if you switch gears, they have their ears pinned back, and I assure you, Eli would've gotten hit a lot more than 3 times.
Was just breaking down the rushing numbers and the 81 yards on 27 carries actually really flatters the run game. That includes a 5-yard scramble by Eli which is no big deal; the bigger deal is that Jennings best run - 13 yards - came with 27 seconds left in the game on a draw. His only other 10 yard run came on the fateful drive he fumbled on; in fact on their first 23 runs of the game over 3 1/2 quarters the Giants had 50 yards, barely two a pop. What a waste of offensive plays.
because you have to keep working at it or you never will develop a physical identity. You can't just give up the run or you have ZERO toughness to your team. They have had the unfortunate luck of playing against two monster DLs the past two weeks against the run.
The other reason? If Eli has to drop back 50 times a game, he'll never survive the season.
Didn't see the game. Is Connor about right when he days, "Two of which would have been touchdowns"?
The first drop right before the punt return, it would have been a huge gain. Cruz's defender jumped the route and missed. He would have had a huge chunk down the sideline with only one defender on the sideline running with a different WR. I cant say about pursuit though. It would have definitely put us close to FG range though.
Eric: I respectfully disagree. The objective is to win the game; who cares how you do it. What I would be concerned about is that if there has been a blind spot in the Coughlin era its that so much of the team's approach has been almost ideological. Coughlin has a philosophy as to how the game should be played and G-D it all that's what we are going to do. Another famous coach once said the key to coaching is to figure out what you do well and maximize the times you do (and conversely figure out what you don't do well and minimize that!) The fact is that Eli was barely breathed on throwing 36 times why would he get killed if he threw 50.Bottom line this was a very frustrating loss because you felt like we really just gave it away.
but I honestly don't believe it's the run/pass ratio that had anything to do with it. It was working well enough to get us the lead. It was the special teams blunders, the Cruz dropped passes, and finally Jennings' fumble that was the nail in the coffin.
Bottom line is they had the lead doing what they were doing and looked as good offensively as we had seen them all calendar year.
I understand completely what you are saying, but I also look at a team's development of an identity over a 16-game season. If you want to be a tough, physical team, you have to develop that. And the only way you do that is by keep plugging until it comes together.
I understand completely what you are saying, but I also look at a team's development of an identity over a 16-game season. If you want to be a tough, physical team, you have to develop that. And the only way you do that is by keep plugging until it comes together.
They should have abandoned it in the 4th when it was 14-13. Those two runs up the middle by Williams were just mind numbling awful. Eli was hot all game. Two bad runs, a drop, punt return, fumble, game over.
This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
This is football 101 stuff. You have to make them respect the run. It's easy to armchair this and look at yards per play pass vs run, but you completely discount that the pass is opened up because the Giants showed commitment to the ground game. The Cardinals were not going to drop 7 or 8 with the Giants constantly probing.
the turnovers were killers. Even the punt return you can recover from. Fumbling the kickoff and then an unforced fumble on the +15 the next drive? that was the game. Not to mention the early pick when we were in FG range. This team is nowhere near good enough to have a prayer of overcoming that
Eric: I also see what you are saying, but you have to play the hand you are dealt and the Giants don't have a true elite 20-carry a game RB and they don't have a physically dominating OL - Beatty, for example, is arguably one of the least physical OTs in the league and Walton looks like a midget out there. Meanwhile, Jennings is a nice back but he's naturally a complimentary back rather than a feature guy; in fact, Jennings seems to make his best plays when he's in space where he appears to be a tough guy to tackle but between the tackles he doesn't appear to have very good instincts, has almost no lateral agility and really doesn't move the pile.
I also worry that the whole debate (no between you and I but on the Giants if it exists) is that it represents something of a schizoid element on the Giants. The Giants brought in a new OC to introduce an uptempo, spread offense that plays fast and it just seems to be a contradiction in purposes to say we want to establish a physical identity. Its hard enough to do one, but to try and do both at the same time.
That also raises the question as to who is calling the shots of offense. When McAdoo arrived the buzz was that it was going to be his offense; indeed, the Giants switched to his terminology which is very unusual when bringing in a new OC to a team whose head coach is the de facto OC. Then Coughlin said unequivicably when asked who had the final say on the scheme and play calling that it would be McAdoo. (Surprised that no one asked him the obvious follow-up question what TC would be doing.) There were of course some follow up interviews that the new offense would be a blend of the old and new (which was preposterous on the face of it, because TC's old base offense and the WCO are so almost diameterically opposed).
Then at half time of the Lions game Coughlin told the cupcake interviewer at half time that the Giants wanted to establish the in the 2nd half to set up some play action, which of course was one of the basic tenets of his old offense. The philosophy of a WCO is that you spread the defense with the pass to set up the run.
Let me add that I don't believe for a second that the reason the Giants lost vs Arizona was because of the run/pass ratio. They lost because they kept shooting themselves in the foot.
Let me add that I don't believe for a second that the reason the Giants lost vs Arizona was because of the run/pass ratio. They lost because they kept shooting themselves in the foot.
-4 turnover ration is shooting yourself in BOTH feet.
Was just breaking down the rushing numbers and the 81 yards on 27 carries actually really flatters the run game. That includes a 5-yard scramble by Eli which is no big deal; the bigger deal is that Jennings best run - 13 yards - came with 27 seconds left in the game on a draw. His only other 10 yard run came on the fateful drive he fumbled on; in fact on their first 23 runs of the game over 3 1/2 quarters the Giants had 50 yards, barely two a pop. What a waste of offensive plays.
Totally agree. Should have thrown five to ten times more, especially if the pass were short yardage. And except for the play to Randle, we never tried anything deep. There is no speed on the edges, and everybody knows it.
Not only about developing an identity, but you have to try to get in 2nd and 3rd down manageable situations. I'd rather be 2nd and 7 and 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 10 or more. Plus, if you don't make the other team respect the run, they can just pin their ears back and go after Eli. As Eric said, that's not the way for Eli to survive the season.
They have to throw the ball downfield. Where is the long ball? Send someone deep down the sideline to open things up early for the run and the play action. I didnt see any particularly deep throws, maybe just the one to Cruz.
We averaged 10 yards per completion which is another reason why we couldnt run.
Eric: I respectfully disagree. The objective is to win the game; who cares how you do it. What I would be concerned about is that if there has been a blind spot in the Coughlin era its that so much of the team's approach has been almost ideological. Coughlin has a philosophy as to how the game should be played and G-D it all that's what we are going to do. Another famous coach once said the key to coaching is to figure out what you do well and maximize the times you do (and conversely figure out what you don't do well and minimize that!)
Thanks Colin for saying what others are afraid to say. There are times it feels like the SB wins were a total fluke.
Thanks Colin for saying what others are afraid to say. There are times it feels like the SB wins were a total fluke.
Not as flukie if you consider Plax shooting himself which derailed the great 2008 team and the miracle in thr meadowlands II cost them the #2 seed and they missed the playoffs.
played really well today. Why? Because he did not throw 4 picks today? He did have a lot of drops today but quite honestly a few of those balls also could have been placed better.
One may say that Eli played well enough for the Giants to win today. I say he didn't. Here is why...
If you look at his game today, there was nothing spectacular at all. We just did not get "bad Eli" today.
Unfortunately, we need much more than that. We have an offense with very little talent. So, we need our QB to play like an all pro so he can elevate the play of the rest of the offense. Pedestrian performances coupled with this shitty O line and sub par skill position players gets you about 14 points.
Then, when you consider that he is getting paid $20mm which is 1/6 of our salary cap... yeah we need A LOT more than what he delivered today.
There are QBs out there putting up the same numbers or better that make millions less. Those dollars could be spent in other areas to solidify this team. OR... Eli can start playing like a $20mm QB rather than a QB who played well before the iPhone 5.
My DUD has to go to Fewell. We have a secondary that Carl banks says is loaded with talent. Ok fine. If that is true, then why do they look like they dont know WFT they are doing out there? Why do we have guys wide open every game? Busted plays every game. Do these players suddenly forget how to play? Do they lack the physical skills as soon as the put on a blue uniform? OR..are the schemes and/or communication just all screwed up?
Finally why does Quinn still have a job? Naked pics of Coughlin somewhere?
As old Crash Davis would say 'you guys have to work on your cliches!' Don, running the ball does absolutely nothing to allow the defense to rest. Making first downs does. Of course, the game clock runs on running plays but whether you run the ball or pass and go three and out the actual time the defense gets to rest is exactly the same.
Re the Super Bowls there was absolutely nothing flukie about either. I think however you can make a pretty good case that the Giants won in 2011 as much in spite of TC's very very conservative game plans rather than because of any particular coaching brilliance on his part. Even in the SB game itself the Giants had a major edge tactical advantage in that the Patriots didn't have a CB on the roster who could stay with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, but because the Giants ran out of a two-wide formation on something like 40 of the 60 plays they ran thru the first three-quarters, NE was able to double on Nicks and Cruz while Manningham twiddled his thumbs on the sideline.
As old Crash Davis would say 'you guys have to work on your cliches!' Don, running the ball does absolutely nothing to allow the defense to rest. Making first downs does. Of course, the game clock runs on running plays but whether you run the ball or pass and go three and out the actual time the defense gets to rest is exactly the same.
Re the Super Bowls there was absolutely nothing flukie about either. I think however you can make a pretty good case that the Giants won in 2011 as much in spite of TC's very very conservative game plans rather than because of any particular coaching brilliance on his part. Even in the SB game itself the Giants had a major edge tactical advantage in that the Patriots didn't have a CB on the roster who could stay with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, but because the Giants ran out of a two-wide formation on something like 40 of the 60 plays they ran thru the first three-quarters, NE was able to double on Nicks and Cruz while Manningham twiddled his thumbs on the sideline.
Coughlin gets way too much credit for those SB wins and a major pass from loyalists who don't hold him responsible for the mental errors his teams make.
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At wide receiver. It's pretty obvious. I know this team has A TON of holes but All those complaining about drafting a wide receiver in the first round should see why after these first two weeks. Beckham is a complete unknown at this point but you can see why the Giants prioritized the WR position more than most on here did. Randle and Jernigan are not NFL starting WRs...they aren't. Cruz is effective with threats on the outside and with the current personnel, he will continue to struggle.
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has played many games together, which can't happen until injured linemen get healthy and the team can decide who its starting linemen are going to be.
I'm disappointed that the Giants have settled for Peyton Hillis as their premier running back. Now in his seventh season, the Giants are his fourth team and his average yards per carry is 4.1. For the preceding three years, 2011-2013, his yards per carry is only 3.5.
Running backs are no longer the big ticket item they once were and we should be able to do better. Get at least one back who is an outside threat.
Fewell was a major DUD! Continues to be too.. Imo this Defense does have some good talent, 2 good cover corners as well a 3rd CB from the Legion of Boom's excellent defense, but yet this defense looking like Dud's 2 games so far??! What gives?? Did DRC just get bad in one season?? Did DRC not play extremely well last season has been a top CB in the league for some time now??! Thurman lose his skills after winning the super bowl with the Seahawks??! Come on now?? Stats don't lie and Fewell has not been getting it done!! Same goes with the SP teams Coach??! WTF?? Here lies your main issues that continue to plague the Giants as a whole.. And I haven't even mentioned Reese's poor drafting & free agent signings?? smdh..
Cruz needs a lot of help (thank the Lord for Donnell)
Randle woke up a bit; Jernigan is a waste. What I want to know- where is 6'4" Corey Washington ?
What we all know is that Eli throws a high ball (always has). Seems like Cruz' catches are miraculous. It's hard & unfair to expect him to catch all those ball all the time, and call him a bum when he doesn't make them.
We're all waiting for the speedy Beckham to be the answer, but to me, at his best looks to me like another Cruz. We need a big man to go get those those catches.
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locking up Cameron Wake all game??! The same Seantrel Henderson that was picked up in the 7th rd??! The tackle Reese passed on and didn't take a chance on in the late rounds knowing how bad the Giants oline situation was?? Great job Reese, Smdh..
prdave73: Henderson lasted 50 picks after the Giants' last selection. Â
Would he have been a better pick at #187 than Bennett Jackson? I guess so. But the whole League passed on Henderson for nearly seven full rounds, including the Bills at #221 before taking him at #237.
If the Giants hadn't traded their seventh-round pick for Jon Beason, maybe Henderson would have been a consideration at #225. I doubt it, considering the Will Hill situation and the organization's "Character Initiative".
to force the defense to respect it, and that opens up passing opportunities. Even if runs are not yielding great gains, it still has to be defended. I was OK with the run/pass balance yesterday. Penalties and turnovers were the culprits.
Would he have been a better pick at #187 than Bennett Jackson? I guess so. But the whole League passed on Henderson for nearly seven full rounds, including the Bills at #221 before taking him at #237.
If the Giants hadn't traded their seventh-round pick for Jon Beason, maybe Henderson would have been a consideration at #225. I doubt it, considering the Will Hill situation and the organization's "Character Initiative".
This. I would have been fine taking Henderson in the sixth or fifth, but my guess is he wasn't even on the Giants' board. Or that of many other teams. He was an underachieving pothead in college, who then quit at his pro day IIRC. The Giants were still dealing with Will Hill, and had just gotten rid of Austin. Three years ago they might have taken a chance on Henderson. Not now. And however well Henderson plays, I won't criticize Reese for not doing so. Same for Burfict.
This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
Running the football tires out the DL. It's a necessity.
Regardless, the Cardinals played a game which was 10am their time with a backup QB and flew cross country during a short week. The Giants still couldn't figure it out.
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Once one of the biggest-name recruits in the nation coming out of high school, Henderson is prototypical in build and athleticism, and on a different career trajectory may have ended up being a first-round pick.
Marijuana use and off-field concerns, which are covered in full in this SBNation.com timeline, caused him to slide considerably - and that was before he then failed the Combine drug test.
He therefore is a huge character risk - but then, it's a seventh-round pick, and the Bills, who are quickly becoming known as an organization quick to hand out second chances, get a worthwhile developmental prospect late in the draft. His talent really is enormous.
“We’ve talked to Seantrel and he knows that he’s got one shot,” Bills G.M. Doug Whaley told ESPN. “We’re saying we’ll give you this one shot. It has nothing to do with us saying this guy is a talented football player; he’s been dealing with some demons. Hopefully those demons are out of his life and why not give somebody — this is America — give somebody a chance.”
Henderson’s off-field issues have included multiple failed drug tests in college and another failed drug test at the NFL Combine, plus a failure to complete his Pro Day workout. Bills coach Doug Marrone says the team knows what it’s getting with Henderson and will send him packing if he’s unable or unwilling to do everything the team asks of him.
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Miami OT Seantrel Henderson didn't help himself today - "quit" his Pro Day workout halfway through it. No explanation yet. Disappointing.
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Henderson's camp has responded. Agent David Levine told the Miami Herald that Henderson "did not quit" the workout but rather that dehydration was the reason he could not finish. Levine said that Henderson met with New York Giants GM Jerry Reese after the workout and also met with the offensive line coaches of the Bengals, Seahawks and Jets as well.v
on a rookie who has never played a down in the NFL, but Beckham appears to be the key that could turn things around. Forgot how good Eli is in zipping those passes into receivers who are not getting a lot of separation. Forgot how impressive Eli can be. And Donnell. Can you believe the TE is right now our go to guy. He doesn't look like a flash in the pan.The running wasn't good . Don't know how to fix it, other than block better. Duh. And really, what does Coughlin do in the game except watch.
because you have to keep working at it or you never will develop a physical identity. You can't just give up the run or you have ZERO toughness to your team. They have had the unfortunate luck of playing against two monster DLs the past two weeks against the run.
The other reason? If Eli has to drop back 50 times a game, he'll never survive the season.
BINGO!!
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1) I think the first INT is what puts a slight damper on what was otherwise an exceptional outing for Manning, not the second. The first was completely on Eli, regardless of the pressure and came during a drive where we were moving the ball.
2) Maybe, just maybe, Reese and the coahces know something about DT and TE. Both are positions people have moaned about here when we lose a guy via FA. Both are positions where they have either drafted a guy or signed a guy under the radar and exceeded expectations. Hankins and Donnell are the latest in this line. At TE, Myers is really the only dud we've had from a list of guys since Shockey that nobody wanted to draft or sign.
If we miss the playoffs again, it is time to clean house from the GM on down. I want a GM who believes in having a huge OL and a coach that believes in a power running game and not finesse bullshit. Knock people on their asses. That is the mindset you need and what I want in my offense. Take what you "WANT" not what the defense gives you. Also, the NFL needs to adopt the college rules when it comes to pass interference. PI calls are ruining the pro game. Just take shots downfield and you have an excellent chance of gaining big yards because of PI. It has gotten to the point were a CB can't breathe on a receiver without getting called. Ruins the game.
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If we are happy with Eli's play yesterday. He was anything but good. He was ok and he once again turned the ball over not once but twice. Shit I may have even forgotten an extra turnover... The guy is a turnover machine which can be ignored somewhat when Eli is throwing 28 tds and chucking up 4700 yards while winning countless 4th quarters. He's not doing that anymore.
Eli isn't necessarily the problem but he sure as fuck isn't helping this team win games.
This is where I disagree. Eli was the primary reason, in my opinion, the Giants took their first lead of the season. He was almost unstoppable after that first INT (which was 100% his fault). He threw 2 TDs on very well executed drives and plays.
The reason the Giants lost was 3 consecutive plays. first, Eli puts a ball in Cruz' hands on 3rd down, which the WR dropped. This throw, contrary to what most here are saying, was not perfect. So, if you want to put a small percentage on Eli fine. But, it was in Cruz' hands and he didn't hold it. The ensuing punt gets returned for a TD because a ST player brought here more for his ST play than his DB play couldn't tackle a struggling PR who he had wrapped up. The ensuing kickoff was fumbled, leading to another Cardinals score.
That sequence is where the game was lost. After that sequence, Cruz had more drops, as did Randle on a key play. And a sure handed RB fumbled a ball on a play where he was never touched by a defender. These plays sealed the loss. I fail to see where Eli is responsible for any of this. He was more of a reaosn why we were in the game, took the lead in the game, and seemed to be mounting another 4th quarter comeback.
If we are happy with Eli's play yesterday. He was anything but good. He was ok and he once again turned the ball over not once but twice. Shit I may have even forgotten an extra turnover... The guy is a turnover machine which can be ignored somewhat when Eli is throwing 28 tds and chucking up 4700 yards while winning countless 4th quarters. He's not doing that anymore.
Eli isn't necessarily the problem but he sure as fuck isn't helping this team win games.
Are we really going to act like an INT on a hail mary with 10 seconds left means any?
Five dropped passes yesterday.
26/39 277 2 TD 1 INT. How is that anything but good?
And Eli had three turnovers. Against a so so defense. At home. Yes there were drops. Yes D and specials let down. And yes eli was better than week 1. He was still average at best yesterday. Three fucking turnovers!! Again!!
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
shows a gross lack of awareness for what this team is right now.
How is he supposed to score points when receivers are dropping passes left and right. Cruz can't can't a bomb down the sideline or a 7 yard first down. He had them marching down the field until Jennings gave the game away.
the backs are running for 2.3 yard a rush, but magically there should be 30 points up there just because.
And Eli had three turnovers. Against a so so defense. At home. Yes there were drops. Yes D and specials let down. And yes eli was better than week 1. He was still average at best yesterday. Three fucking turnovers!! Again!!
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
But baby steps, man. With this team, more like ant steps. The offense can't score more than 14 points, nevermind 30. The defense can't create one single TO against a TO happy team like Detroit and a backup QB who hasn't played in 4 years, and on the road, nonetheless. In short, this team is brutal.
Trying to split the atom in figuring out who is at fault with the offense. It's the drops no it's the routes no it's the specials no it's the QB no it's coughlin no wait it's the OC!
14 points. At home. Everyone is culpable. Eli included. A great QB carries his team once or twice over a 26 game period. Eli has not. You can win with Eli I know that.. But he's not the difference maker from bad to good right now. I think that's clear to see.
Watch other offenses. Our offense, QB included is the worst offense in the entire nfl! The worst!!!!
Stop defending anyone here. They are all guilty.
Or go ahead and blame the OL. That's fashionable around here. How naby times was Eli hit yesterday? Twice ?
Outside of a few guys, the alpha players on this team, the guys paid to win and lead this team are sucking balls. Period. There's time to save the season. Go out there and do it or the coach will be fired and we start over again in 2015.
Eli gives them the lead and they defense then allows a 13 play drive. Giants still have lead as Eli throws good pass to Cruz for big gain and he drops it. Punt return TD, fumble on kickoff and FG makes 22-14.
Eli moves the team back down to AZ 20 and Jennings fumbles. Eli gets ball back again and throws good deep pass to Randle who drops it.
The QB put his team in position to win and make plays and they failed
And Eli had three turnovers. Against a so so defense. At home. Yes there were drops. Yes D and specials let down. And yes eli was better than week 1. He was still average at best yesterday. Three fucking turnovers!! Again!!
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
Ahhhh.... venom filled tirade at the QB, who was our best player on the field yesterday. And not a single mention of our overpaid #1 WR, inconsistent #2, lack of a #3, and no run game to speak of.
I love the line how a QB is suppose to make everyone around him better. Well the goal for this week is for not only Eli to throw it, but to run after the pass, catch it, and place it in the hands of our WRs so they can make plays.
I partially agree with you. Over the course of a couple of seasons, this offense does suck and has to be held accountable for their lack of scoring. At least part of that falls squarely on the shoulders of the QB. However, he was on the hook for 2 turnovers, not 3, with one of them in the last minute of a game that was over. His play yesterday not only gave us our first lead of the season yesterday, but also put us in a position to have a shot to win. the plays that stopped this from happening have been well chronicled here and don't need to be repeated.
I put this loss on a number of players before I even remotely consider Eli as a possible reason. This list includes Bowman, Demps, Jennings, the defense as a whole for not getting the critical stops, and I'd even throw in Quinn too. I'm sure there are others as well.
As for the defense, I was pleased with the pass rush showing up. And, our blitzes were getting pressure consistently for the first time in G-d knows how long. But, the D got shredded on the ground, can't get critical stops, continually gets burned on 3rd and long with WIDE OPEN receivers, anhd can't generate any fucking turnovers. That is a more consistently bad scapegoat than Eli, in my opinion.
No one can ever ever question Eli's play around here without you getting flustered.
Eli has not been very good lately. Just stop with the defensive agenda for one second and ask yourself how far this offense has fallen that we are "happy"'that our QB only turned it over once. There are always mitigating factors with the offense. I'm done with it. Eli is not helping anything anymore. He has pretty good games and bad games. No more great games I guess? Those days are over?
How's Eli gonna do against a great defense on the road? How's he gonna do when JJ watt is on his shit? Throw for 196 and 2 ints?
The entire offense is struggling. Eli is not necessarily the problem but he's not exactly the solution lately is he. Don't over analyze it.
Ask people on here who was Eli's biggest defender in 2005 or early 2007 or 2010.
I don't care what is wrong with this offense. My eyes tell me that Eli is not the same player he was from 2007-2011. He's not as adept at sliding in the pocket and avoiding the rush and he's not as deadly downfield, lack of Wrs not withstanding. Eli may get hot again. Yesterday was a start but we need more than just baby step progress here.
And if just love one error free game from Eli. That would be nice.
Eli's short to intermediate throws are rarely on the numbers. At best, they end up in the vicinity of the receiver. Yesterday, the receivers were catching them, but because of the positioning of the throw, were hampered in the YAC. It's one reason so many people questioned whether Eli is good for the west coast offense. His deep ball is great, the short ball not so much.
One of Cruz's 'drop' was a difficult catch. but there were a couple of killer, right in the bread basket, drops for which there is no excuse. To be fair, he did make at least one or two stellar catches that no one (except the unwashed masses of BBI) would blame him for missing.
And when a starting WR gets 39 yards receiving, it's hard to peg that as a stud performance.
No one can ever ever question Eli's play around here without you getting flustered.
Eli has not been very good lately. Just stop with the defensive agenda for one second and ask yourself how far this offense has fallen that we are "happy"'that our QB only turned it over once. There are always mitigating factors with the offense. I'm done with it. Eli is not helping anything anymore. He has pretty good games and bad games. No more great games I guess? Those days are over?
How's Eli gonna do against a great defense on the road? How's he gonna do when JJ watt is on his shit? Throw for 196 and 2 ints?
The entire offense is struggling. Eli is not necessarily the problem but he's not exactly the solution lately is he. Don't over analyze it.
Well when you have a pussy filled tirade over the best player on the field. you come off a whiny bitch. No one said Eli was perfect. But at one point he was 25-35 with 5 drops mixed in.... and 3 of those drops could have resulted in 30-40 yard pass plays. To me if I am going to cry like a bitch.... I would put the blame on Cruz and Randle for dropping huge pass plays which may have given us the victory.
Or maybe bitch about the running game that averaged 3 yards per carry. But carry on. I dont care what you have done in the past or supported because I could give two flying shits. This little tirade of yours makes you no better than the rest of the trolls who prove they know little of the game.
Its a shame that after Cruz shit the bed, Randle had another mistake, we got 0 running game, the STs sucked ass..... the majority of he blame still goes to Eli. This fan base is becoming wore than Dallas/Philly.
...you can't carry on a conversation without crying that poor little Eli is not the problem. We can't critique this guy even a little bit without you crying into your towel and going on and on about how Eli is just a victim of the worst OL ever created or the worst WRs evern assembled or the worst play calling ever crafted. We get it. Eli is never the problem. Ever.
Except sometimes Eli does make too many mistakes. Sometimes he throws too many INTs. Actually, he throws too many INTS every single game now. Only one yesterday. That's his best game in two years. Bravo.
I love the guy...more than most. And I have made peace with the fact that Eli is one of the most mistake prone, oddities at QB the NFL has ever seen. He's the single biggest reason why this team won two rings in 07-11 and he's also one of the reasons why this offense the most mistake prone units going. Just accept it and you'l be better off. Eli is awesome. But he's also fucking terrible sometimes. Yesterday he wasn't terrible. HE was solid and got hot for a few minutes...that's a start. Hopefully he doesn't play like dog shit next week against a very good D. I have faith he will play well...but i'm not blind or stupid enough to say that ELi has turned the corner.
...you can't carry on a conversation without crying that poor little Eli is not the problem. We can't critique this guy even a little bit without you crying into your towel and going on and on about how Eli is just a victim of the worst OL ever created or the worst WRs evern assembled or the worst play calling ever crafted. We get it. Eli is never the problem. Ever.
Except sometimes Eli does make too many mistakes. Sometimes he throws too many INTs. Actually, he throws too many INTS every single game now. Only one yesterday. That's his best game in two years. Bravo.
I love the guy...more than most. And I have made peace with the fact that Eli is one of the most mistake prone, oddities at QB the NFL has ever seen. He's the single biggest reason why this team won two rings in 07-11 and he's also one of the reasons why this offense the most mistake prone units going. Just accept it and you'l be better off. Eli is awesome. But he's also fucking terrible sometimes. Yesterday he wasn't terrible. HE was solid and got hot for a few minutes...that's a start. Hopefully he doesn't play like dog shit next week against a very good D. I have faith he will play well...but i'm not blind or stupid enough to say that ELi has turned the corner.
Boy I dont know what happened to you, but you turned into a f'n bitch. But way to back up your analysis with game information and data cause you sound so smart right now.
I hope with 2:00 left to go in every game Eli is 25-35 with 2 TDs, and 5 of those incompletions were drops. If thats the case, our offense will be fine. But I am sure experts like you will moan and bitch about those 10 incompletions.
But hey man, the rest of the team.... they almost overcame Eli's poor performance. Just amazing out of the 53 guys dressed... Eli was about problem 48-49 on the team. He played great yesterday. If the run game and WRs showed up, it would have been an easy win. But lets concentrate more on how Eli is just average. He didnt make a single player around him better.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
Fucking Eli. He couldnt fuckign run the ball at all yesterday, and look at those fucking drops. You think Eli would catch some of them and show the WRs how its done. What the fuck man.
when ELi was turning the ball over 25 times a year Â
I defended him because the offense scored over 400 pts that same year. I gladly took the good with the bad. I also saw something in Eli that led me to believe that he could be special when it mattered most. I said this dozens of times and was told no way in hell. Eli sucks. I defended this guy when he played like shit because I knew the offense was boom or bust. That guys like Shockey, Plax, Nicks and MArio were boom or bust WRs and not the most cerebral. That Eli was the one constant.
I don't see the same Eli anymore. I see a guy that still works harder than anyone. Still has the arm strength and still has the desire to win. But I don't see the same QB I saw in 2009--one that led an offense with raw and inexperienced WRs and a fading, injured OL and injured limping RBs to a pretty damn good season. The offense didn't lead to 8 wins in 09. The defense did.
I saw a QB in 2010 with better WRs but WRs that still were a bit raw and inconsistent, throw for over 30 TDs and close to 5000 yards...despite the turnovers that offense was good enough to win a division with. Despite the choke job down the stretch, the O was good enough to win with. I saw a QB carry his team in 2011.
I don't see the same QB anymore. I see ELi taking sacks he didn't take in 2011. I see Eli holding the ball too long at times. I see a QB turning the ball over more than ever. In short, I see less of the good and all of the bad. Maybe the WRs are terrible..they definitely aren't as good as the units we have seen from 05-2012. But something is wrong with Eli. Maybe Eli fixes shit soon. I hope so. That's what my eyes tell me. If that's me being a pussy then oh well...that's how I feel.
relax dude. Your're getting way too worked up over my opinion here. No one defends the guy more than I have but i'm sorry, the guy doesn't look like the same player to me. I'm not saying there aren't mitigating factors that COULD be at work here...but something is most definitely wrong when we are taking yesterday's play as a positive. The guy was a TD and yardage machine for 8 years. Not we are happy with a 270 yard performance against an average defense.
Relax. I wasn't trying to shit on your favorite player just to troll. I am as frustrated as you are. I just don't like what I see from Eli since November 2012. In my eyes, something is wrong. But I won't sit here and say that Eli didn't play better yesterday. HE did. But he has a long way to go. That D was short handed. Play well next week. Then the week after. Please.
relax dude. Your're getting way too worked up over my opinion here. No one defends the guy more than I have but i'm sorry, the guy doesn't look like the same player to me. I'm not saying there aren't mitigating factors that COULD be at work here...but something is most definitely wrong when we are taking yesterday's play as a positive. The guy was a TD and yardage machine for 8 years. Not we are happy with a 270 yard performance against an average defense.
Relax. I wasn't trying to shit on your favorite player just to troll. I am as frustrated as you are. I just don't like what I see from Eli since November 2012. In my eyes, something is wrong. But I won't sit here and say that Eli didn't play better yesterday. HE did. But he has a long way to go. That D was short handed. Play well next week. Then the week after. Please.
Listen, I dont get worked up. I am more comatosed than anything from all the meds I took from being sick. The point I am trying to make it is when Eli sucks, I can admit and have no problems with the threads. But I cant see it from yesterday. I thought he looked like the old Eli. Fit some throws in some tight windows, made good decisions (the first INT probably could have been better). I saw no running game and no WRs making plays.
So if we are too bitch about someones performances, Eli's would be far from the top. Detroit performance I didnt think he was all that great. But yesterday was not one of those days.
that Eli needs to play better to reach the level of play we grew accustomed to seeing from 2007-2011. Yesterday may be a start...I need to see a lot more.
we would just like to say that Eli carried the team to victory. That he overcame the team's shortcomings and lifted this team to heights no one expected them to reach.
It's been a long 26 games. When offenses sink to the depths we have seen here for such a long time, EVERYONE gets some blame. IF you have a great QB in the fold, the offense doesn't typically sink to historic suck ass levels. I'm sorry if that bothers some of you but it's the truth.
ONe week at a time. This week Eli didn't suck. That's progress. If anyone can lift this team it's him. NExt week is another test. it's time to win a fucking football game.
Sportscasters looking at stats and not watching the game and make ill-advised comments. Next on the 11 o;clock news.
I don't think they had a choice. You have to stay balanced. If you put Arizona in a position where they could just pin their ears back Eli would've gotten battered.
We need speed and the only one on the roster that can bring it on the outside is Beckham. Lets be careful with him but if he can be back for week 5 or 6 it should help, rookie or not.
He plays well on special teams.
The runs put them in third and manageable situations. Which they actually converted.
I thought this as well. Once they were down to Herzlich, why didn't they go 3 safeties? Couldn't be worse than what they were running out there a LB.
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This stuff about balance is utter nonsense. Eli got hit twice in 36 attempts today. They weren't even getting close enough to breathe on him. The Giants would have been better served on half those runs just throwing the ball deep down the field hoping somebody makes a catch or the defense gets a PI call because the runs were nothing more useful than an incompletion!
The runs put them in third and manageable situations. Which they actually converted.
I dont think that was true in the 2nd half. Seems like when they ran on 1st and 2nd down it resulted in 3rd and long.
The other reason? If Eli has to drop back 50 times a game, he'll never survive the season.
The first drop right before the punt return, it would have been a huge gain. Cruz's defender jumped the route and missed. He would have had a huge chunk down the sideline with only one defender on the sideline running with a different WR. I cant say about pursuit though. It would have definitely put us close to FG range though.
Bottom line is they had the lead doing what they were doing and looked as good offensively as we had seen them all calendar year.
They should have abandoned it in the 4th when it was 14-13. Those two runs up the middle by Williams were just mind numbling awful. Eli was hot all game. Two bad runs, a drop, punt return, fumble, game over.
Eli had 1 chance with the lead, that cant happen.
This is football 101 stuff. You have to make them respect the run. It's easy to armchair this and look at yards per play pass vs run, but you completely discount that the pass is opened up because the Giants showed commitment to the ground game. The Cardinals were not going to drop 7 or 8 with the Giants constantly probing.
I also worry that the whole debate (no between you and I but on the Giants if it exists) is that it represents something of a schizoid element on the Giants. The Giants brought in a new OC to introduce an uptempo, spread offense that plays fast and it just seems to be a contradiction in purposes to say we want to establish a physical identity. Its hard enough to do one, but to try and do both at the same time.
That also raises the question as to who is calling the shots of offense. When McAdoo arrived the buzz was that it was going to be his offense; indeed, the Giants switched to his terminology which is very unusual when bringing in a new OC to a team whose head coach is the de facto OC. Then Coughlin said unequivicably when asked who had the final say on the scheme and play calling that it would be McAdoo. (Surprised that no one asked him the obvious follow-up question what TC would be doing.) There were of course some follow up interviews that the new offense would be a blend of the old and new (which was preposterous on the face of it, because TC's old base offense and the WCO are so almost diameterically opposed).
Then at half time of the Lions game Coughlin told the cupcake interviewer at half time that the Giants wanted to establish the in the 2nd half to set up some play action, which of course was one of the basic tenets of his old offense. The philosophy of a WCO is that you spread the defense with the pass to set up the run.
Totally agree. Should have thrown five to ten times more, especially if the pass were short yardage. And except for the play to Randle, we never tried anything deep. There is no speed on the edges, and everybody knows it.
We averaged 10 yards per completion which is another reason why we couldnt run.
I don't understand the sportscasters, experts, refs, rules or anything apparently anymore.
At least the Giants are always drafting the BAP although their recent draft history says otherwise.
Thanks Colin for saying what others are afraid to say. There are times it feels like the SB wins were a total fluke.
Thanks Colin for saying what others are afraid to say. There are times it feels like the SB wins were a total fluke.
Not as flukie if you consider Plax shooting himself which derailed the great 2008 team and the miracle in thr meadowlands II cost them the #2 seed and they missed the playoffs.
One may say that Eli played well enough for the Giants to win today. I say he didn't. Here is why...
If you look at his game today, there was nothing spectacular at all. We just did not get "bad Eli" today.
Unfortunately, we need much more than that. We have an offense with very little talent. So, we need our QB to play like an all pro so he can elevate the play of the rest of the offense. Pedestrian performances coupled with this shitty O line and sub par skill position players gets you about 14 points.
Then, when you consider that he is getting paid $20mm which is 1/6 of our salary cap... yeah we need A LOT more than what he delivered today.
There are QBs out there putting up the same numbers or better that make millions less. Those dollars could be spent in other areas to solidify this team. OR... Eli can start playing like a $20mm QB rather than a QB who played well before the iPhone 5.
My DUD has to go to Fewell. We have a secondary that Carl banks says is loaded with talent. Ok fine. If that is true, then why do they look like they dont know WFT they are doing out there? Why do we have guys wide open every game? Busted plays every game. Do these players suddenly forget how to play? Do they lack the physical skills as soon as the put on a blue uniform? OR..are the schemes and/or communication just all screwed up?
Finally why does Quinn still have a job? Naked pics of Coughlin somewhere?
and your going to bed early,no tv either
Re the Super Bowls there was absolutely nothing flukie about either. I think however you can make a pretty good case that the Giants won in 2011 as much in spite of TC's very very conservative game plans rather than because of any particular coaching brilliance on his part. Even in the SB game itself the Giants had a major edge tactical advantage in that the Patriots didn't have a CB on the roster who could stay with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, but because the Giants ran out of a two-wide formation on something like 40 of the 60 plays they ran thru the first three-quarters, NE was able to double on Nicks and Cruz while Manningham twiddled his thumbs on the sideline.
when #31 missed him and the whole coverage team kinda frozen. it gave me a flashback of Deshawn Jackson in 2010
Re the Super Bowls there was absolutely nothing flukie about either. I think however you can make a pretty good case that the Giants won in 2011 as much in spite of TC's very very conservative game plans rather than because of any particular coaching brilliance on his part. Even in the SB game itself the Giants had a major edge tactical advantage in that the Patriots didn't have a CB on the roster who could stay with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, but because the Giants ran out of a two-wide formation on something like 40 of the 60 plays they ran thru the first three-quarters, NE was able to double on Nicks and Cruz while Manningham twiddled his thumbs on the sideline.
Coughlin gets way too much credit for those SB wins and a major pass from loyalists who don't hold him responsible for the mental errors his teams make.
I'm disappointed that the Giants have settled for Peyton Hillis as their premier running back. Now in his seventh season, the Giants are his fourth team and his average yards per carry is 4.1. For the preceding three years, 2011-2013, his yards per carry is only 3.5.
Running backs are no longer the big ticket item they once were and we should be able to do better. Get at least one back who is an outside threat.
Randle woke up a bit; Jernigan is a waste. What I want to know- where is 6'4" Corey Washington ?
What we all know is that Eli throws a high ball (always has). Seems like Cruz' catches are miraculous. It's hard & unfair to expect him to catch all those ball all the time, and call him a bum when he doesn't make them.
We're all waiting for the speedy Beckham to be the answer, but to me, at his best looks to me like another Cruz. We need a big man to go get those those catches.
Running the ball helps the passing game.
McAdoo called a good game, and the new offense looked to be working for the first time and other than the drops would have been even more impressive.
Failing to stop on 3rd and long, turn overs, taking some poorly timed penalties, and poor special team play is the reasons for the loss.
The offense played well enough to overcome some of those things and maybe still win, but not all of them.
If the Giants hadn't traded their seventh-round pick for Jon Beason, maybe Henderson would have been a consideration at #225. I doubt it, considering the Will Hill situation and the organization's "Character Initiative".
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I feel like this loss falls squarely on player execution. Dumb fumbles, dropped balls.
If the Giants hadn't traded their seventh-round pick for Jon Beason, maybe Henderson would have been a consideration at #225. I doubt it, considering the Will Hill situation and the organization's "Character Initiative".
This. I would have been fine taking Henderson in the sixth or fifth, but my guess is he wasn't even on the Giants' board. Or that of many other teams. He was an underachieving pothead in college, who then quit at his pro day IIRC. The Giants were still dealing with Will Hill, and had just gotten rid of Austin. Three years ago they might have taken a chance on Henderson. Not now. And however well Henderson plays, I won't criticize Reese for not doing so. Same for Burfict.
Running the football tires out the DL. It's a necessity.
Regardless, the Cardinals played a game which was 10am their time with a backup QB and flew cross country during a short week. The Giants still couldn't figure it out.
I'm disappointed that the Giants have settled for Peyton Hillis as their premier running back.
Premier running back?! Seriously? Does "premier" mean third string who hasn't touched the ball yet this season(unless I missed something)?
Marijuana use and off-field concerns, which are covered in full in this SBNation.com timeline, caused him to slide considerably - and that was before he then failed the Combine drug test.
He therefore is a huge character risk - but then, it's a seventh-round pick, and the Bills, who are quickly becoming known as an organization quick to hand out second chances, get a worthwhile developmental prospect late in the draft. His talent really is enormous.
Henderson’s off-field issues have included multiple failed drug tests in college and another failed drug test at the NFL Combine, plus a failure to complete his Pro Day workout. Bills coach Doug Marrone says the team knows what it’s getting with Henderson and will send him packing if he’s unable or unwilling to do everything the team asks of him.
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Miami OT Seantrel Henderson didn't help himself today - "quit" his Pro Day workout halfway through it. No explanation yet. Disappointing.
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Henderson's camp has responded. Agent David Levine told the Miami Herald that Henderson "did not quit" the workout but rather that dehydration was the reason he could not finish. Levine said that Henderson met with New York Giants GM Jerry Reese after the workout and also met with the offensive line coaches of the Bengals, Seahawks and Jets as well.v
The other reason? If Eli has to drop back 50 times a game, he'll never survive the season.
BINGO!!
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I'm disappointed that the Giants have settled for Peyton Hillis as their premier running back.
Premier running back?! Seriously? Does "premier" mean third string who hasn't touched the ball yet this season(unless I missed something)?
My mistake. I meant Jennings. His yards/carry is 4.2.
2) Maybe, just maybe, Reese and the coahces know something about DT and TE. Both are positions people have moaned about here when we lose a guy via FA. Both are positions where they have either drafted a guy or signed a guy under the radar and exceeded expectations. Hankins and Donnell are the latest in this line. At TE, Myers is really the only dud we've had from a list of guys since Shockey that nobody wanted to draft or sign.
Tony Baselli - BEAST OT 2nd overall in the '95 draft.
Reese would have taken Westbrook :-)
Eli isn't necessarily the problem but he sure as fuck isn't helping this team win games.
The reason the Giants lost was 3 consecutive plays. first, Eli puts a ball in Cruz' hands on 3rd down, which the WR dropped. This throw, contrary to what most here are saying, was not perfect. So, if you want to put a small percentage on Eli fine. But, it was in Cruz' hands and he didn't hold it. The ensuing punt gets returned for a TD because a ST player brought here more for his ST play than his DB play couldn't tackle a struggling PR who he had wrapped up. The ensuing kickoff was fumbled, leading to another Cardinals score.
That sequence is where the game was lost. After that sequence, Cruz had more drops, as did Randle on a key play. And a sure handed RB fumbled a ball on a play where he was never touched by a defender. These plays sealed the loss. I fail to see where Eli is responsible for any of this. He was more of a reaosn why we were in the game, took the lead in the game, and seemed to be mounting another 4th quarter comeback.
Eli isn't necessarily the problem but he sure as fuck isn't helping this team win games.
Are we really going to act like an INT on a hail mary with 10 seconds left means any?
Five dropped passes yesterday.
26/39 277 2 TD 1 INT. How is that anything but good?
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
How is he supposed to score points when receivers are dropping passes left and right. Cruz can't can't a bomb down the sideline or a 7 yard first down. He had them marching down the field until Jennings gave the game away.
the backs are running for 2.3 yard a rush, but magically there should be 30 points up there just because.
I hate this fuxking team right now. Eli included. Sick of defending their play... Thanks for 07-11 but we suck now and probably will all year.
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
But baby steps, man. With this team, more like ant steps. The offense can't score more than 14 points, nevermind 30. The defense can't create one single TO against a TO happy team like Detroit and a backup QB who hasn't played in 4 years, and on the road, nonetheless. In short, this team is brutal.
14 points. At home. Everyone is culpable. Eli included. A great QB carries his team once or twice over a 26 game period. Eli has not. You can win with Eli I know that.. But he's not the difference maker from bad to good right now. I think that's clear to see.
Stop defending anyone here. They are all guilty.
Or go ahead and blame the OL. That's fashionable around here. How naby times was Eli hit yesterday? Twice ?
Outside of a few guys, the alpha players on this team, the guys paid to win and lead this team are sucking balls. Period. There's time to save the season. Go out there and do it or the coach will be fired and we start over again in 2015.
Eli moves the team back down to AZ 20 and Jennings fumbles. Eli gets ball back again and throws good deep pass to Randle who drops it.
The QB put his team in position to win and make plays and they failed
I give up with this team. It's done. Our best player on offense turns the ball over at an historic rate game after game after season after season.
Eli was not good yesterday. You're just comparing his play to the dreadful performances he put up last week and last year.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
Ahhhh.... venom filled tirade at the QB, who was our best player on the field yesterday. And not a single mention of our overpaid #1 WR, inconsistent #2, lack of a #3, and no run game to speak of.
I love the line how a QB is suppose to make everyone around him better. Well the goal for this week is for not only Eli to throw it, but to run after the pass, catch it, and place it in the hands of our WRs so they can make plays.
Giants fans are truly pathetic.
I put this loss on a number of players before I even remotely consider Eli as a possible reason. This list includes Bowman, Demps, Jennings, the defense as a whole for not getting the critical stops, and I'd even throw in Quinn too. I'm sure there are others as well.
As for the defense, I was pleased with the pass rush showing up. And, our blitzes were getting pressure consistently for the first time in G-d knows how long. But, the D got shredded on the ground, can't get critical stops, continually gets burned on 3rd and long with WIDE OPEN receivers, anhd can't generate any fucking turnovers. That is a more consistently bad scapegoat than Eli, in my opinion.
Eli has not been very good lately. Just stop with the defensive agenda for one second and ask yourself how far this offense has fallen that we are "happy"'that our QB only turned it over once. There are always mitigating factors with the offense. I'm done with it. Eli is not helping anything anymore. He has pretty good games and bad games. No more great games I guess? Those days are over?
How's Eli gonna do against a great defense on the road? How's he gonna do when JJ watt is on his shit? Throw for 196 and 2 ints?
The entire offense is struggling. Eli is not necessarily the problem but he's not exactly the solution lately is he. Don't over analyze it.
I don't care what is wrong with this offense. My eyes tell me that Eli is not the same player he was from 2007-2011. He's not as adept at sliding in the pocket and avoiding the rush and he's not as deadly downfield, lack of Wrs not withstanding. Eli may get hot again. Yesterday was a start but we need more than just baby step progress here.
And if just love one error free game from Eli. That would be nice.
One of Cruz's 'drop' was a difficult catch. but there were a couple of killer, right in the bread basket, drops for which there is no excuse. To be fair, he did make at least one or two stellar catches that no one (except the unwashed masses of BBI) would blame him for missing.
And when a starting WR gets 39 yards receiving, it's hard to peg that as a stud performance.
Eli has not been very good lately. Just stop with the defensive agenda for one second and ask yourself how far this offense has fallen that we are "happy"'that our QB only turned it over once. There are always mitigating factors with the offense. I'm done with it. Eli is not helping anything anymore. He has pretty good games and bad games. No more great games I guess? Those days are over?
How's Eli gonna do against a great defense on the road? How's he gonna do when JJ watt is on his shit? Throw for 196 and 2 ints?
The entire offense is struggling. Eli is not necessarily the problem but he's not exactly the solution lately is he. Don't over analyze it.
Well when you have a pussy filled tirade over the best player on the field. you come off a whiny bitch. No one said Eli was perfect. But at one point he was 25-35 with 5 drops mixed in.... and 3 of those drops could have resulted in 30-40 yard pass plays. To me if I am going to cry like a bitch.... I would put the blame on Cruz and Randle for dropping huge pass plays which may have given us the victory.
Or maybe bitch about the running game that averaged 3 yards per carry. But carry on. I dont care what you have done in the past or supported because I could give two flying shits. This little tirade of yours makes you no better than the rest of the trolls who prove they know little of the game.
Its a shame that after Cruz shit the bed, Randle had another mistake, we got 0 running game, the STs sucked ass..... the majority of he blame still goes to Eli. This fan base is becoming wore than Dallas/Philly.
Except sometimes Eli does make too many mistakes. Sometimes he throws too many INTs. Actually, he throws too many INTS every single game now. Only one yesterday. That's his best game in two years. Bravo.
I love the guy...more than most. And I have made peace with the fact that Eli is one of the most mistake prone, oddities at QB the NFL has ever seen. He's the single biggest reason why this team won two rings in 07-11 and he's also one of the reasons why this offense the most mistake prone units going. Just accept it and you'l be better off. Eli is awesome. But he's also fucking terrible sometimes. Yesterday he wasn't terrible. HE was solid and got hot for a few minutes...that's a start. Hopefully he doesn't play like dog shit next week against a very good D. I have faith he will play well...but i'm not blind or stupid enough to say that ELi has turned the corner.
Except sometimes Eli does make too many mistakes. Sometimes he throws too many INTs. Actually, he throws too many INTS every single game now. Only one yesterday. That's his best game in two years. Bravo.
I love the guy...more than most. And I have made peace with the fact that Eli is one of the most mistake prone, oddities at QB the NFL has ever seen. He's the single biggest reason why this team won two rings in 07-11 and he's also one of the reasons why this offense the most mistake prone units going. Just accept it and you'l be better off. Eli is awesome. But he's also fucking terrible sometimes. Yesterday he wasn't terrible. HE was solid and got hot for a few minutes...that's a start. Hopefully he doesn't play like dog shit next week against a very good D. I have faith he will play well...but i'm not blind or stupid enough to say that ELi has turned the corner.
Boy I dont know what happened to you, but you turned into a f'n bitch. But way to back up your analysis with game information and data cause you sound so smart right now.
I hope with 2:00 left to go in every game Eli is 25-35 with 2 TDs, and 5 of those incompletions were drops. If thats the case, our offense will be fine. But I am sure experts like you will moan and bitch about those 10 incompletions.
But hey man, the rest of the team.... they almost overcame Eli's poor performance. Just amazing out of the 53 guys dressed... Eli was about problem 48-49 on the team. He played great yesterday. If the run game and WRs showed up, it would have been an easy win. But lets concentrate more on how Eli is just average. He didnt make a single player around him better.
Win some fucking games and score 30 points once in blue moon. That would be nice.
Fucking Eli. He couldnt fuckign run the ball at all yesterday, and look at those fucking drops. You think Eli would catch some of them and show the WRs how its done. What the fuck man.
I don't see the same Eli anymore. I see a guy that still works harder than anyone. Still has the arm strength and still has the desire to win. But I don't see the same QB I saw in 2009--one that led an offense with raw and inexperienced WRs and a fading, injured OL and injured limping RBs to a pretty damn good season. The offense didn't lead to 8 wins in 09. The defense did.
I saw a QB in 2010 with better WRs but WRs that still were a bit raw and inconsistent, throw for over 30 TDs and close to 5000 yards...despite the turnovers that offense was good enough to win a division with. Despite the choke job down the stretch, the O was good enough to win with. I saw a QB carry his team in 2011.
I don't see the same QB anymore. I see ELi taking sacks he didn't take in 2011. I see Eli holding the ball too long at times. I see a QB turning the ball over more than ever. In short, I see less of the good and all of the bad. Maybe the WRs are terrible..they definitely aren't as good as the units we have seen from 05-2012. But something is wrong with Eli. Maybe Eli fixes shit soon. I hope so. That's what my eyes tell me. If that's me being a pussy then oh well...that's how I feel.
Relax. I wasn't trying to shit on your favorite player just to troll. I am as frustrated as you are. I just don't like what I see from Eli since November 2012. In my eyes, something is wrong. But I won't sit here and say that Eli didn't play better yesterday. HE did. But he has a long way to go. That D was short handed. Play well next week. Then the week after. Please.
Relax. I wasn't trying to shit on your favorite player just to troll. I am as frustrated as you are. I just don't like what I see from Eli since November 2012. In my eyes, something is wrong. But I won't sit here and say that Eli didn't play better yesterday. HE did. But he has a long way to go. That D was short handed. Play well next week. Then the week after. Please.
Listen, I dont get worked up. I am more comatosed than anything from all the meds I took from being sick. The point I am trying to make it is when Eli sucks, I can admit and have no problems with the threads. But I cant see it from yesterday. I thought he looked like the old Eli. Fit some throws in some tight windows, made good decisions (the first INT probably could have been better). I saw no running game and no WRs making plays.
So if we are too bitch about someones performances, Eli's would be far from the top. Detroit performance I didnt think he was all that great. But yesterday was not one of those days.
The interception off of the defender's shoulder pad hurt, but it wasn't nearly as devastation as the Demps fumble and the Jennings fumble.
I can't imagine that anyone who is blaming Eli for this loss was actually paying attention when the game was on.
It's been a long 26 games. When offenses sink to the depths we have seen here for such a long time, EVERYONE gets some blame. IF you have a great QB in the fold, the offense doesn't typically sink to historic suck ass levels. I'm sorry if that bothers some of you but it's the truth.
ONe week at a time. This week Eli didn't suck. That's progress. If anyone can lift this team it's him. NExt week is another test. it's time to win a fucking football game.