Am I angry about the game today? Yes.
I was one of those this preseason who was beginning to have some legitimate concerns about Eli. I didn't think he was "finished" and didn't think it was quite Nassib time but I thought it was possible that he was losing a few MPH off his fastball and thought his mechanics were all messed up.
That said, I thought Eli was really good today. He'd probably like to have the INT back and shouldn't have forced that throw and Cruz didn't help him by dropping a key pass late in the game but he was really on the money for the most part and I thought he looked so much more comfortable in this offense than what we had seen so far.
I think this game was actually a good sign going forward because I'm starting to think that the offense may not be quite as putrid as last year and the rumors of Eli's demise may have been premature. I thought the OL actually did a good job of giving him time to throw the ball. We could really use Beckham and there are still things I'd like to see improve, but to me, this was the sharpest Eli has looked in some time and it was kind of exciting to start to feel like he was going to make plays when he had the football again.
This team is so goddamn frustrating in so many ways but I feel pretty confident in saying that #10 still has some good ball left in him. If we can stop beating ourselves and stop with the special teams breakdowns, we'll have a less miserable year than last year.
We have to win the next 2 games. I don't know if we will but I'm not quite ready to write this year off yet. Hope IND beats the Eagles tomorrow night and we're just a game behind everyone. The offense should hopefully keep getting better. We'll see.
This. Eli showed what he can do with a clean pocket. And certainly the drops aren't his fault. But the first INT looked like it was. Eli is totally immobile, is 33, and is owed $17M next year. We either have to extend him or cut him. Should be an interesting offseason.
Today reminded you what he can do when he actually gets pass protection. He needs receivers.
We just have to stop killing ourselves. This team isn't good enough to overcome ST breakdowns and turnovers. The PR TD and Demps fumble were fucking killer.
That's why this is so fucking frustrating. I will say though, I'm more confident going into next week than I was going into this week.
No room for error now. Next week is pretty much a must win.
No question he is plagued by a rotten OL, and inadequate receivers, but he is 33, immobile, has had accuracy problems, and threw 27 INTs last year. He has now thrown 100 INTs in the last five years IIRC. That is a shitload, even acknowledging that Gilbride's system put a real premium on a downfield passing game. I like what he did today, but his deficiencies are real.
We just have to stop killing ourselves. This team isn't good enough to overcome ST breakdowns and turnovers. The PR TD and Demps fumble were fucking killer.
I agree. After seeing Eli at the practice I took the family to during camp I was for the first time ever concerned he had something wrong with him. Today he looked very good. I just don't think it will continue due to the line he has in front of him. Hope I'm wrong
Guy even tucked it and ran for four or five today too. Now he will win no speed races and will never look to run first, as he is a pocket QB, but he is not a statue.
Also for good measure Eli has a rushing TD on another continent, Miami in '07.
Would it/could of made a difference is very hard to tell, but it was not a case of Eli just dumping a ball of under pressure
Donnell - 2 games, 12 catches 11.4 ypc. It is early, and his blocking can be suspect, but he is open and if remains so will need to be accounted for
I wait too long for the NFL season to just throw in the towel and expect a top 5 pick at this point, I'll be rooting hard next week.
ST's were really the main reason we lost.
ST's were really the main reason we lost.
STs problems dont happen with Cruz's drop, and Jennings fumble. You cant have 5-6 drops and a fumble where no one hits you.
Which, to me, confirmed that if the guys around him are capable of doing their jobs consistently, Eli's style of play will still be effective. I'm not worried about his ability to do the things we've come to expect of him over the years. I am worried that by the time we get the guys he needs to do the job right, he won't be able to do those things as well anymore. Could be a few years.
My biggest concern is his health. Lordy, keep him upright and on NYG.
But, the defense.... Come on.... What the hell was that out there today? And what's up with Specials? And why do we keep asking these questions year after year?
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The 3rd down conversions were very, very frustrating.. but they got to Stanton quite a bit, they got pressure. There were some awful calls against them. They didn't give up many points all things considered. Ginn ran one back on us and the Demps fumble gave them the ball right in our territory and we held them to a FG.
ST's were really the main reason we lost.
STs problems dont happen with Cruz's drop, and Jennings fumble. You cant have 5-6 drops and a fumble where no one hits you.
I agree. The Cruz drop and Jennings fumble were both awful. Nothing worse than leaving plays and points on the field.
we can't have him throwing the ball up for grabs like he is or we will go nowhere.
This is not the run and shoot anymore, the Giants have to be smart with the football...
Eli looked really good today, outside of the first INT (which even if a bad throw was still fluke-y, as he's seemingly cornered the market on bad bounces). I'm not sure what it means for this team this season, as I don't think he can save them, but, assuming he physically survives this year, it hopefully bodes well for him at least going forward, wherever that will be for him.
we can't have him throwing the ball up for grabs like he is or we will go nowhere.
This is not the run and shoot anymore, the Giants have to be smart with the football...
The only time he really threw the ball up for grabs today was when there was like 20 seconds left in the game and he was stupidly trying for a miracle instead of waving the white flag.
No question he is plagued by a rotten OL, and inadequate receivers, but he is 33, immobile, has had accuracy problems, and threw 27 INTs last year. He has now thrown 100 INTs in the last five years IIRC. That is a shitload, even acknowledging that Gilbride's system put a real premium on a downfield passing game. I like what he did today, but his deficiencies are real.
What's a fair number for a quarterback? 17m may sound like a lot to you, but what number do you have in mind? They're not going to get away with paying him 12 just because.
Tom Brady took a much publicized pay cut to $14. I'm sure Eli's a team guy, but his agent isn't going to accept WR or DE pay grades.
Take a sack, throw the ball away or try to make a throw and Eli will mostly try to make a throw and those results have been very bad during Eli's Career.
The second drive for the Giants Eli coughed up the ball but was bailed out by a penalty. That would have been 2 turnovers for Eli on the first 2 drives. The 3rd drive Eli was good and seems to be most comfortable in the no huddle as he has been throughout his career but that doesnt wipe out his first 2 drives.
Why we dont play more no huddle is beyond me, Eli has always thrived in that type of offense.
The rest of the game Eli was OK but nothing special. Cruz really hurt him but I dont think the Randle play at the end was Randles fault, it was a really tough catch with a defender on him. I guess the game was progress but until Eli has a game without a costly boneheaded play I wont be impressed. I would grade him out as a C maybe a C+ not counting the 2nd INT which was and end game toss up. But I would think we would expect better and need better.
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is way too much. Either extend him or cut him. I am certainly not saying what we should after today, but we can't pay him $17M next year.
No question he is plagued by a rotten OL, and inadequate receivers, but he is 33, immobile, has had accuracy problems, and threw 27 INTs last year. He has now thrown 100 INTs in the last five years IIRC. That is a shitload, even acknowledging that Gilbride's system put a real premium on a downfield passing game. I like what he did today, but his deficiencies are real.
What's a fair number for a quarterback? 17m may sound like a lot to you, but what number do you have in mind? They're not going to get away with paying him 12 just because.
Tom Brady took a much publicized pay cut to $14. I'm sure Eli's a team guy, but his agent isn't going to accept WR or DE pay grades.
Fair question, and my answer is that I don't have a number in mind, but it isn't $17M. No way. I have said from the beginning that Eli is hamstrung by a poor OL, and few viable receiving targets. And that makes it difficult to assess his performance.
But 27 INTs, and 100 in the last five years is too much. He had a bad INT against Detroit, and was also off target on a number of throws. The same problems existed today. Bad INT, and Donnell really had to reach for some of his passes. He is also immobile, and 33. Giving him tons of money also ties up a lot of our cap.
Now, if Cruz had been there it may or may not have made a difference, but it was not a case of Eli being careless
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is way too much. Either extend him or cut him. I am certainly not saying what we should after today, but we can't pay him $17M next year.
No question he is plagued by a rotten OL, and inadequate receivers, but he is 33, immobile, has had accuracy problems, and threw 27 INTs last year. He has now thrown 100 INTs in the last five years IIRC. That is a shitload, even acknowledging that Gilbride's system put a real premium on a downfield passing game. I like what he did today, but his deficiencies are real.
What's a fair number for a quarterback? 17m may sound like a lot to you, but what number do you have in mind? They're not going to get away with paying him 12 just because.
Tom Brady took a much publicized pay cut to $14. I'm sure Eli's a team guy, but his agent isn't going to accept WR or DE pay grades.
Fair question, and my answer is that I don't have a number in mind, but it isn't $17M. No way. I have said from the beginning that Eli is hamstrung by a poor OL, and few viable receiving targets. And that makes it difficult to assess his performance.
But 27 INTs, and 100 in the last five years is too much. He had a bad INT against Detroit, and was also off target on a number of throws. The same problems existed today. Bad INT, and Donnell really had to reach for some of his passes. He is also immobile, and 33. Giving him tons of money also ties up a lot of our cap.
One of the worst posts of the day, and that says something being that we have a lot of shitty posters here. You're saying that since Donnell had to jump to catch passes that they were bad passes? There is so much stupid I dont even know what to say.
Meanwhile, someone on the opposing team will contort themselves into making some amazing one handed grab and we'll all complain about the Giants' defense giving it up, as though it was some gimme (I'm not excluding myself from that either, hence the "we").
Guy even tucked it and ran for four or five today too. Now he will win no speed races and will never look to run first, as he is a pocket QB, but he is not a statue.
Also for good measure Eli has a rushing TD on another continent, Miami in '07.
People with no injury histories like to pretend that once some minimum arbitrary window passes where some beat reporter said a medical source reported that so and so should be ready to return to poractice, fans act like they expect the guy to be starting next week, number one, and number two fans like to pretend that these injuries go away and these athletes don't feel lingering effect to one degree or another most often for the rest of their lives, and athletes are expected to get interviewed and come out and spout some bullshit how they are all healed and it doesn't bother them anymore and blah blah blah reassurances phony horseshit.you thing eli dont feel it in the bottom of his foot from time to time from that fascitis is nonsense.
didnt he dislocate a shoulder?you think that never acts up? you dont think every once it a blue moon on a cloudy damp day that shit doesn't sometimes swell just a bit? you guys have very little understanding for the pain that these guys deal with.
But, on a good day, Eli can be fairly mobile. They really just don't want him doing it.It's bad business as far as the giants are concerned. I don't think NY would ever draft a Vick or a McNabb or a Cunningham or an RGIII even if they could.
Now, if Cruz had been there it may or may not have made a difference, but it was not a case of Eli being careless
Wouldnt have mattered if Cruz fell down or not, he hit the defender in the head with the ball and it was tipped up for grabs.
It will be an interesting season, I hope I don't have to puke on my shoes.
It will be an interesting season, I hope I don't have to puke on my shoes.
Inconsistent Eli or not, he demonstrated he can still do it.His WRs next week will realize they dont have his inconsistency as a cover, and will be forced to clean their own houses this week a bit. They will win next week.
If not for 4 turnovers and a punt return for a TD we would have won today. and frankly i think we could have overcome all the other fuckups except Ted Ginns wild ride and Jennings bonehead spill.those 2 blows we couldn't handle, but I think we would have bounced back from the rest of the shit.
AMEN!