hit off a defenders shoulder pad at the line of scrimmage and looped right into the DB's hands. Was probably a bit ill-advised or a poor throw as the angle wasn't there but it's just one of those things.
The second was just a usual garbage time desperation throw which should never have been made.
Eli played much better Sunday than he has all season and that was great to see. But "the first one was tipped"? Come on. Eli bounced the ball off a defensive lineman who was being well blocked at the time. That's not a tipped ball. It's a poorly thrown ball.
Second one, showed you, the heart of Eli. He could've handed the ball off, and ended the game. But he kept fighting, until the game was over. It also showed me, he don't give a fuck about stats(sorta speak), he just wants to win.
Eli played much better Sunday than he has all season and that was great to see. But "the first one was tipped"? Come on. Eli bounced the ball off a defensive lineman who was being well blocked at the time. That's not a tipped ball. It's a poorly thrown ball.
Actually, it was a blitz coming. And he tried to hurry up and get it to Cruz(who wasn't looking). The ball did hit off a d lineman. But, you make it seem like, Eli purposely did that shit. That was a good ass defensive call. And Eli tried to, beat the blitz.
The int was not just Eli throwing a bad pass. The blitz was coming and he threw a low pass. The issue was the WR who was Cruz stumbled coming off his cut and was not in any position. Eli is throwing to a spot he is expecting a WR to be
In order to have success on offense there has to be trust between Eli and his receivers. That won't change in any offense. Cruz tripped over a teammates feet, stumbled, the blitz was coming, Eli threw it off he back foot, hit the shoulder pad of a d linemen, bounced in the air, defender made a great play. A lot went wrong, hence the interception. Not all on Eli, but he is the QB.
and he does not earn the respect of "unlucky on tipped balls". He hit someone's helmet/pad. Terrible throw. You deserve all the consequences after such a bad throw.
I'm glad he was trying to avoid the blitz, because a blitz was coming. Part of his job is to avoid the blitz when it comes. Successfully avoiding a blitz does not include throwing the ball so poorly.
Second one, showed you, the heart of Eli. He could've handed the ball off, and ended the game. But he kept fighting, until the game was over. It also showed me, he don't give a fuck about stats(sorta speak), he just wants to win.
I do not understand why people find this so hard to grasp.
I wonder whats its like in the room on film review...
Second one, showed you, the heart of Eli. He could've handed the ball off, and ended the game. But he kept fighting, until the game was over. It also showed me, he don't give a fuck about stats(sorta speak), he just wants to win.
In the radio post-game, Carl Banks was all over Eli for this interception. His point was that this wasn't a Hail Mary into the endzone to try to win the game. It was a bad decision throw into double coverage that would do nothing to change the outcome of the game. Bank's point was that bad habits form when you do bad things. Protecting the football is a habit that has to be maintained and gets denigrated when you force throws into double coverage when even if the pass had been completed it wouldn't have made any difference. He says that's not fighting to the last second. It's developing bad habits.
it wasn't tipped, he didn't even get it over the line of scrimmage.....just a bad throw.....at a time when the offense was moving....now you can blame Cruz too, but even if he didn't trip the ball was not there....
The second one, Donnell wasn't even looking and he was double covered.....when you make mistakes like this even at in a game that is out of reach, you will tend to make those mistakes when the game is on the line.....bullshit he's still fighting to win the game....should have been fighting to win the game with a better pass on fourth down...
Yes, I think it was a frustration throw, based on only scoring 14 points.....but these mistakes, even in games that are over, have to end, if this offense is going to get any semblance of confidence and continuity.....this is an offense that tends to shoot itself in the foot....whether it be a non contact fumble, a dropped pass, a bad pass.....the mistakes have to be minimized or eliminated.....we have seen these throws for 10 years....and when the rest of the team is making mistakes, you have to hope your leader doesn't compound the issue.....
Did anyone see Peyton get in Thomas' face for running a wrong route? Ever see Brady? What do you see from Eli when guys don't catch the ball? Meh? Eli, I thought you turned the corner in 2011 when you stepped up to the plate, and said you were elite, and went out there and proved it.....It may not be your personna, but it's time for you to shit can the golly gee look and get on those receivers! Be a freakin' leader of the offense!
The offense took some positive steps this week.....let's hope it continues next week.....
I actually agree with Banks on this. I could feel the INT coming and even made a disheartened statement to my friends that Eli did not have to throw at that point. It was completely meaningless even if he completed the pass and it was Eli basically saying fuck it and throwing the ball to the other team. I question why he was even on the field at that point, as he even took a pretty good shot the play before on a sack. They were 2 scores down with less than a minute to go, just run out the clock and be done with it.
like by an inch. It glances off a shoulder pad. Would like to see it from his angle. The d-lineman could have elevated between when he starts to throw and the release. Not an excuse, but simply a reason.
The second one was with 12 seconds left down by more than a TD and he is just trying to make a play. Who cares.
I actually agree with Banks on this. I could feel the INT coming and even made a disheartened statement to my friends that Eli did not have to throw at that point. It was completely meaningless even if he completed the pass and it was Eli basically saying fuck it and throwing the ball to the other team. I question why he was even on the field at that point, as he even took a pretty good shot the play before on a sack. They were 2 scores down with less than a minute to go, just run out the clock and be done with it.
It's like, telling a boxer, there's 10 seconds left in the rd, so stop fighting. That's bullshit. A competitor, is going to keep fighting, until it's over. If that's the case, why even send the 1st unit out there, in the first place ?? And actually, Donnell fell on that play. Which made, the int, easier to take place.
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
Those trying to put any of the blame on Cruz clearly has an agenda. There was a blitz, Eli got skittish and threw a terrible pass that hit a defender in the helmet. Cruz was running a crossing pattern and wasn't going to be open for another second. He was looking at the 9 defensive players stading in his way. Had Eli have had more time, Cruz would have been opened when he cleared the middle of the field. That ball never should have gone to Cruz.
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
IMO It looked like the receiver may have stumbled a little on 1st one
it's hard to take you seriously when all you do is blame everyone else in an attempt to make Eli look better. That's your MO.
But those drops were on cruz. Two terrible drops. There was a 3rd that the broadcast crew tried putting on Cruz until the replay was shown. That pass was off his fingertips, but if you are going to talk a big game, demand big bucks, you better make the plays.
the TE, #84, missed his chip of the blitzer, and the WR, #80 slipped/tripped and therefore wasn't where he was supposed to be. Seeing these developments, #10 shoulda ate the ball but tried tomake the play
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
I still don't see what Cruz had to do with that INT. He threw it into the helmet or shoulder pad of a defensive player and the ball never reached where cruz should have been or where he was. Cruz was not open, he was standing in the middle of 7 defenders and wasn't going to be open until he cleared the middle of the field. There is no way that was the right throw and to blame Cruz at all is telling.
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
I still don't see what Cruz had to do with that INT. He threw it into the helmet or shoulder pad of a defensive player and the ball never reached where cruz should have been or where he was. Cruz was not open, he was standing in the middle of 7 defenders and wasn't going to be open until he cleared the middle of the field. There is no way that was the right throw and to blame Cruz at all is telling.
Even I dont blame Cruz for that INT. Although, him stumbling did look pretty bad. That INT was on Eli first then the blitz pickup. I would be curious to see if Eli did get time and Cruz cleared, how much room he may have had.
and I have defended him and a lot of his INTs over the last few years. But, the first INT yesterday was 100% on him. Yes, there was pressure. but the fucking throw hit a DL in the shoulder. That is simply unacceptable. it was also on a drive where they were moving the ball and likely to score, which could have changed the early face of the game dramatically.
The second was a throw away INT at the end of an unwinnable game. For me, the first is what slightly mars an otherwise exceptional effort by Manning.
Who is blaming Cruz? I am just trying to accurately describe the events of what happened in response to the OP's question and added the fact that it appeared he stumbled as well which I didn't see people mention. If a guy gets tripped up it is just one of those thing not a fault or blame thing.
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
You mean like watching the Giants game I watched Sunday where Eli threw a few balls to Cruz that were a little too high to catch. LOL! Cruz has good hands and it's funny that the announcers were crediting Cruz for how good he can catch just before the fingertip drops. If Eli brought those balls an inch lower I say Cruz would have caught them.
The last interception, though, I agree with Banks' comments. Eli just really shouldn't be throwing a sloppy pass like that. It's a micro samplling of how this offense plays over the last year.
I realize he doesn't care about stats/never gives up/etc. but you have to throw that away...forcing a 10 yard pass is useless at that point..........throw a screen and get off the field.
Who is blaming Cruz? I am just trying to accurately describe the events of what happened in response to the OP's question and added the fact that it appeared he stumbled as well which I didn't see people mention. If a guy gets tripped up it is just one of those thing not a fault or blame thing.
I guess not you, but plenty of people on this thread have put blame on Cruz.
The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
You mean like watching the Giants game I watched Sunday where Eli threw a few balls to Cruz that were a little too high to catch. LOL! Cruz has good hands and it's funny that the announcers were crediting Cruz for how good he can catch just before the fingertip drops. If Eli brought those balls an inch lower I say Cruz would have caught them.
Cruz has 5 drops in 2 games. I believe he led the NFL in drops in 2012 (someone else said it here). His hands can be questioned.
After playing media games and calling for the ball
I would rather have my QB try to make a play when the chips are down. Not many QBs do that and they are stat-conscious. Eli is always giving his guys a chance - even if his guys suck.
First INT was a bad play, however.
the proper decision by Eli on a blitz to Cruz as a hot read
I was wondering the same yesterday after Eli threw his first INT. I think he's had more games in his career with at least 1 INT than games with zero INTs. Sad, if true.
that the blame for the first INT is on anyone other than Eli. He did have pressure, but he was falling backwards and throwing the ball into a defender's back. It didn't even get over the line of scrimmage. It wouldn't have mattered if Cruz hadn't tripped or if he had grown 4 feet on the play and towered over everyone. It was a shitty pass and it was completely on Eli.
Eli played much better Sunday than he has all season and that was great to see. But "the first one was tipped"? Come on. Eli bounced the ball off a defensive lineman who was being well blocked at the time. That's not a tipped ball. It's a poorly thrown ball.
Eli threw a TERRIBLE pass for the first INT. With that being said, The Eli can do no wrong comment wasnt warranted for yesterdays game. Dude literally dropped 400 yards on 2 of the top corners in the game. Oh wait, we dropped 150 yards of them. Eli dominated that game, period. The team let him down. I cant say that for many of our recent losses, we can for yesterdays game.
The second one was with 10 secs left in the game with no chance of winning.
The second was just a usual garbage time desperation throw which should never have been made.
Actually, it was a blitz coming. And he tried to hurry up and get it to Cruz(who wasn't looking). The ball did hit off a d lineman. But, you make it seem like, Eli purposely did that shit. That was a good ass defensive call. And Eli tried to, beat the blitz.
I'm glad he was trying to avoid the blitz, because a blitz was coming. Part of his job is to avoid the blitz when it comes. Successfully avoiding a blitz does not include throwing the ball so poorly.
I do not understand why people find this so hard to grasp.
Eli: "A blitz was coming"
Coughlin: "Yes"
Eli "I was trying to avoid it"
Coughlin "OK. You were just unlucky"
Cruz is the hot read. Eli see blitz and throws based upon where Cruz should be. WR stumbles and is now out of play.
This is not a case of him just throwing a pass up for grabs
In the radio post-game, Carl Banks was all over Eli for this interception. His point was that this wasn't a Hail Mary into the endzone to try to win the game. It was a bad decision throw into double coverage that would do nothing to change the outcome of the game. Bank's point was that bad habits form when you do bad things. Protecting the football is a habit that has to be maintained and gets denigrated when you force throws into double coverage when even if the pass had been completed it wouldn't have made any difference. He says that's not fighting to the last second. It's developing bad habits.
The second one, Donnell wasn't even looking and he was double covered.....when you make mistakes like this even at in a game that is out of reach, you will tend to make those mistakes when the game is on the line.....bullshit he's still fighting to win the game....should have been fighting to win the game with a better pass on fourth down...
Yes, I think it was a frustration throw, based on only scoring 14 points.....but these mistakes, even in games that are over, have to end, if this offense is going to get any semblance of confidence and continuity.....this is an offense that tends to shoot itself in the foot....whether it be a non contact fumble, a dropped pass, a bad pass.....the mistakes have to be minimized or eliminated.....we have seen these throws for 10 years....and when the rest of the team is making mistakes, you have to hope your leader doesn't compound the issue.....
Did anyone see Peyton get in Thomas' face for running a wrong route? Ever see Brady? What do you see from Eli when guys don't catch the ball? Meh? Eli, I thought you turned the corner in 2011 when you stepped up to the plate, and said you were elite, and went out there and proved it.....It may not be your personna, but it's time for you to shit can the golly gee look and get on those receivers! Be a freakin' leader of the offense!
The offense took some positive steps this week.....let's hope it continues next week.....
If this team is 0-3, do you believe in miracles?
I actually agree with Banks on this. I could feel the INT coming and even made a disheartened statement to my friends that Eli did not have to throw at that point. It was completely meaningless even if he completed the pass and it was Eli basically saying fuck it and throwing the ball to the other team. I question why he was even on the field at that point, as he even took a pretty good shot the play before on a sack. They were 2 scores down with less than a minute to go, just run out the clock and be done with it.
In general he threw very well yesterday, but with plays like this he did not throw well enough to win.
Sort Romo style. Good stats but an L
The second one was with 12 seconds left down by more than a TD and he is just trying to make a play. Who cares.
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I actually agree with Banks on this. I could feel the INT coming and even made a disheartened statement to my friends that Eli did not have to throw at that point. It was completely meaningless even if he completed the pass and it was Eli basically saying fuck it and throwing the ball to the other team. I question why he was even on the field at that point, as he even took a pretty good shot the play before on a sack. They were 2 scores down with less than a minute to go, just run out the clock and be done with it.
It's like, telling a boxer, there's 10 seconds left in the rd, so stop fighting. That's bullshit. A competitor, is going to keep fighting, until it's over. If that's the case, why even send the 1st unit out there, in the first place ?? And actually, Donnell fell on that play. Which made, the int, easier to take place.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
The second was a last second BS one. Because Eli never quits, even when the rest of the team (read: Cruz) does.
But those drops were on cruz. Two terrible drops. There was a 3rd that the broadcast crew tried putting on Cruz until the replay was shown. That pass was off his fingertips, but if you are going to talk a big game, demand big bucks, you better make the plays.
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The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
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The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
Even I dont blame Cruz for that INT. Although, him stumbling did look pretty bad. That INT was on Eli first then the blitz pickup. I would be curious to see if Eli did get time and Cruz cleared, how much room he may have had.
The second was a throw away INT at the end of an unwinnable game. For me, the first is what slightly mars an otherwise exceptional effort by Manning.
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The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
You mean like watching the Giants game I watched Sunday where Eli threw a few balls to Cruz that were a little too high to catch. LOL! Cruz has good hands and it's funny that the announcers were crediting Cruz for how good he can catch just before the fingertip drops. If Eli brought those balls an inch lower I say Cruz would have caught them.
The last interception, though, I agree with Banks' comments. Eli just really shouldn't be throwing a sloppy pass like that. It's a micro samplling of how this offense plays over the last year.
I realize he doesn't care about stats/never gives up/etc. but you have to throw that away...forcing a 10 yard pass is useless at that point..........throw a screen and get off the field.
I guess not you, but plenty of people on this thread have put blame on Cruz.
Threw it low into the line and it was batted up. This is a common football play and there is plenty of fault.
What amazes me is you can watch every NFL game of the week and see tipped balls hopelessly hit the ground, yet most tips thrown by Eli get picked.
Also, he had a fluky pick week 1 too when the ball hit off a leg. Only Eli would have both of those be caught by the other team
By the way when was the last time the Giants picked off a tipped ball?
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The first throw was tipped and the last INT was in dead time.
What I do put on Eli are 2 of Cruz's drops. They were both a little too high and Cruz could barely get his fingertips on the ball. I can't blame Cruz for those.
That said, I thought Eli looked great most of the day.
lol. You mean the ones that hit Cruz directly in the hands?
No. I mean the two that were clearly off his fingertips while he (Cruz) was at the top of his jump and fully extended while the defender was all over him.
lol. All three of those balls were perfectly thrown. The first one hit him square in the hands. The next hit him in his hands as he reached and the third one was where he jumped and hit him directly in the hands. All three balls have to be caught and are caught by good WRs.
Not every throw is going to land between the numbers. And if you think they are, I would suggest watching some games around the NFL.
You mean like watching the Giants game I watched Sunday where Eli threw a few balls to Cruz that were a little too high to catch. LOL! Cruz has good hands and it's funny that the announcers were crediting Cruz for how good he can catch just before the fingertip drops. If Eli brought those balls an inch lower I say Cruz would have caught them.
Cruz has 5 drops in 2 games. I believe he led the NFL in drops in 2012 (someone else said it here). His hands can be questioned.
If you're gonna talk, make plays. I don't think he was doing it for selfish reasons, but yesterday was a disaster for him.
and on ST. Do we just feel good trashing our QB?
First INT was a bad play, however.
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i get that but yesterday was lost on fumbles
and on ST. Do we just feel good trashing our QB?
Amen, brother
I was wondering the same yesterday after Eli threw his first INT. I think he's had more games in his career with at least 1 INT than games with zero INTs. Sad, if true.
The other was forced into coverage at the end of the game. One of those" fuck it why not" interceptions.
He played an excellent game outside of those two throws and wasn't the reason we lost the game.
Eli threw a TERRIBLE pass for the first INT. With that being said, The Eli can do no wrong comment wasnt warranted for yesterdays game. Dude literally dropped 400 yards on 2 of the top corners in the game. Oh wait, we dropped 150 yards of them. Eli dominated that game, period. The team let him down. I cant say that for many of our recent losses, we can for yesterdays game.