I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to race but I have a feeling if polled people in the "south" are probably more "pro" spanking than the northern states but I may be totally, totally off there.
but it's not just what is done, it is how it is talked about. We were hit growing up, sometimes borderline abuse, but the idea that you would talk about "whipping" or "whupping" your kid, it just wasn't done. Down here, I hear it all the time. Still refers to a spanking (and probably less of one than mine), but it is talked of and thought of differently. But with that in mind, the sort of stuff the kid says happened (leaves in the mouth and such) is a lot different than what someone would recognize as corporal punishment taken too far.
I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to race but I have a feeling if polled people in the "south" are probably more "pro" spanking than the northern states but I may be totally, totally off there.
If I thought his opinion was coming from anywhere of substance I might take it into more consideration. My parents used corporal punishment on me and I'm from Montana. My friends parents did the same. I've spent most of my adult live in the south and I've seen it form all races. I think it may have more to do with, like most problems/issues, economic lines.
Once distinction I think that needs to be made is a deffinition of what spanking is and where the line is drawing. Some don't believe you should ever strike your kid while some seem to think anything is fair game. When I hear spanking I think of an open had or hand striking a kids backside. Bloody welts and permanent marks are a whole other thing.
I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to race but I have a feeling if polled people in the "south" are probably more "pro" spanking than the northern states but I may be totally, totally off there.
If I thought his opinion was coming from anywhere of substance I might take it into more consideration. My parents used corporal punishment on me and I'm from Montana. My friends parents did the same. I've spent most of my adult live in the south and I've seen it form all races. I think it may have more to do with, like most problems/issues, economic lines.
Once distinction I think that needs to be made is a deffinition of what spanking is and where the line is drawing. Some don't believe you should ever strike your kid while some seem to think anything is fair game. When I hear spanking I think of an open had or hand striking a kids backside. Bloody welts and permanent marks are a whole other thing.
Just to be clear I am 100% ignorant when it comes to "spankings". From what I've seen in regard to the Peterson issue most people (at least publicly) either think spankings are totally wrong, or that they are "something we grew up with" but that Peterson took it too far. I do agree that the majority of people think Peterson went too far. I too disagree with Barkley making this a race thing however. Not everything is race.
If certain peopole whether they be southerners or whatever
don't know what child abuse is, I hope this case will serve to educate them. I fall on the side that says you shouldn't hit children at all, but anyone using a foreign object to hit a kid is abusing them and should be in fucking jail.
when necessary with an open hand when bad behavior needs to be curbed immediately. But what Peterson gave his son was a beating, not a spanking.
The idea of parents using objects to strike their children is outrageous to my sensibilities. People seem to do what they know, or how they were raised, so I don't think these types of things are always malicious. It doesn't mean that they need to continue.
Hopefully this opens the discussion for acceptable means of parenting that don't involve giving children medical treatment afterwards.
baby boomers were probably raised in an era when corporal punishment was much more accepted. what was common practice back then is a child protective agency referral today.
regardless you have to change with evolving norms and values - domestic violence was also viewed much differently.
Isn't this the same guy who was notorious for having a shit attitude
If I thought his opinion was coming from anywhere of substance I might take it into more consideration. My parents used corporal punishment on me and I'm from Montana. My friends parents did the same. I've spent most of my adult live in the south and I've seen it form all races. I think it may have more to do with, like most problems/issues, economic lines.
Once distinction I think that needs to be made is a deffinition of what spanking is and where the line is drawing. Some don't believe you should ever strike your kid while some seem to think anything is fair game. When I hear spanking I think of an open had or hand striking a kids backside. Bloody welts and permanent marks are a whole other thing.
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I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to race but I have a feeling if polled people in the "south" are probably more "pro" spanking than the northern states but I may be totally, totally off there.
If I thought his opinion was coming from anywhere of substance I might take it into more consideration. My parents used corporal punishment on me and I'm from Montana. My friends parents did the same. I've spent most of my adult live in the south and I've seen it form all races. I think it may have more to do with, like most problems/issues, economic lines.
Once distinction I think that needs to be made is a deffinition of what spanking is and where the line is drawing. Some don't believe you should ever strike your kid while some seem to think anything is fair game. When I hear spanking I think of an open had or hand striking a kids backside. Bloody welts and permanent marks are a whole other thing.
Just to be clear I am 100% ignorant when it comes to "spankings". From what I've seen in regard to the Peterson issue most people (at least publicly) either think spankings are totally wrong, or that they are "something we grew up with" but that Peterson took it too far. I do agree that the majority of people think Peterson went too far. I too disagree with Barkley making this a race thing however. Not everything is race.
However in Peterson's situation, the kid is WAY too young, and the beating is well, well beyond anything resembling reasonable.
The idea of parents using objects to strike their children is outrageous to my sensibilities. People seem to do what they know, or how they were raised, so I don't think these types of things are always malicious. It doesn't mean that they need to continue.
Hopefully this opens the discussion for acceptable means of parenting that don't involve giving children medical treatment afterwards.
regardless you have to change with evolving norms and values - domestic violence was also viewed much differently.
Doesn't seem like that kind of discipline did much for him.
Doesn't seem like that kind of discipline did much for him.
LOL
but whatever, because southerners do suck