To Eric from BBI...hope you saw Patricia Traina's

After losing yesterday the way we did

yet another positive post from our friendup north. How many years in a row is this now? :)

a cold and is not worth his contract if he keeps playing this way.

Special teams have plagued us for years; it amazed me that we can't address this problem.

If you can't see that, don't know what to tell you.

there were some encouraging signs from yesterday, but bad teams --and I know this is going to be heresy here--but poorly coached teams make the same fundamental errors we make. I think there are reasons to be optimistic and there are reasons to have glass half empty feel that these mental errors that have haunted us over what really amounts to the last three seasons (I count 2011 because besides that glorious run the team was plagued by miscommunication issues) do not seem to improve.

How many killer punt returns have we given up under his watch??? Make an example of him today. Send him packing.

Period.

Desperation time for a Win. Ugly is fine. Keep the season "Alive" before we go into this tailspin.....

there was a guy there ready to make a play, the guy was in the right position and didn't. when you make a mistackle like that on special teams, you sometimes get the result we got. Demps fumbled the ball without being hit. What would you like Quinn to do about it. The only thing that I would say in criticism of coaching is that Demps is a poor retun guy and his constantly taking the ball out from deep in the endzone bothers me, the risk reward with him just is not worth it, especially since he rarely even gets to the 20. However, can you blame that all on Quinn? The head coach was watching the game, he could have put a stop to it.

at a 30 yard/return clip.

For gilbtride jr....who kg sr wasnt a te guy
That is another bad move IMO.
TE is doing better than wr so he may be
best coach...we need better wr coach and
oline I bellieve..

To those who say there was progress...I also don't know what to tell you. I am quoting Pat and I agree with her.

Same stupid mistakes...we beat ourselves. If we cannot beat Ryan Fitzpatrick this Sunday, I think all hell will break loose.

It is impossible to be positive about this team right now. Like all bad teams, one week something works and something else breaks down which costs you the game. Next week, you fix that and something else doesn't work. Like sticking your finger in a leak...sooner or later you run out of fingers.

I have never been impressed. Admittedly, I did not know that number. In fact, he would have been cut if not for Taylor's injury.

In comment 11863504 SBlue46 said:

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For gilbtride jr....who kg sr wasnt a te guy That is another bad move IMO. TE is doing better than wr so he may be best coach...we need better wr coach and oline I bellieve..

this is incomprehensible garbage.

In any event, LD has been our best offensive player, so maybe Gilbride Jr. know what he is doing

I saw substantial progress from the offense compared to last week. If they continue to improve, there's reason to hope. Don't know what you can do to eliminate mistakes other than making mistake free play a point of emphasis, but a good offense can overcome a few mistakes. I am definitely more hopeful than I was last week and thru the pre-season.

Forget Pat.

What did your eyes tell you when you watched the offense. Did they look better or worse than last week?

how many years do we say exactly what you are saying after another special teams misplay? It happens every frigging year...well, you can't blame the coach, guy was right there to make the play. Nonsense...when it happens year in and year out. Sooner or later you have to question whether it is just the player.

To me, there is a malaise in this organization right now and the only one who seems to give a damn is Tom. I get the sense that many of you have never played a team sport on a competitive basis because, if you did, you would know that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable. But bad organizations allow it to happen. Right now, we are a bad organization

is the stuff maturity is composed of? Or are you using the usual BBI mantra of, "I'm just a realist?"

with this team in 2012 are issues now.

So someone's accepting it.

played well but when it came to crunch time...to having to make a play we eff'd up.

That, to me, is not progress and not the way we used to play.

Frankly, I could give a damn if we produced 600 yards of offense if, in the end, we lost the game because of dumb, stupid mistakes. I don't know what to tell you, Britt, but this is a bad team.

can't say the outcome would of been different but Cruz 3rd down drop was a killer. He catches the ball first down we don't punt to Ginn he doesn't score a TD they don't kickoff to Demps. Yeah I know if the queen had balls she would be the King. Victor needs to catch that ball 10 times out of 10 making $8 million a year

for quite awhile as we all know, for whatever reasons(legitimate or not), but in this case, any time you hit a line drive punt, it's gonna be trouble. In many cases, big trouble as you know. Won't blame Steve for this as the guy's a warrior, but them thar the facts, agreed?

Bowman had him dead to right and he was shut down all day. Ginn was awful.

Make a fucking tackle.

I have watched the Giants religously for the past forty years. My observation is somthing is dysfunctional in this organization. Coughlin has a reputation as an attention to detail disciplinarian yet under his tenure they rarely play this way. They coaching staff also does not seem to be able to develop talent and adapt the schemes to the personel at hand. Fewell and Quin and probably Flaherty come to mind. Contrastingly, Belicheck teams are always well coached and prepared. However without Pioli he seems to lack an eye for acquiring talent. Yet you rarely see NE appear so lacking in basic football discipline and every year they are in the playoff hunt because they are so well coached and prepared. Somthing is rotten in the Meadowlands.

Mike there are enough other threads here that are preaching doom and gloom, Cruz sucks, and fire Quinn. Why not go there and join in with them.

Hey I hated to lose yesterday and screamed at Cruz and Randle but the offense looked like it knew what it was doing. So much better than Monday night.

The defense except for first drive was strong.

Special teams, not so great but can't blame Quinn for missing tackles and for Demps dropping the ball.

I think we win next week.

how about you? Last year and this year, yes, very pessimistic because of what has occurred in the front office and the failure to address key situations.

You can call it what you like...I am like any other Giants' fan on Sundays...I am up early with my Giant jersey on etc.

I've been a fan for 53 years...since I was 7. I've seen the best and worst of this organization and I see it falling back to what it was in the 70's...loyalty to people who are not doing their jobs. Sorry, if you don't like it.

In comment 11863528 Marshalman said:

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I have watched the Giants religously for the past forty years. My observation is somthing is dysfunctional in this organization. Coughlin has a reputation as an attention to detail disciplinarian yet under his tenure they rarely play this way. They coaching staff also does not seem to be able to develop talent and adapt the schemes to the personel at hand. Fewell and Quin and probably Flaherty come to mind. Contrastingly, Belicheck teams are always well coached and prepared. However without Pioli he seems to lack an eye for acquiring talent. Yet you rarely see NE appear so lacking in basic football discipline and every year they are in the playoff hunt because they are so well coached and prepared. Somthing is rotten in the Meadowlands.

2 SBs, end of story..Who's done better in that span? Every team makes stupid mistakes. Highlighted when you lose, glossed over when you win..

or fewell or Quinn, but nobody want's to hold the head man accountable. So, we sacrifice a coordinator, like we did Gillbride last season, and hope for the best. At some point, people have to realize that TC is the head coach.

In comment 11863531 MikeN in Ottawa said:

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how about you? Last year and this year, yes, very pessimistic because of what has occurred in the front office and the failure to address key situations. You can call it what you like...I am like any other Giants' fan on Sundays...I am up early with my Giant jersey on etc. I've been a fan for 53 years...since I was 7. I've seen the best and worst of this organization and I see it falling back to what it was in the 70's...loyalty to people who are not doing their jobs. Sorry, if you don't like it.

Nothing personal Mike..I've only been here since February, 2001..I missed your first 5 years

Non contact fumbles. The coaches should run more drills where the players run with footballs and work on not dropping it.

What I saw yesterday was players not executing

hey, nobody put a gun to your head to chime in on this one.

I have a right, like any other BBI member, to post how I feel as long as I am not being abusive.

I have a right to my opinion just as you do.

You can say whatever you want. Except for two late season runs through the playoff and the 2008 season prior to the Burress debacle, this team has been very average.

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at a 30 yard/return clip.

Perfect example of how bad the Giants special teams are - is that Demps was good elsewhere - the guy from the Vikings Darius Reynaud? wasn't a bad return guy either - with the Vikings sucked with us, first kick-off the next year with the titans - goes the distance.

Which number stands out to you? I helped and circled it, even his punt return numbers were worse in NY.

I disagree with what you wrote, as I see some progress, but I agree that as long as you are respectful you should write whatever you want.

This is a WAY different team roster than last year.

They blew up and rebuilt the offensive line completely in the past 12 months. The team has a lot of younger players at a lot of positions. There is not a strong veteran pressence.

The type of things you want to see don't happen overnight. They take time.

Look at the Eagles last year. They started 1-3 and at the midway point were 3-5 at midseason.

They were a completely different team at the end of last season than they were at the start of the season.

and some have been very negative but I don't go around saying such things to you. You say...nothing personal...but you sure made it sound personal especially referring to where I live which has nothing to do with anything. I would match my football knowledge and knowledge of the Giants against anyone.

I always find it interesting that people say such things and then, when confronted, revert to the old "nothing personal".

Yeah, right! Again, if you don't like my post, no one forcing you to join in. it would be nice if we could discuss based on the facts. The facts tell me this is a bad football team which does what most bad football teams do...beat themselves.

Like Jim Fassel used to say, more teams lose in the NFL than win.

We did play better yesterday than last wk. We also lost to a subpar team on the road with a back up QB. Its a dialectic really. The unfortunate truth tho is this team is going nowhere this season. Hard to argue with that atm.

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You can say whatever you want. Except for two late season runs through the playoff and the 2008 season prior to the Burress debacle, this team has been very average.

What do you mean EXCEPT FOR? There's no except for when you win 2 SBs in a time span no one else has matched. We were also 10-6 in 2010(easily should have been 11-5) and 12-4 in 2008 and a big fave to win it all before Plax..Seems to me, that most teams that can't pull that final trigger are "average" regardless of their regular season accomplishments..I think Peyton is pretty average in the post season, yet one of the best at his position ever

to call out bad play, and there was bad play in the game. But there was progress in the most worrisome aspect of their prior performance. Last week, and thru the pre-season, the starting offense was dysfunctional. The QB and WRs were not on the same page, the OL was non-existent and the QB was erratic. It looked like the great Offensive makeover might be a disaster. This week they looked like a functional unit. Dropped passes? Sure, but the QB and the WRs were at least running the same play ... the QB put the ball where it was supposed to be and the receiver was there. The O-line gave Eli plenty of time. Fumbles? They don't reflect the cohesion of the offense, just carelessness (which of course is not acceptable). Fumbles will happen, but a good offense can overcome them, and there were signs yesterday of progress toward a good offense.

Oh, P.S. I loved the Super Bowl wins but they are in the past and in no way excuse current poor performance

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You can say whatever you want. Except for two late season runs through the playoff and the 2008 season prior to the Burress debacle, this team has been very average.

I do not agree.
I think if you split the Coughlin era into the first half
2004-2008, it was generally a successful era. Team made playoffs every year besides 04. Were there issues? Yes. But the team was good and that portion was successful.

From 2009-present, the story has been much different except for six weeks 2011(and a semi-decent 2010 season). The Giants have been painful to watch at times, especially the blowouts and not competing in many important games, Carolina 2009, GB 2010, Cincy, Baltimore, and Atlanta in 2012. Last year, too many to count.

I've been reading this a lot on BBI lately. We won the championship in 2012--2012!

I remember the 70s, too. By the end of the decade, the Giants had been horribly bad for 17 years. Not a season and a half. There is NO comparison to the 70s. Are you kidding me?

that I truly can't remember your last positive post. And yes, it's your right. My mistake was responding to it as I did and for that I apologize..I should simply ignore and not comment..

As for where you are, people say that all the time. Our friend up north. Or in my case, the friend from red rock country..It's an expression people use. Nothing was seriously meant by it..

-> Given up a blocked punt
-> Got their punter killed
-> Given up a return TD
-> Fumbled away a kick-off

Specials cost us the game yesterday. So yeah, special teams should be in the conversation today.

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I disagree with what you wrote, as I see some progress, but I agree that as long as you are respectful you should write whatever you want.

Vent all you want but dont get defensive and pull the... I've been here a long time so I have the right to say what I want...when people disagree. Being a fan for a long time or on BBI for a long time doesn't mean you know the game or hold any special powers.

The Giants lost but most of us knew this was going to be a work in progress. If you didn't see progress I don't know what to say.

In comment 11863571 ZogZerg said:

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-> Given up a blocked punt -> Got their punter killed -> Given up a return TD -> Fumbled away a kick-off Specials cost us the game yesterday. So yeah, special teams should be in the conversation today.

Tom Quinn is teflon. Those blackmail photos he has must be juicier than the Kate Upton nudes.

Because right now, there is no argument to be made that the rebuilt, retooled 2014 Giants are any better than the incredibly disappointing version that missed the playoffs (again) in 2013. That team was 0-2, just like this one, on its way to a shocking 0-6 start. Maybe this team will stop the losing long before it gets that far.

But at this point is there any reason to believe that at all?

On Sunday the Giants lost, 25-14, to a tired Arizona Cardinals team coming off a short week and a cross-country flight, a team that was forced to play with a backup quarterback who hadn’t thrown an NFL pass in four years. And the mistakes they made – the costly penalties, the drops, the fumbles, the interceptions, the punch-in-the-gut follies on special teams – were exactly the kind of mistakes the Giants were making all last year.

So why would anyone think they’re really any better? Why would anybody believe at this point that this season won’t end up in the same, miserable, playoff-less way?

coach the guy to tackle better who missed Ginn?

Instruct Weatherford to punt the ball longer and higher?

Why wouldn't you want Demps bringing the ball out 5 yards deep? The guy was an exceptional returner last year and our offense needs all the help with field position it can get.

Some of you need to get a grip.

You can only coach special teams so much, there are only so many ways to block it/cover it. It's not like you have a hundred page playoff of options.

Did somebody else tell you if your breakfast was good or not this morning?

and when they make mistakes like yesterday, they are going to lose 9 out of 10 times.

There was progress, and I think have to accept this is going to be a year of implementing a new offense, and developing a few offensive player (Donnell, Beckum, and Williams). With that, there are going to be quite a few losses.

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hey, nobody put a gun to your head to chime in on this one. I have a right, like any other BBI member, to post how I feel as long as I am not being abusive. I have a right to my opinion just as you do.

You have a right to call out Eric because he disagrees with you and you agree with Pat? Can I quote Howard Stern's dad and ask that you "stop being stupid, you moron?"

Thanks in advance. People are being too nice to your stupid post. Let's get this Monday morning off right!

To me 80% of Special Team play is pure luck. I don't think you can plan a kickoff or punt return play from beginning to end because there is way too much out of your control. So the return for TD sucked but AZ got lucky in my mind.

I was delighted to see the progress being made and displayed Sunday on our Offense and I thought our Defense did well until Beason went down.

I think Reece has done such a poor job with this team that I'll be happy to see us get 6 wins this year. I don't blame the coaches or the players. I blame Reece for the lack of talent on the team and because my honest assessment of this talent tells me we suck I can't get mad when the team loses. I will simply continue to hope they fire Reece after this season. He clearly sabatoged any chances of TC fielding a good team this year and it's sad that TC may have to out like this.

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coach the guy to tackle better who missed Ginn? Instruct Weatherford to punt the ball longer and higher? Why wouldn't you want Demps bringing the ball out 5 yards deep? The guy was an exceptional returner last year and our offense needs all the help with field position it can get. Some of you need to get a grip. You can only coach special teams so much, there are only so many ways to block it/cover it. It's not like you have a hundred page playoff of options.

I want quinn to be better at preparing his special teams. It's been years already. This isn't new. And it's not a talent issue. Starting lineup players play special teams.

In comment 11863528 Marshalman said:

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I have watched the Giants religously for the past forty years. My observation is somthing is dysfunctional in this organization. Coughlin has a reputation as an attention to detail disciplinarian yet under his tenure they rarely play this way. They coaching staff also does not seem to be able to develop talent and adapt the schemes to the personel at hand. Fewell and Quin and probably Flaherty come to mind. Contrastingly, Belicheck teams are always well coached and prepared. However without Pioli he seems to lack an eye for acquiring talent. Yet you rarely see NE appear so lacking in basic football discipline and every year they are in the playoff hunt because they are so well coached and prepared. Somthing is rotten in the Meadowlands.

I havent watched the Giants for 40 years, but I agree with you. It feels like the 2 SB wins are allowing the front office to just assume they are doing the right things personnel wise, even though for over 24 games now, we're consistently looking bad out there.

Special teams have been a trainwreck for quite some time. Fewell's defense has been mediocre with flashes of individual brilliance for years now. The Giants individual defensive talent carried them to our last SB win in spite of Fewell.

but how many times over the past 3 years have wee been killed by a back breaking punt/kick return? Too many. Not to mention at the same time we get virtually nothing out of our return game. I'm not absolving the players of the blame, and we had some bad luck injury wise with return guys this year so far. At some point to coach has to pay.

this entire coaching staff is going to pay if things continue with the turnovers and just overall averge to poor play......

A Giants win next week, and a good performance, will make us alllll get along once again!

Until then, let's remember something that helps with the ups and downs of an NFL season:

Never get too high, never get too low. You're never as good as you think you are, and you're never as bad either.

That said, winning breeds a lot of things.. one of which is focus and football intelligence.

cheer up Mike, BB56 was just trying to comfort you. Of course we want to hear from you, and we feel your pain, but want you to feel just a bit more hopeful. Yesterday things began to come together, Nassib can relax, Beckam can take time to heal. Victor dropped a few he should have caught, and specials were not really special, but the rebuild is beginning to take shape.

and has been for a long time. The coaching of that unit needs to take the blame. There has been no real improvement year over year for that squad. Regardless of the personnel.

As for yesterday they let up another punt return, they don't get strong run backs, but we did block a punt.

penalties have been a issue in the last couple of years. Again coaching needs to be looked at there. However players need to take blame too.

I saw some positives yesterday, and I heard the announcers mention that McAdoo and the offense sat down and paired things down to what Eli was most comfortable with. That alone is good progress. Eli threw the ball well. The run game continues to suck.

Now with all the positives I saw, I hope it becomes the norm and not a flash of what could be. The Giants have played poorly for far too long to think it is the norm. I need to see this over a series of games, with improvement growing each week

I guess the difference I have with many on BBI is that I accepted after last year that the team was rebuilding. My expectation for the year was 4-5 wins.

Though very frustrating, my major concerns have not been with losses, but with more long term questions. For example do you rebuild with a 68 year old coach, however great he has been? Do you rebuild with a QB who has perhaps 3 quality years left, if that many, or do you try to trade him somewhere else where he can thrive and capitalize on his remaining value? Do you rebuild with a front office that has a spotty track record in the drafts?

I hope to see a youth movement on this team, sooner than later. I do not mind losing games if there is development of younger players. It is much easier watching Donnell, Richburg and Pugh make a mistake, than it is to see veterans missing blocks or tackles, dropping passes and blowing assignments. I know that Coughlin will fight to the end to win and if that means giving more time to a declining veteran over a raw rookie, he will do so. I just wonder if that is in the best long term interests of this team.

it's easier to see the positive.

Eli is not broken. Given halfway decent protection, he can still play at a high level. Sure, some of his passes were off, but there's nothing new about that.

Randle looks improved from last year. This Donnell may turn out to be our next Kevin Boss/Jake Ballard. A pass catching TE who drops out of nowhere.

You can't expect a polished running game. There is a whole new offensive line with no experience playing together, a new system, and mediocre running backs.

The defensive line showed much more of a pass rush than I expected. Of course I want to see them do it against a few more teams. Both Hankins and Moore may turn out to be solid or better players.

Both corners, Prince and DRC look strong and Rolle is still playing well. I wish Will Hill was returning in three weeks because Brown is likely to be the biggest disappointment of the season, but that's done and I have to move on.

but as Britt says, if you didn't see marked improvement yesterday, you were watching a different game. Eli looked like the old Eli, in command and in control and finding pin point spots to his his receivers. He ran two long drives for TD's. We NEVER or RARELY did that last year.

The drops, fumbles are terrible mistakes. Fumbles are correctable. Demps was carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Have Coghlin do a Tiki on him. Jennings had just extended himself to catch that pass and maybe didn't have time to tuck the ball in securely. After all, to some of us, it looked like he didn't make enough football moves for a real completion. As for the dropped passes -- I dunno. Focus? Lack of concentration? I dunno. THEY do and I'm hoping they'll work on it.

Jesus, the difference from last year is remarkable, especially with Eli.

This team is a WORK IN PROGRESS, people. Let's cut out the blame and sucks bullshit and watch the team progress.

definitely looked better than it did against Detroit. That being said, there's no guarantee that this thing is going to be linear (i.e., there's no guarantee that they will continue to look better and better each game).

I'm more of a big picture kind of guy when it comes to this stuff. The bottom line is that they still only managed to score 14 points and are 0-2. They need to start winning some games right now or else the season will effectively be over by the time we reach October. They have dug themselves a hole; there is no doubt about that.

situations like Carolina/KC last year mislead people into thinking it happens quick. They don't remember that Carolina stunk for a good 5 years though. They are re-building the O-line piece by piece. Picking where we pick in drafts the past 10 years it's tough to draft elite tackles. We got a pretty good one in Pugh. I have always defended Fewell, but I am coming over to the dark side with his critics. The rest of the league understands the concept of bringing pressure on 3rd and long and forcing the ball out quick. With all we have invested in the secondary with high picks and free agent $ if we cannot trust them 1 on 1 then either we made serious errors in judgement or there is a coaching problem. I love Coughlin but I'm starting to believe a new staff next year would not be awful.

and despite them, we carried on.

Especially the early JPP sack when time was called behind him, no whistle was blown, no flag was tossed and yet instead of a sack he got a roughing the passer penalty.

Realistically, this team will improve as the season progress's barring a rash of injuries. The on the field product in November-December will probably be improved. I think we all understand what we are seeing is not a finished product. However, the lack of talent and mistake prone performances will still be there. This team has issues in every facet. Any arm chair fool could see Diehl and Snee were mere shells of their former selves the past several years yet they saw the field week after week. It's a organizational failure. They are providing the fans with a mediocre product. We will all be happy if things inprove and we finish 8 and 8 but its a false sence of security. This ORGANIZATION is now MEDIOCRE! Years of POOR personel decisions and a questionable coaching staff have led to this. Welcome to today's NFL.

I don't think the criticism is overblown or misguided at this point. Every facet of ST has come into question under him. We have had mediocre at best return games every year, regardless of who we have brought in to return kicks and punts. We have had dismal overall coverage on punts and kicks for years. Now, yesterday wasn't necessarily his fault. But, it is another disaster in a long line of disasters with our ST.

I will say that I think Coughlin's passive aggressive criticism of Weatherford (or the ST coach for playing him) is misguided. That punt was not the reason it was returned. But, the criticism does really speak more about Quinn than Weatherford, in my opinion. If the coach wants directional punting, then that is what Quinn should be asking his players to do. If Weatherford is not physically able to perform, then he shouldn't be active. Personally, I don't think the latter was the case, because he didn't punt badly.

So, we don't know if Weatherford was asked to directional kick and didn't/couldn't or if he simply kicked the ball down the middle on his own. Even if the latter is true, Ginn gave us no reason to fear him the rest of the game. And, the bottom line is 1 player had him dead to rights and didn't even wrap him up for someone else to clean up the tackle and another player just whiffed.

in your home opener. Bahahaha. Pathetic.

but regarding Tom Quinn, what things aren't his responsibility?

They didn't develop Matt Dodge at all.

This special teams unit has failed to block for any return man other than David Wilson. Seriously, name one return man other than wilson that has had any kind of success. And they've brought in some players who were known as and thought of as quality return men (Reynaud, Demps so far, Jernigan)

The kick and punt coverage breaks down on a fairly regular basis, even when starting-quality players are used on special teams.

The only two things that work well are DeOssie's snaps and Weatherford's punts.

there was no progress re: yesterday's game, needs to re-watch it.

Are you referring to McClain's hit on the QB? It was an awkward and weird situation, but technically the correct call. The whistle did blow. but, the crowd noise drowned it out (or it wasn't a particularly loud and long whistle). It was not clear if Stanton had actually stopped play or not, but technically it was a hit on the QB after the whistle.

someone's opinion that they expressed online by citing another person's opinion thatwas expressed online. Interesting.........

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someone's opinion that they expressed online by citing another person's opinion thatwas expressed online. Interesting.........

Weird right?

"Louis, would you like some coffee?"

"Yes, have some."

"Yes... Have some."

In comment 11863735 Giants11 said:

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situations like Carolina/KC last year mislead people into thinking it happens quick. They don't remember that Carolina stunk for a good 5 years though. They are re-building the O-line piece by piece. Picking where we pick in drafts the past 10 years it's tough to draft elite tackles. We got a pretty good one in Pugh. I have always defended Fewell, but I am coming over to the dark side with his critics. The rest of the league understands the concept of bringing pressure on 3rd and long and forcing the ball out quick. With all we have invested in the secondary with high picks and free agent $ if we cannot trust them 1 on 1 then either we made serious errors in judgement or there is a coaching problem. I love Coughlin but I'm starting to believe a new staff next year would not be awful.

Great point about 3rd down. We set ourselves up to fail on 3rd down repeatedly. It is the definition of insanity.

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Football ain't that hard to figure out.

It's the same shit, that keep happening on the field. Then how, is it the GM's fault, and not the head coach ? Sorry, but this shit, is on Coughlin. Talent, or not. The same bullshit mistakes, keeps happening. No matter who Coughlin, is coaching!

It is the lack of talent we have on offense. We have no gamebreakers. No top notch Offensive lineman that can move their guy in the run game.

It will get better as the season goes IF we stay healthy.

Coughlin is a superb coach. Reese and the front office need to be changed if things don't improve.

We need this year's draft class to get on the field and play a lot so they have experience for next year.

The Giants need to win their next two games if they are to have any shot at the playoffs. 0-3 is doom, and beating the Redskins on the road would be huge on a short week. Then we'd have a little extra time to prepare for game 5. One game at a time but if we did get to 3-2 all this talk would dissipate. Just can we?

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0-2 Football ain't that hard to figure out.

7 TOs in two games, awful. O TOs against a TO happy Detroit offense, and a backup QB playing on the road, who hasn't played a regular season game in four years; also terrible.

no denying we are in a rebuilding period.When you lose the turnover battle(minue 6 for the season) and allow the opposition to be successful on third down about 55% of the time you will not win football games.Offense did look better yesterday in the passing game(minus the 5 dropped passes) but we can't run the ball to balance out the offensive game plan. That's a huge problem going forward. But it is a work in progress. This is not a playoff team this year.

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there was a guy there ready to make a play, the guy was in the right position and didn't. when you make a mistackle like that on special teams, you sometimes get the result we got.

Right, but then you saw every other defender sprinting towards the exact same point on the field, and as Ginn started sprinting straight ahead, each of them had to stop, turn around, and chase him.

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In comment 11863475 mattlawson said:

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After losing yesterday the way we did

What kind of weak minded shit is this??

when our first guy down misses the tackle, it ends up a big gain for the returner; there is no one else to box in the returner. He finds a lane because we over pursue, or get blocked out of it, then he's gone.
And maybe we should have signed Mesko for a week or two.
And Quinn does suck(players also).

especially on a certain cool, brisk evening in New Jersey back in December 2010.

It is true that, as you put it, bad teams beat themselves. What Bruce is taking issue with is your assertion that these are mistakes that can't be corrected. You're also giving absolutely no credence to the fact that there was a massive roster overhaul and it's going to take time to gel properly. If you want to say you don't think there's a chance things could gel before it's too late to make a postseason run, you would have a very valid point... but your declarations of "this is a bad football team" just two weeks in, with one game where we led in the 4th quarter... that's what's pissing people off.

No one is interested in your declarative statements when there is not enough of a sample size to make them. And don't talk to me about last year. As you should obviously know, this is a tremendously different football team.

In comment 11864236 I Love Clams Casino said:

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end of story

End of story... in week 2. Brilliant, Clams.

Everyone looks at the return specialists as it is there fault. They were great another on another team so everyone thinks they will be great here. If you brought the return man along with the other 10 players and the scheme from the other team you will get good results. It is the current scheme and players on this roster .. not the return specialists. Hahaha. Does everyone think that every return man we get suddenly forgets how to play? There was a reason why they were good to begin with .. great blocking and great scheme hence great returns. The common thread here is that they were not on the Giants and now that they are .. they suck. Look no further than Quinn our brilliant Special Team coach.

Top to bottom, there is little talent. The starters are crappy. Why would you expect special teams to have any talent?

In comment 11863766 Matt M. said:

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Are you referring to McClain's hit on the QB? It was an awkward and weird situation, but technically the correct call. The whistle did blow. but, the crowd noise drowned it out (or it wasn't a particularly loud and long whistle). It was not clear if Stanton had actually stopped play or not, but technically it was a hit on the QB after the whistle.

Thanks. You're right. I looked at it on tape. I was at the game and missed the number. Thought it was JPP.

In comment 11863534 Essex said:

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or fewell or Quinn, but nobody want's to hold the head man accountable. So, we sacrifice a coordinator, like we did Gillbride last season, and hope for the best. At some point, people have to realize that TC is the head coach.

Tou are totally on target. Gilbright would still be the OC if it weren't for Mara getting involved. The Giants will be like this until they get a new HC

after seeing just how bad the talent is.

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In comment 11863534 Essex said: Quote: or fewell or Quinn, but nobody want's to hold the head man accountable. So, we sacrifice a coordinator, like we did Gillbride last season, and hope for the best. At some point, people have to realize that TC is the head coach. Tou are totally on target. Gilbright would still be the OC if it weren't for Mara getting involved. The Giants will be like this until they get a new HC

You know this how?

Starters are playing special teams.