The link is to a publication put out by the Texas Attorney General. It points out:
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO.
The link is to a publication put out by the Texas Attorney General. It points out:
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO. Link to the Texas AG publication - ( New Window )
I agree .. what is reasonable to one is not to another. To me personally .. what Peterson did was wrong and I cannot see how anyone could justify it. Let the courts decide. That's why they are there. In the court of public opinion he is already done.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
It just amazes me how if you don't think a person needs to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life and his life ruined that it means you somehow support the guy's offense. As someone said earlier, it's like if you don't jump on the bandwagon with pitchforks ready with everyone else, well then you that means you support child abuse! I don't view things so black and white.
life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
Why would I stop watching? Because one person did something that is against your perception of what is right or wrong. Kills me the lack of common sense on these boards. One guy does not make the NFL and just because the NFL is not doing what you think is right they should be banned. What if he spanked him and someone said .. We need to stop watching the NFL because he spanked his kid. Would you agree? Is your idea of right and wrong the same as his? It is your view and if you want to stop watching .. by all means go right on ahead. Assuming that the big bad NFL wants this stuff and actively criminals .. hahaha. Laughable.
I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Once again I say "who am I to judge and who am I to say what is right or wrong for his family"? Look, I do not agree with the switch but to assume that you or I have the right to judge what behavior did deserve or didn't deserve punishment .. you get my point. I think too many people put their noses into situations that are none of their business. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagreeing or agreeing. Right or wrong .. did they deserve punishment or not .. my life is too busy to worry or let alone care what Peterson did or didn't do. The end result is .. how is this going to affect my life. Not one iota.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
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life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
Considering you are a Dylan fan you probably did way too much acid to even understand and / or comprehend my point, but I will try anyway. Where did I say that I believe a convicted murderer should be allowed to play in the NFL? It is beyond stupid for you to compare a murderer with someone who has been accused of child endangerment. If you think those two things are one in the same then you my friend may be the dumbest person on earth. Anyone with half a brain would know that I was talking about both the Rice and the Petersons cases. in both cases I don't think either player should be banned for life.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
Listen you have a different opinion than me and some others on the board. However there is no need 2 throw out insults because you feel differently. I did insult you in response to your insults but that was wrong and it is not my style. You have a right to your opinion but once you get away from that and start insulting others for theirs then you are wrong. Most of the time I find that those who attack your views and call you names are the same people who are not intelligent enough to debate the issue.
Hey, shithead, maybe you should learn how to comprehend your own fucking post. One "bad thing" in their life could mean ANY "bad thing," including murder. How many "bad things" & what types of them should a player be allowed to do before the NFL acts upon them? You apparently don't think abusing a 4 year old is sufficient for that & I don't have half a brain? BTW, since when are Bob Dylan fans known for doing a bunch of acid? What alternate world have you lived in?
I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison.
In comment 11864840 Dylan fan said:
[quote] I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison. [/quote i
I am a lawyer and deal with cases in both the family court and criminal court involving domestic abuse and child abuse issues. I can tell you based upon my knowledge of both the Peterson and Rice cases that it doesn't matter who they are, football players, janitors, unemployed laborers, they would not do one day in jail. I don't like going around calling people stupid or imbeciles or dumb like you do when they don't agree with me. My opinions are based upon experience and practicality. I have a strong moral code and I try to teach my son the difference between right and wrong. I also realize that we all make mistakes in life and that no one is immune. I think some people here are of the opinion that Peterson did this because of some perverse pleasure like he enjoyed it.I am of the opinion that he did not and at least in his mind thought he was doing the right thing.I think we can all agree that he went over the line and was wrong and the best thing that could happen here for both the boy and him is for this not to happen again and for Peterson to be educated in other forms of discipline. If you believe I am stupid for thinking that way, that is of course your prerogative. However if that is your opinion I think it says more about you then about me.
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Hey, shithead, maybe you should learn how to comprehend your own fucking post. One "bad thing" in their life could mean ANY "bad thing," including murder. How many "bad things" & what types of them should a player be allowed to do before the NFL acts upon them? You apparently don't think abusing a 4 year old is sufficient for that & I don't have half a brain? BTW, since when are Bob Dylan fans known for doing a bunch of acid? What alternate world have you lived in?
And of course bad thins could mean anything. If you read the entire context of my post you would realize that I was speaking about the rice and peterson incidents and how if we banned everyone who did something bad we wouldn't have much of a league. Nowhere in my statement did I say we should not ban certain people. It should go without saying and I think everyone would agree that a convicted murderer even if he is out of prison should not be allowed to play in the NFL. I would also say that a convicted rapist should never be allowed to play in the NFL. Again, that is only my opinion but i think most would be on board with that. However I will repeat that comparing what rice and Peterson did to convicted murderers and rapists in prison is beyond ridiculous
of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
Yeah because it's the NFL's fault for what Peterson and Rice did. Hahaha, have to laugh at the stupidity here. Uh oh, let me go grab my pitchfork and torch .. quick, where is the tar and feathers? Goodell, it is all your fault!!! To think that the NFL would not try and get this right in today's climate with the whole Rice fiasco. Hahaha, the NFL for all intensive purposes is a business. For someone to think that they would not act like one is ludicrous and not thinking with their head. In the end, Peterson will most likely be banned for life or suffer a one year suspension. To some that will seem excessive and to others it will not be enough. Everyone thinks their view is the moral authority and no matter what happens some will disagree and others won't. It just depends on where you are on the pendulum. It blows my mind that people want blood before anyone has been convicted. I guess guilty before trial. By his own admission and to most that read these boards .. he was wrong. Should the NFL ban him immediately? What happens if he is found innocent. What about due process or does that matter anymore? Just playing devils advocate here. As I stated earlier the NFL is a business and they will judge based on public opinion and what the pocket books can support. Right or wrong .. that is our society.
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
if I get caught giving my kid a "whipping" I will lose my job. Most people here would lose their jobs. It is because of collective bargaining, and the fact that Peterson is so good at what he does, that has him still receiving a paycheck. So this fear about punishment without a conviction misses the point. People get punished for picking up charges all the time. Convictions make it easier for the league to justify suspension without pay to the union, but they do not have much of a bearing on whether punishment is or isn't morally right.
if I get caught giving my kid a "whipping" I will lose my job. Most people here would lose their jobs. It is because of collective bargaining, and the fact that Peterson is so good at what he does, that has him still receiving a paycheck. So this fear about punishment without a conviction misses the point. People get punished for picking up charges all the time. Convictions make it easier for the league to justify suspension without pay to the union, but they do not have much of a bearing on whether punishment is or isn't morally right.
I am not certain what you do but I disagree that most would be terminated from their job
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Yes, you are right in the things you listed such as woman's rights, equality, etc. We have come miles and miles from where we were 50-75 years ago. However, what I listed is also a departure of where we were 50-75 years ago to the other side of the spectrum. I was just making a point that what we give up in one area we sometimes lose in another. Does one have an effect on the other? Who knows. You are right that personal freedoms and equality are at all time high and yes these things are better than they were. I agree with you completely but what I said was not in regards to equality nor the strides we have made as a society. My point is that parenting today is not like it was yesterday and that there is a clear divergence from yesterday to today and you can see it in the kids today. I see parents blaming TV, society, schools, etc. instead of taking responsibility for their inaction as parents. I see prescription drugs given to kids at an all time high. I see parents who lack backbone and parents who are afraid to discipline their child for fear of not being liked. You are right in many ways and yes we are enlightened. There is always room for improvement. Who knows though.
According to the news station, one of Peterson's four-year-old son's was disciplined by Peterson for cursing at one of his siblings. The boy sustained a scar over his right eye. Peterson has at least five children with multiple different women, and is believed to have as many as seven kids out of wedlock. If more information comes to light, the Vikings could discipline Peterson yet again.
he inflicted injuries on him that were visible days after. The child is afraid of him. That is child abuse. AP is a sick fuck. I don't know if he should go to jail, but he definitely needs some kind of counseling and not to be alone with the kids.
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The link attached below is the official statement from Radisson's parent company. Radisson sponsors the Vikings' press conferences.
Not sure if this is the first example of some identifiable financial penalty attributable to Peterson's misconduct (or Rice's conduct, or Hardy's conduct, etc.), nor is it clear how much the Vikings stand to lose if Radisson does terminate its sponsorship, but regardless, it will be interesting to see if other corporate sponsors follow Radisson's lead. Radisson statement - ( New Window )
Tried to link to your post above but it wouldn't. Due process applies ONLY to the government, not people or businesses. In other words, the NFL can do whatevever the hell it wants to players as long as the collective bargaining agreement with the players union allows it. The agreement mentions nothing about requiring the government to give players due process (i.e., a trial & whatnot) before a player can be suspended considering players have been suspended before they were even so much as CHARGED, no less CONVICTED, for only smoking pot, which I think even the likes of you would agree is far less damaging to the NFL's image than a 210 pound player beating his 4 year old kid with a stick 10-15 times until he bled. You, me, the Vikings & the NFL can think whatever they want about the situation & it has no bearing on due process whatsoever. If a jury in his case thinks what he did wasn't child abuse under the law, that would still not prevent any of the aforementioned from STILL believing what he did was child abuse & doing as they see fit re AP to the extent they could do anything to him. Nobody is out on the streets w/ pitchforks & a rope to hang AP regardless what other posters have said. That would be even more wrong than what AP did, but that hasn't happened & isn't going to regardless of what other posters have said. For the record, I think he should get a few years in prison & nowhere near life, as some posters have said, whether that's hyperbole or not.
See, even you may have just learned something, so I guess I was wrong in my previous post.
Rangers, that you're a lawyer only indicates to me that the state in which you live should grade its bar exam a lot tougher than it did when you took it. I went to law school & there were a few people in my class who passed the California bar the 1st time even though I didn't think they were intelligent enough to tie my shoes, no less represent me in a court. I feel the same way about other lawyers who post on here regularly.
Aside from one case I Googled in about a minute about a woman convicted of child abuse for merely pouring hot sauce in her 7 year old's mouth, I'm not about to waste my time finding any # of cases similar to AP's situation in which defendants were proven guilty & what their punishment was. I'm sure it varies from state to state & what the exact circumstances were. I wouldn't merely take your word that it never happens. Considering AP has a "whooping room" in his house, I'm sure some # of other instances of him beating his kids will come to light soon.
press conference. Disturbing to say the least. Hiding behind the legal process here to determine punishment is a complete joke. I know it was the owners decision and he's just speaking for Spielman, which is comical. The owner should be doing that press conference.
Spielman said they will let the legal system determine if he did anything wrong.
Why do they need the legal system? Peterson admits he put a "whoopin" on him, and there are photos. Use common sense and your eyes and you can determine that he did something majorly wrong.
The Vikings are gutless. Disgraceful from their owner, who grew up a Giants fan.
If AP were any other Joe Blow on the Vikings rather than their best player, he'd have been dust for the season in less than a NY second, due process or not.
BTW, how many of the people who don't think AP should be punished or even convicted would think that way if their kid threw a baseball that broke AP's window & he beat their kid like he did his own? How many of those people would think that way if it were their own balls that were whipped that way by a 210 pound player? How many of those people would want AP watching their kids for a few days? Go ahead & call these straw men if you like but I'm just curious to see opinions when they hit closer to home.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO.
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO. Link to the Texas AG publication - ( New Window )
I agree .. what is reasonable to one is not to another. To me personally .. what Peterson did was wrong and I cannot see how anyone could justify it. Let the courts decide. That's why they are there. In the court of public opinion he is already done.
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just shove the kid off. I heard it was much more nasty than that...
Did he take a switch and bloody up the other kid while shoving leaves in his mouth, 'cause that would be sick.
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this and Ray Rice is stomach turning.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
It just amazes me how if you don't think a person needs to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life and his life ruined that it means you somehow support the guy's offense. As someone said earlier, it's like if you don't jump on the bandwagon with pitchforks ready with everyone else, well then you that means you support child abuse! I don't view things so black and white.
Wanna feel really sick to your stomach? Try LOOKING at what he did instead of just reading about it.
AP whipped a 4 year old boy to the point of needing medical care for his injuries.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Seems like some of you are losing sight of the fact the kid's a fucking snitch.
Seems like some of you are losing sight of the fact the kid's a fucking snitch.
Peterson is probably adding a stitches room to his house right now.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
Why would I stop watching? Because one person did something that is against your perception of what is right or wrong. Kills me the lack of common sense on these boards. One guy does not make the NFL and just because the NFL is not doing what you think is right they should be banned. What if he spanked him and someone said .. We need to stop watching the NFL because he spanked his kid. Would you agree? Is your idea of right and wrong the same as his? It is your view and if you want to stop watching .. by all means go right on ahead. Assuming that the big bad NFL wants this stuff and actively criminals .. hahaha. Laughable.
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I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Once again I say "who am I to judge and who am I to say what is right or wrong for his family"? Look, I do not agree with the switch but to assume that you or I have the right to judge what behavior did deserve or didn't deserve punishment .. you get my point. I think too many people put their noses into situations that are none of their business. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagreeing or agreeing. Right or wrong .. did they deserve punishment or not .. my life is too busy to worry or let alone care what Peterson did or didn't do. The end result is .. how is this going to affect my life. Not one iota.
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not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
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life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
Considering you are a Dylan fan you probably did way too much acid to even understand and / or comprehend my point, but I will try anyway. Where did I say that I believe a convicted murderer should be allowed to play in the NFL? It is beyond stupid for you to compare a murderer with someone who has been accused of child endangerment. If you think those two things are one in the same then you my friend may be the dumbest person on earth. Anyone with half a brain would know that I was talking about both the Rice and the Petersons cases. in both cases I don't think either player should be banned for life.
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not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
Listen you have a different opinion than me and some others on the board. However there is no need 2 throw out insults because you feel differently. I did insult you in response to your insults but that was wrong and it is not my style. You have a right to your opinion but once you get away from that and start insulting others for theirs then you are wrong. Most of the time I find that those who attack your views and call you names are the same people who are not intelligent enough to debate the issue.
I like your sense of humor
- Cris Carter
[quote] I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison. [/quote i
I am a lawyer and deal with cases in both the family court and criminal court involving domestic abuse and child abuse issues. I can tell you based upon my knowledge of both the Peterson and Rice cases that it doesn't matter who they are, football players, janitors, unemployed laborers, they would not do one day in jail. I don't like going around calling people stupid or imbeciles or dumb like you do when they don't agree with me. My opinions are based upon experience and practicality. I have a strong moral code and I try to teach my son the difference between right and wrong. I also realize that we all make mistakes in life and that no one is immune. I think some people here are of the opinion that Peterson did this because of some perverse pleasure like he enjoyed it.I am of the opinion that he did not and at least in his mind thought he was doing the right thing.I think we can all agree that he went over the line and was wrong and the best thing that could happen here for both the boy and him is for this not to happen again and for Peterson to be educated in other forms of discipline. If you believe I am stupid for thinking that way, that is of course your prerogative. However if that is your opinion I think it says more about you then about me.
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your ex-wife at this point.
I like your sense of humor
Bwahahahaha, too funny!
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
And of course bad thins could mean anything. If you read the entire context of my post you would realize that I was speaking about the rice and peterson incidents and how if we banned everyone who did something bad we wouldn't have much of a league. Nowhere in my statement did I say we should not ban certain people. It should go without saying and I think everyone would agree that a convicted murderer even if he is out of prison should not be allowed to play in the NFL. I would also say that a convicted rapist should never be allowed to play in the NFL. Again, that is only my opinion but i think most would be on board with that. However I will repeat that comparing what rice and Peterson did to convicted murderers and rapists in prison is beyond ridiculous
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
Yeah because it's the NFL's fault for what Peterson and Rice did. Hahaha, have to laugh at the stupidity here. Uh oh, let me go grab my pitchfork and torch .. quick, where is the tar and feathers? Goodell, it is all your fault!!! To think that the NFL would not try and get this right in today's climate with the whole Rice fiasco. Hahaha, the NFL for all intensive purposes is a business. For someone to think that they would not act like one is ludicrous and not thinking with their head. In the end, Peterson will most likely be banned for life or suffer a one year suspension. To some that will seem excessive and to others it will not be enough. Everyone thinks their view is the moral authority and no matter what happens some will disagree and others won't. It just depends on where you are on the pendulum. It blows my mind that people want blood before anyone has been convicted. I guess guilty before trial. By his own admission and to most that read these boards .. he was wrong. Should the NFL ban him immediately? What happens if he is found innocent. What about due process or does that matter anymore? Just playing devils advocate here. As I stated earlier the NFL is a business and they will judge based on public opinion and what the pocket books can support. Right or wrong .. that is our society.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
I agree .. completely wrong.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
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"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
OMG, Hahahaha ..
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Now there's a neat idea. Sterilize those that don't share your "enlightened opinion". Wow
I am not certain what you do but I disagree that most would be terminated from their job
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As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Yes, you are right in the things you listed such as woman's rights, equality, etc. We have come miles and miles from where we were 50-75 years ago. However, what I listed is also a departure of where we were 50-75 years ago to the other side of the spectrum. I was just making a point that what we give up in one area we sometimes lose in another. Does one have an effect on the other? Who knows. You are right that personal freedoms and equality are at all time high and yes these things are better than they were. I agree with you completely but what I said was not in regards to equality nor the strides we have made as a society. My point is that parenting today is not like it was yesterday and that there is a clear divergence from yesterday to today and you can see it in the kids today. I see parents blaming TV, society, schools, etc. instead of taking responsibility for their inaction as parents. I see prescription drugs given to kids at an all time high. I see parents who lack backbone and parents who are afraid to discipline their child for fear of not being liked. You are right in many ways and yes we are enlightened. There is always room for improvement. Who knows though.
At what point does this become something we leave out of NFL discussion. Goodell wanted a far reaching conduct policy. He got one.
Congradu-fucking-Lations
If he used a gun in Texas to beat the child there probably wouldn't have been any charges.
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Still applauding?
At what point does this become something we leave out of NFL discussion. Goodell wanted a far reaching conduct policy. He got one.
Congradu-fucking-Lations
If he used a gun in Texas to beat the child there probably wouldn't have been any charges.
Always nice to see some stupid on the other side of the equation.
Source: KHOU 11 on Twitter
Not sure if this is the first example of some identifiable financial penalty attributable to Peterson's misconduct (or Rice's conduct, or Hardy's conduct, etc.), nor is it clear how much the Vikings stand to lose if Radisson does terminate its sponsorship, but regardless, it will be interesting to see if other corporate sponsors follow Radisson's lead.
Radisson statement - ( New Window )
See, even you may have just learned something, so I guess I was wrong in my previous post.
Rangers, that you're a lawyer only indicates to me that the state in which you live should grade its bar exam a lot tougher than it did when you took it. I went to law school & there were a few people in my class who passed the California bar the 1st time even though I didn't think they were intelligent enough to tie my shoes, no less represent me in a court. I feel the same way about other lawyers who post on here regularly.
Aside from one case I Googled in about a minute about a woman convicted of child abuse for merely pouring hot sauce in her 7 year old's mouth, I'm not about to waste my time finding any # of cases similar to AP's situation in which defendants were proven guilty & what their punishment was. I'm sure it varies from state to state & what the exact circumstances were. I wouldn't merely take your word that it never happens. Considering AP has a "whooping room" in his house, I'm sure some # of other instances of him beating his kids will come to light soon.
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Spielman said they will let the legal system determine if he did anything wrong.
Why do they need the legal system? Peterson admits he put a "whoopin" on him, and there are photos. Use common sense and your eyes and you can determine that he did something majorly wrong.
The Vikings are gutless. Disgraceful from their owner, who grew up a Giants fan.
BTW, how many of the people who don't think AP should be punished or even convicted would think that way if their kid threw a baseball that broke AP's window & he beat their kid like he did his own? How many of those people would think that way if it were their own balls that were whipped that way by a 210 pound player? How many of those people would want AP watching their kids for a few days? Go ahead & call these straw men if you like but I'm just curious to see opinions when they hit closer to home.