In this current climate, and the vikes would take the lead if the commish didnt. So I am a bit surprised based on this new world we have entered over this past week, which was very much a bc/ad type time period marker when it comes to nfl discipline
but im not as surprised as those who thought hed never play again.
I'm sure plenty of people will be up in arms about this and will make their voices heard. The NFL might have to go into damage control and do something.
no matter what his intentions were/are/might've been, IMO what he did could be considered child abuse and therefore I'm not sure if I agree with him being reinstated so quickly.
I don't see how this can't be considered child abuse.
I would think the same thing but I was under the impression that the charges brought up against him weren't necessarily for child abuse but a somewhat lesser charge (like child neglect and/or endangerment)? I don't know much about child abuse and the different levels that fall under that umbrella so if I'm mistaken then my bad. I'm just going off of what the charges were that were brought against him.
that this due process issue cannot be left up to each club separately. The pressure to compete for some teams has become more important than the simple concept of doing the right thing. Profits > morals. The NFL needs to take a new look at their own rules and regs.
Not trying to call you out or anything. Just giving my opinion that there isn't grey area here, it's child abuse to leave marks like that on a kid.
I agree 100%. That's why I was kind of confused when I heard what exactly he was being charged with because it seemed like he was being charged with something that's a bit more benign (like leaving your kid in a car in the parking lot... which is still bad by the way) than actual child abuse. Again, I'm may be wrong but that's the impression I got from what the charges sound like.
He was charged with “recklessly or by criminal negligence causing Â
I like watching him play football and that's as far as my relationship with him goes.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
As cut and dry here as some think. Remember the grand jury did not indict him at first. I am familiar with the grand jury process and over 99% of cases which are brought to the grand jury result in indictments. The old saying is you can indict a ham sandwich. I do not advocate doing what Peterson did and would never harm my child, however I will say that a lot of good people will physically discipline their children. However Peterson obviously took it way too far. Hopefully the public profile of this case will educate people regarding where you draw the line. My heart breaks for that little boy.
it usually starts out as Endangering the welfare of a child. as the court process goes on, more charges can be brought up as more evidence comes to light. It's very non-specific. It's an umbrella statement.
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
It may not to you but it did/does to me. Like I said, I don't know what the charges would be if he's being charged with child abuse or for doing something a bit more benign like leaving his kid in a car. I would think a child abuse charge would be called 'child abuse'. If I'm wrong about that, please forgive my ignorance.
decision by the Vikings. You don't need to let the legal situation play out, Peterson has already admitted he did it, there are pictures of the cuts and bruises as a result, they are hiding behind the legal system which is a joke. He should never play another down in the NFL
I like watching him play football and that's as far as my relationship with him goes.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
I don't hope he plays. Him being awesome at football and fun to watch isn't enough to overcome what he did. He needs to be away from football. Not my job to say for how long, but him playing this weekend is an absolute joke.
As my interest in the NFL slips as the days go on, I'd rather watch less talented and DESERVING players play. It's why i've focused my time to other sports and activities and will continue to do so.
decision by the Vikings. You don't need to let the legal situation play out, Peterson has already admitted he did it, there are pictures of the cuts and bruises as a result, they are hiding behind the legal system which is a joke. He should never play another down in the NFL
Now that is a huge overreaction
If the NFL decided to ban everyone who has done 1 thing bad in their.. Â
life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
he did something wrong, he lost a game, move on until there's other charges/decisions handed down. I think the team did the right thing.
as far as I know his first offense (a terrible one) is a first offense and everyone gets a second chance (or like 5 chances in the NFL). I hope he's remorseful and learns from this and in the end can use his stardom and money for good in this area - maybe even make it a team/league requirement of his return.
by what the little four year old buy who was beaten by this scumbag that this was not a one off occurrence. The NFL has murderers, rapists, dog fighters, wife beaters, child abusers in its employ, and even if that is a minority of players, that's becoming an identity of the league.
I don't know how this isn't worse than what Rice did Â
According to law-enforcement sources, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson beat his 4-year-old son with a tree branch as a form of punishment this summer, an incident that allegedly resulted in multiple injuries to the child. According to reports, Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County, Texas for injury to a child.
The “whooping” – as Peterson put it when interviewed by police – occurred in Spring, Texas, in May. Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game. As punishment, Peterson grabbed a tree branch – which he consistently referred to as a “switch” – removed the leaves and struck the child repeatedly.
The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face. The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
by what the little four year old buy who was beaten by this scumbag that this was not a one off occurrence. The NFL has murderers, rapists, dog fighters, wife beaters, child abusers in its employ, and even if that is a minority of players, that's becoming an identity of the league.
I would imagine that most sports do, but I am not sure any murderers play in any league.
what fans really want from the NFL? The NFL holds its players and coaches and employees to a higher standard than virtually any other industry going. If you an NFL player and fart the wrong way, you're suspended. You are drug tested constantly, even for just weed. IF you say something stupid on twitter, you're gonna be fined or worse. If you beat someone up, you're gonna be fined or suspended.
If any of us did what Peterson did, no one even hears about it. YOu won't lose your job or miss any time at work. You may lose your kid, but PEterson may lose his kid too.
And that's all fair. I think the NFL should hold its players to a high standard but i'm not sure why people feel compelled to kill the NFL for the way it's handling its dirty laundry lately. In my eyes they have come a long way the last 10-20 years. They really take no shit from anyone anymore.
Should Adrian Peterson really lose his job for the rest of his life over this? I'm not saying yes or no...but that's a serious punishment to give out. Think about it for a second...you're taking 10s of millions of dollars away from a guy. I'm not so sure it's the way to do here and I literally felt sick to my stomach when reading about what he did to his son. IT's still a slippery slope.
When it became apparent Hernandez was a murderer he was banned from the league. I am not sure what you do for a living Pork & Beans, but murderers can come from all walks of life. As far as Ray Lewis is concerned, I am not a Lewis fan by any means and in fact don't like him very much, but there has never been any proof that he murdered someone. He wasn't even charged so your point is an exaggeration.
and saying, come watch our gladiators fight. Violence, big hits, they hurt each other, its great. The myth being sold is that these are normal people who can ramp it up and get violent only between the lines, then be normal off the field. For most players that is true, but how many of us want to root for these guys and cheer them on, when it is becoming clear that some of them carry the violence into their lives, and the people we are rooting for may not be great people.
The stories we hear are likely the tip of the iceberg, as I am sure many stories get covered up, or never reported.
I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Problem is you don't know if those are his sentiments Â
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Agree 100%. No one condones what he did, but these proclamations that he should be locked up for life and banned from the league are silly.
some rumors that his son was acting very violent toward his other son (not just pushing him off a toy). I won't post the details because it is second hand info/hearsay. But hearing what I heard makes me understand why Peterson spanked his son and may have went a little overboard especially because he lost another son a year ago.
Either way he is a horrible father in my opinion and I hope he can change.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I don't know how much hope there is for a man who did that to a child's body and basically says, "no harm intended."
Hey, it's your right not to trust or believe him. I really don't care if you do or don't. I've chosen to believe him when he says it was an accident and will never happen again. If you don't, that's fine too. I don't feel the need to talk you into or belittling you in order for you to feel the same way I do about this topic.
RE: RE: RE: Problem is you don't know if those are his sentiments Â
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I personally don't hold that against him as long as he's taking care of him. Of course, it would be best if he didn't have all these kids by all these different women... I'm not denying that. But my personal feelings are that as long as he's taking care of his responsibilities as a parent for all of those children, then he's ok by me. Again, if you feel differently, I can respect that.
The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom. Â
Ok so lets banish Rice and Peterson for the rest of their lives, subject them to public ridicule and punchlines, take away any earning power that they have, all in the name of pounding our chest in the name of domestic violence and child abuse. The problem is people like you who will accuse anyone who takes my position or T-bones or some other posters on here, of being an enabler or supporter of domestic or child abuse. I can tell you from my perspective nothing could be further from the truth. I take my role as a dad incredibly seriously. I have spanked my kid but with my hand and I don't even do that any longer, although I think a legitimate debate exists about spanking. I have said and will repeat because I think you may need some help regarding comprehension that I believe what Peterson did was wrong, excessive, and over the line. I also said that this talk of yours that you are either with us, or against us nonsense is a stupid mentality. All I said is that he should not be suspended for life. You have every right to disagree, but don't misrepresent my position.
I can only trust that the NFL will deal with these Â
incidents on a case by case basis and will not over or under react due to outside influences. I would think AP would get a different penalty because it is a different incident. My guess is that the NFL goes lighter on him than Rice.
RE: The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom. Â
I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
He now knows that he can't leave evidence at least. Â
statements lead me to believe that he doesn't think what he did was wrong. He keeps talking about how he's not a child abuser and was just disciplining his kid, and he even talked about how he wouldnt be the man he is today without his mom instilling discipline in him and that she did the same stuff basically.
Bruises mean jack shit. My brother bruises just rubbing up against a wall. Some people bruise really easy whereas others don't. You could hit me with a bat and I will not bruise and I cannot even remember the last time I had one. My brother on the other hand .. hahaha, looks like he fell out of a tree and that is normal for him. If the grand jury originally decided to not indict there was probably a reason. Look I understand using a switch is bad but before everyone assumes he is beating his son with a wrench .. wait until after the court case. In today's day no one is ever innocent until proven guilty and for what it's worth .. those of us old folks remember that switch and it was common place at one time. The world today has become pussies and punishing your kid is against the law. Time out now Timmie .. give me your cell phone. Do I agree with a switch .. no! I hated the switch but guaranteed I smartened up real quick. This world has become a land of PC pussies that have parents seek medication rather than just being a parent. I applaud Peterson .. who am I to say what is right or wrong and who am I to say what the circumstances were. Once again .. I could care less how Peterson disciplines his kid.
Guess he will stick to soap in a sock in the whipping room Â
Re: Monsters--- in another lifetime, I worked on various cases of child abuse. Most often, ones where the child died at the hands of the mother or father. More often the father. These things go vastly unreported until it is too late. Why? the mother is financially dependent on the father, chances are she's getting beat too, or he promises never to do it again....any number of dysfunctional reasons.
I've sat there and combed through court reports and autopsies of several dead children. Often, the excuse is: I don't know what happened, I took it too far, I didn't mean for this to happen, I've never done this before, etc.
Then, it was my and my partners job along with the medical examiners to figure out the cause of death. We look at the dead child, hundreds of photos are taken during the autopsies. The child is laid to rest. Now come the late night hours in the office.
We read testimony, we look at picture. Back and forth, back and forth... testimony-pictures. We see the welts on the child's body that presumably caused the death. Then we see that the child tried to defend itself, or maybe it didn't. We have to determine, was the child conscious prior to the moment of death.
Then we have postmortem X-rays of the child. Often, we would see prior broken bones that were not set We have the medical records of the child. No broken bones reported.
We see the internal hemorrhages. We see the broken capillaries on the eyeballs (asphyxiation). We see burn marks. Wounds in the later stages of healing. We see every little thing that ever happened to the child prior to the incident where the mother of father went "overboard".
Most of the cases I worked on were Caucasian children. The last case I worked on was a 2 year old grandchild of a very prominent North Eastern Caucasian man.
That last case, I recall sitting on the floor surrounded by court printouts and hundreds of pictures from the autopsy. Eyeballs removed, the heart, all visceral organs, photos of the legs, arms, brain and that adorable little face. You sit there and you read the testimony from the father (in this case) who swears he didn't mean for it to happen. Then you think about the child. How can you fathom what that child or any other of the children's cases I worked on, felt in those last moments before death. Hopefully, they weren't conscious.... hopefully they went quickly. How terrifyingly scared where they each time a violent incident happened? Did they think they were just going to go to school or play with their friends the next day? Were they thinking of what to tell the teacher about the black eye? Why didn't this child try to defend him/herself? Why should this child have to be in this position?
What on earth did this child do that angered the parent so much? What did this child want to be when he or she grew up? What was his/her favorite toy? Are there siblings? What's going to come of them? Will I be working on their case next? The questions you go over in your head are heartbreaking.
"Overboard, didn't mean to, it only happened once".
Sorry I don't buy it. I've seen it too often.
Yes they are monsters, worse than any imaginary monster in any child's closet or under the bed.
those of us old folks remember that switch and it was common place at one time.
Just because it was an accepted practice in your day does not mean your parents weren't a piece of shit while doing it if the beatings were even close to doing the harm that Peterson did.
so at what point does the NFL say fuck the personal conduct policy Â
because this is going to be a very slippery slope for the NFL, and the watching audience, to sit in judgement of every member of this league in their personal lives.
yes it's been happening incrementally, but now with these two similar stories back to back it's clear the NFL is going to have a huge problem on its hands.
The Rice outcry was there after the video, the only thing Peterson has going for him is there was no video of him 'disciplining' his child. no video of him shoving leaves in the child's mouth and whipping the shit out of his 4 year old.
but... who are we to judge? NFL didn't have a problem suspending Rice for knocking out his girlfriend. How is that worse or so different than what Peterson did to his child?
in that I don't have a problem with parents using corporal punishment to discipline their children. I don't personally use it on my kids and don't feel it would be effective, but within limitations it's probably an effective tool for discipline.
maybe even much more so for some of the whiny, sniffley, every kid gets a trophy, affluence defense generation.
But yes, Peterson was going beyond what my moral high ground considers acceptable, and should be punished. I'm not sure what's appropriate, I feel like this is kind of new ground, punishing someone at work before they've been punished in court.
the people saying he should never play another down in the NFL seem (IMO) totally bat shit crazy with their overreaction and remind me of the "would someone think of the children" character on the simpsons.
kids are resilient. if the discipline dished out came when his kids deserved to be disciplined it isn't as much abuse as it is use of excessive force if there's a distinction. In my mind there is. If he's beating his kids for no reason or taking shit out on them, again that's different.
I personally can't fathom beating a 4-year old boy, but I'm also not going to judge a parent for disciplining their child the way they feel that child should be disciplined, the opposite is worse IMO (no discipline).
I'm sure I'm not making this point well or people will flame it, and I'm not sticking up for Peterson, who absolutely was over the top and should be punished, I'm only suggesting I differ on where that punishment meets the crime. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it's not lifetime ban or anything resembling that.
I'll hold off on flaming you, but want you to clarify. You saying that it's better to beat the fuck out of a small child rather than having no discipline at all if that's the way the parent feels is necessary?
Congratulations, you have survived the "terrible two's!" Hopefully, you have energy left to enjoy what lies ahead for you and your preschooler. They call the next few years the "magic years" -- partly because it seems like magic that your child is finally listening to you and partly because for your child, it is a time for his or her imagination to run wild.
Your 3- to 4-year-old child will continue to grow and develop in many ways in the coming year. Although children reach developmental milestones at different times, your child will likely achieve the following developmental milestones before he or she turns 5 years old.
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Language Milestones
If your child is not very talkative, that will likely change soon. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Say his or her name and age
Speak 250 to 500 words
Answer simple questions
Speak in sentences of five to six words, and speak in complete sentences by age 4
Speak clearly
Tell stories
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Cognitive Milestones
Your child will start asking lots and lots of questions. "Why is the sky blue? Why do birds have feathers?" Questions, questions, and more questions! While it may be annoying at times, asking questions is a normal developmental milestone. In addition to asking "why?" all the time, your 3- to 4-year-old should be able to:
Correctly name familiar colors
Understand the idea of same and different
Pretend and fantasize more creatively
Follow three-part commands
Remember parts of a story
Understand time better (for example, morning, afternoon, night)
Count, and understand the concept of counting
Sort objects by shape and color
Complete age-appropriate puzzles
Recognize and identify common objects and pictures
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Movement Milestones
Your busy preschooler continues to be on the move. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Walk up and down stairs, alternating feet -- one foot per step
Kick, throw, and catch a ball
Climb well
Run more confidently and ride a tricycle
Hop and stand on one foot for up to five seconds
Walk forward and backwards easily
Bend over without falling
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Hand and Finger Skills
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
More easily handle small objects and turn a page in a book
Use age-appropriate scissors
Copy circles and squares
Draw a person with two to four body parts
Write some capital letters
Build a tower with nine or more blocks
Dress and undress without your help
Screw and unscrew jar lids
Turn rotating handles
so now, i ask you, a kid that young should get a spanking or so but a fucking lashing with a "switch" is too much.. sorry but the prick is an idiot.
I'll hold off on flaming you, but want you to clarify. You saying that it's better to beat the fuck out of a small child rather than having no discipline at all if that's the way the parent feels is necessary?
No, I'm saying Peterson obviously went above and beyond and should be punished, but when delivered appropriately I think if a parent decides corporal punishment is their form of discipline I don't judge that decision. That (appropriately delivered physical punishment) is better than no discipline.
So, yeah Peterson should be punished, I'm not defending him, but I am defending a parents right to (with in the realms of common sense/responsibility) discipline their child.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
do not belong playing in the NFL, making millions of dollars. I 100% stand by that, you can disagree but with that you are fine with child abusers playing, I'm not. There is zero excuse for what he did, and the scary part is he sees nothing wrong with what he did. I'd bet he does it again.
Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
RE: RE: The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom. Â
I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
but the bastard can read a fucking play book... he knows somewhat right from wrong... but then reading his texts to his babys momma, he needs help and more time with this kids than being on a football field.
Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
They might decide to ban him for life, who knows what's going on in the NFL front office these days, that place is a train wreck. I'm saying IMO that punishment would not fit his crime. AS I KNOW HIS CRIME. If more details come out about his past or other issues, I reserve the right to change my mind.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Can't speak for Eric but I'm choosing to believe that he meant what he said whether it was his own words or something he was told to say by his attorney. If you don't want to believe him for whatever reason, then that's your choice.
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
I do not applaud the act of switching his 4 year old. No child in my estimation at that age deserves that nor would they really understand. I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way. Nothing more and nothing less.
Pork might be underestimating the amount of people who will support some of these athletes due to any number of idiotic reasons such as the team they play for, their disdain for women, the color of their skin, etc.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
The link is to a publication put out by the Texas Attorney General. It points out:
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO.
The link is to a publication put out by the Texas Attorney General. It points out:
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO. Link to the Texas AG publication - ( New Window )
I agree .. what is reasonable to one is not to another. To me personally .. what Peterson did was wrong and I cannot see how anyone could justify it. Let the courts decide. That's why they are there. In the court of public opinion he is already done.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
It just amazes me how if you don't think a person needs to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life and his life ruined that it means you somehow support the guy's offense. As someone said earlier, it's like if you don't jump on the bandwagon with pitchforks ready with everyone else, well then you that means you support child abuse! I don't view things so black and white.
life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
Why would I stop watching? Because one person did something that is against your perception of what is right or wrong. Kills me the lack of common sense on these boards. One guy does not make the NFL and just because the NFL is not doing what you think is right they should be banned. What if he spanked him and someone said .. We need to stop watching the NFL because he spanked his kid. Would you agree? Is your idea of right and wrong the same as his? It is your view and if you want to stop watching .. by all means go right on ahead. Assuming that the big bad NFL wants this stuff and actively criminals .. hahaha. Laughable.
I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Once again I say "who am I to judge and who am I to say what is right or wrong for his family"? Look, I do not agree with the switch but to assume that you or I have the right to judge what behavior did deserve or didn't deserve punishment .. you get my point. I think too many people put their noses into situations that are none of their business. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagreeing or agreeing. Right or wrong .. did they deserve punishment or not .. my life is too busy to worry or let alone care what Peterson did or didn't do. The end result is .. how is this going to affect my life. Not one iota.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
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life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
Considering you are a Dylan fan you probably did way too much acid to even understand and / or comprehend my point, but I will try anyway. Where did I say that I believe a convicted murderer should be allowed to play in the NFL? It is beyond stupid for you to compare a murderer with someone who has been accused of child endangerment. If you think those two things are one in the same then you my friend may be the dumbest person on earth. Anyone with half a brain would know that I was talking about both the Rice and the Petersons cases. in both cases I don't think either player should be banned for life.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
Listen you have a different opinion than me and some others on the board. However there is no need 2 throw out insults because you feel differently. I did insult you in response to your insults but that was wrong and it is not my style. You have a right to your opinion but once you get away from that and start insulting others for theirs then you are wrong. Most of the time I find that those who attack your views and call you names are the same people who are not intelligent enough to debate the issue.
Hey, shithead, maybe you should learn how to comprehend your own fucking post. One "bad thing" in their life could mean ANY "bad thing," including murder. How many "bad things" & what types of them should a player be allowed to do before the NFL acts upon them? You apparently don't think abusing a 4 year old is sufficient for that & I don't have half a brain? BTW, since when are Bob Dylan fans known for doing a bunch of acid? What alternate world have you lived in?
I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison.
In comment 11864840 Dylan fan said:
[quote] I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison. [/quote i
I am a lawyer and deal with cases in both the family court and criminal court involving domestic abuse and child abuse issues. I can tell you based upon my knowledge of both the Peterson and Rice cases that it doesn't matter who they are, football players, janitors, unemployed laborers, they would not do one day in jail. I don't like going around calling people stupid or imbeciles or dumb like you do when they don't agree with me. My opinions are based upon experience and practicality. I have a strong moral code and I try to teach my son the difference between right and wrong. I also realize that we all make mistakes in life and that no one is immune. I think some people here are of the opinion that Peterson did this because of some perverse pleasure like he enjoyed it.I am of the opinion that he did not and at least in his mind thought he was doing the right thing.I think we can all agree that he went over the line and was wrong and the best thing that could happen here for both the boy and him is for this not to happen again and for Peterson to be educated in other forms of discipline. If you believe I am stupid for thinking that way, that is of course your prerogative. However if that is your opinion I think it says more about you then about me.
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Hey, shithead, maybe you should learn how to comprehend your own fucking post. One "bad thing" in their life could mean ANY "bad thing," including murder. How many "bad things" & what types of them should a player be allowed to do before the NFL acts upon them? You apparently don't think abusing a 4 year old is sufficient for that & I don't have half a brain? BTW, since when are Bob Dylan fans known for doing a bunch of acid? What alternate world have you lived in?
And of course bad thins could mean anything. If you read the entire context of my post you would realize that I was speaking about the rice and peterson incidents and how if we banned everyone who did something bad we wouldn't have much of a league. Nowhere in my statement did I say we should not ban certain people. It should go without saying and I think everyone would agree that a convicted murderer even if he is out of prison should not be allowed to play in the NFL. I would also say that a convicted rapist should never be allowed to play in the NFL. Again, that is only my opinion but i think most would be on board with that. However I will repeat that comparing what rice and Peterson did to convicted murderers and rapists in prison is beyond ridiculous
of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
Yeah because it's the NFL's fault for what Peterson and Rice did. Hahaha, have to laugh at the stupidity here. Uh oh, let me go grab my pitchfork and torch .. quick, where is the tar and feathers? Goodell, it is all your fault!!! To think that the NFL would not try and get this right in today's climate with the whole Rice fiasco. Hahaha, the NFL for all intensive purposes is a business. For someone to think that they would not act like one is ludicrous and not thinking with their head. In the end, Peterson will most likely be banned for life or suffer a one year suspension. To some that will seem excessive and to others it will not be enough. Everyone thinks their view is the moral authority and no matter what happens some will disagree and others won't. It just depends on where you are on the pendulum. It blows my mind that people want blood before anyone has been convicted. I guess guilty before trial. By his own admission and to most that read these boards .. he was wrong. Should the NFL ban him immediately? What happens if he is found innocent. What about due process or does that matter anymore? Just playing devils advocate here. As I stated earlier the NFL is a business and they will judge based on public opinion and what the pocket books can support. Right or wrong .. that is our society.
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
if I get caught giving my kid a "whipping" I will lose my job. Most people here would lose their jobs. It is because of collective bargaining, and the fact that Peterson is so good at what he does, that has him still receiving a paycheck. So this fear about punishment without a conviction misses the point. People get punished for picking up charges all the time. Convictions make it easier for the league to justify suspension without pay to the union, but they do not have much of a bearing on whether punishment is or isn't morally right.
if I get caught giving my kid a "whipping" I will lose my job. Most people here would lose their jobs. It is because of collective bargaining, and the fact that Peterson is so good at what he does, that has him still receiving a paycheck. So this fear about punishment without a conviction misses the point. People get punished for picking up charges all the time. Convictions make it easier for the league to justify suspension without pay to the union, but they do not have much of a bearing on whether punishment is or isn't morally right.
I am not certain what you do but I disagree that most would be terminated from their job
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Yes, you are right in the things you listed such as woman's rights, equality, etc. We have come miles and miles from where we were 50-75 years ago. However, what I listed is also a departure of where we were 50-75 years ago to the other side of the spectrum. I was just making a point that what we give up in one area we sometimes lose in another. Does one have an effect on the other? Who knows. You are right that personal freedoms and equality are at all time high and yes these things are better than they were. I agree with you completely but what I said was not in regards to equality nor the strides we have made as a society. My point is that parenting today is not like it was yesterday and that there is a clear divergence from yesterday to today and you can see it in the kids today. I see parents blaming TV, society, schools, etc. instead of taking responsibility for their inaction as parents. I see prescription drugs given to kids at an all time high. I see parents who lack backbone and parents who are afraid to discipline their child for fear of not being liked. You are right in many ways and yes we are enlightened. There is always room for improvement. Who knows though.
According to the news station, one of Peterson's four-year-old son's was disciplined by Peterson for cursing at one of his siblings. The boy sustained a scar over his right eye. Peterson has at least five children with multiple different women, and is believed to have as many as seven kids out of wedlock. If more information comes to light, the Vikings could discipline Peterson yet again.
he inflicted injuries on him that were visible days after. The child is afraid of him. That is child abuse. AP is a sick fuck. I don't know if he should go to jail, but he definitely needs some kind of counseling and not to be alone with the kids.
Radisson is suspending its sponsorship of the Vikings Â
The link attached below is the official statement from Radisson's parent company. Radisson sponsors the Vikings' press conferences.
Not sure if this is the first example of some identifiable financial penalty attributable to Peterson's misconduct (or Rice's conduct, or Hardy's conduct, etc.), nor is it clear how much the Vikings stand to lose if Radisson does terminate its sponsorship, but regardless, it will be interesting to see if other corporate sponsors follow Radisson's lead. Radisson statement - ( New Window )
Tried to link to your post above but it wouldn't. Due process applies ONLY to the government, not people or businesses. In other words, the NFL can do whatevever the hell it wants to players as long as the collective bargaining agreement with the players union allows it. The agreement mentions nothing about requiring the government to give players due process (i.e., a trial & whatnot) before a player can be suspended considering players have been suspended before they were even so much as CHARGED, no less CONVICTED, for only smoking pot, which I think even the likes of you would agree is far less damaging to the NFL's image than a 210 pound player beating his 4 year old kid with a stick 10-15 times until he bled. You, me, the Vikings & the NFL can think whatever they want about the situation & it has no bearing on due process whatsoever. If a jury in his case thinks what he did wasn't child abuse under the law, that would still not prevent any of the aforementioned from STILL believing what he did was child abuse & doing as they see fit re AP to the extent they could do anything to him. Nobody is out on the streets w/ pitchforks & a rope to hang AP regardless what other posters have said. That would be even more wrong than what AP did, but that hasn't happened & isn't going to regardless of what other posters have said. For the record, I think he should get a few years in prison & nowhere near life, as some posters have said, whether that's hyperbole or not.
See, even you may have just learned something, so I guess I was wrong in my previous post.
Rangers, that you're a lawyer only indicates to me that the state in which you live should grade its bar exam a lot tougher than it did when you took it. I went to law school & there were a few people in my class who passed the California bar the 1st time even though I didn't think they were intelligent enough to tie my shoes, no less represent me in a court. I feel the same way about other lawyers who post on here regularly.
Aside from one case I Googled in about a minute about a woman convicted of child abuse for merely pouring hot sauce in her 7 year old's mouth, I'm not about to waste my time finding any # of cases similar to AP's situation in which defendants were proven guilty & what their punishment was. I'm sure it varies from state to state & what the exact circumstances were. I wouldn't merely take your word that it never happens. Considering AP has a "whooping room" in his house, I'm sure some # of other instances of him beating his kids will come to light soon.
press conference. Disturbing to say the least. Hiding behind the legal process here to determine punishment is a complete joke. I know it was the owners decision and he's just speaking for Spielman, which is comical. The owner should be doing that press conference.
Spielman said they will let the legal system determine if he did anything wrong.
Why do they need the legal system? Peterson admits he put a "whoopin" on him, and there are photos. Use common sense and your eyes and you can determine that he did something majorly wrong.
The Vikings are gutless. Disgraceful from their owner, who grew up a Giants fan.
If AP were any other Joe Blow on the Vikings rather than their best player, he'd have been dust for the season in less than a NY second, due process or not.
BTW, how many of the people who don't think AP should be punished or even convicted would think that way if their kid threw a baseball that broke AP's window & he beat their kid like he did his own? How many of those people would think that way if it were their own balls that were whipped that way by a 210 pound player? How many of those people would want AP watching their kids for a few days? Go ahead & call these straw men if you like but I'm just curious to see opinions when they hit closer to home.
From another standpoint, agree with Kanell. This is going to be interesting.
but im not as surprised as those who thought hed never play again.
Which is one week more than his 4 yr old son got.
Exactly. Teams thought process was probably "We ain't beating New England anyway, lets try to make ourselves look tough"
I would think the same thing but I was under the impression that the charges brought up against him weren't necessarily for child abuse but a somewhat lesser charge (like child neglect and/or endangerment)? I don't know much about child abuse and the different levels that fall under that umbrella so if I'm mistaken then my bad. I'm just going off of what the charges were that were brought against him.
I agree 100%. That's why I was kind of confused when I heard what exactly he was being charged with because it seemed like he was being charged with something that's a bit more benign (like leaving your kid in a car in the parking lot... which is still bad by the way) than actual child abuse. Again, I'm may be wrong but that's the impression I got from what the charges sound like.
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
It could be his last season playing if convicted but from a legal perspective I don't think that is happening.
If I were Peterson I'd donate my entire year's salary towards children's salaries though and seek psychological help
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
It may not to you but it did/does to me. Like I said, I don't know what the charges would be if he's being charged with child abuse or for doing something a bit more benign like leaving his kid in a car. I would think a child abuse charge would be called 'child abuse'. If I'm wrong about that, please forgive my ignorance.
You need more Badgers on your FF team.
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You need more Badgers on your FF team.
I already have Montee, Travis Beckum and Scott Tolzein on both my teams.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
I don't hope he plays. Him being awesome at football and fun to watch isn't enough to overcome what he did. He needs to be away from football. Not my job to say for how long, but him playing this weekend is an absolute joke.
As my interest in the NFL slips as the days go on, I'd rather watch less talented and DESERVING players play. It's why i've focused my time to other sports and activities and will continue to do so.
This one seems pretty cut and dry. He whipped a 4 year old boy and drew blood. This far exceeds what a drunk Ray Rice did IMO.
Now that is a huge overreaction
as far as I know his first offense (a terrible one) is a first offense and everyone gets a second chance (or like 5 chances in the NFL). I hope he's remorseful and learns from this and in the end can use his stardom and money for good in this area - maybe even make it a team/league requirement of his return.
According to law-enforcement sources, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson beat his 4-year-old son with a tree branch as a form of punishment this summer, an incident that allegedly resulted in multiple injuries to the child. According to reports, Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County, Texas for injury to a child.
The “whooping” – as Peterson put it when interviewed by police – occurred in Spring, Texas, in May. Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game. As punishment, Peterson grabbed a tree branch – which he consistently referred to as a “switch” – removed the leaves and struck the child repeatedly.
The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face. The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
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I would imagine that most sports do, but I am not sure any murderers play in any league.
He admitted to it, just like Rice did. So why the Rice suspension and non for AP?
If any of us did what Peterson did, no one even hears about it. YOu won't lose your job or miss any time at work. You may lose your kid, but PEterson may lose his kid too.
And that's all fair. I think the NFL should hold its players to a high standard but i'm not sure why people feel compelled to kill the NFL for the way it's handling its dirty laundry lately. In my eyes they have come a long way the last 10-20 years. They really take no shit from anyone anymore.
Should Adrian Peterson really lose his job for the rest of his life over this? I'm not saying yes or no...but that's a serious punishment to give out. Think about it for a second...you're taking 10s of millions of dollars away from a guy. I'm not so sure it's the way to do here and I literally felt sick to my stomach when reading about what he did to his son. IT's still a slippery slope.
maybe he should become a minister..... that uses rulers on kids!
When it became apparent Hernandez was a murderer he was banned from the league. I am not sure what you do for a living Pork & Beans, but murderers can come from all walks of life. As far as Ray Lewis is concerned, I am not a Lewis fan by any means and in fact don't like him very much, but there has never been any proof that he murdered someone. He wasn't even charged so your point is an exaggeration.
The stories we hear are likely the tip of the iceberg, as I am sure many stories get covered up, or never reported.
maybe he should become a minister..... that uses rulers on kids!
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You need more Badgers on your FF team.
Badgers! He don't need no stinkin' Badgers!
I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury.
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I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
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I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Agree 100%. No one condones what he did, but these proclamations that he should be locked up for life and banned from the league are silly.
Either way he is a horrible father in my opinion and I hope he can change.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
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Or just what the PR person decided to put out.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
Hey, it's your right not to trust or believe him. I really don't care if you do or don't. I've chosen to believe him when he says it was an accident and will never happen again. If you don't, that's fine too. I don't feel the need to talk you into or belittling you in order for you to feel the same way I do about this topic.
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Or just what the PR person decided to put out.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I personally don't hold that against him as long as he's taking care of him. Of course, it would be best if he didn't have all these kids by all these different women... I'm not denying that. But my personal feelings are that as long as he's taking care of his responsibilities as a parent for all of those children, then he's ok by me. Again, if you feel differently, I can respect that.
Ok so lets banish Rice and Peterson for the rest of their lives, subject them to public ridicule and punchlines, take away any earning power that they have, all in the name of pounding our chest in the name of domestic violence and child abuse. The problem is people like you who will accuse anyone who takes my position or T-bones or some other posters on here, of being an enabler or supporter of domestic or child abuse. I can tell you from my perspective nothing could be further from the truth. I take my role as a dad incredibly seriously. I have spanked my kid but with my hand and I don't even do that any longer, although I think a legitimate debate exists about spanking. I have said and will repeat because I think you may need some help regarding comprehension that I believe what Peterson did was wrong, excessive, and over the line. I also said that this talk of yours that you are either with us, or against us nonsense is a stupid mentality. All I said is that he should not be suspended for life. You have every right to disagree, but don't misrepresent my position.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
I've sat there and combed through court reports and autopsies of several dead children. Often, the excuse is: I don't know what happened, I took it too far, I didn't mean for this to happen, I've never done this before, etc.
Then, it was my and my partners job along with the medical examiners to figure out the cause of death. We look at the dead child, hundreds of photos are taken during the autopsies. The child is laid to rest. Now come the late night hours in the office.
We read testimony, we look at picture. Back and forth, back and forth... testimony-pictures. We see the welts on the child's body that presumably caused the death. Then we see that the child tried to defend itself, or maybe it didn't. We have to determine, was the child conscious prior to the moment of death.
Then we have postmortem X-rays of the child. Often, we would see prior broken bones that were not set We have the medical records of the child. No broken bones reported.
We see the internal hemorrhages. We see the broken capillaries on the eyeballs (asphyxiation). We see burn marks. Wounds in the later stages of healing. We see every little thing that ever happened to the child prior to the incident where the mother of father went "overboard".
Most of the cases I worked on were Caucasian children. The last case I worked on was a 2 year old grandchild of a very prominent North Eastern Caucasian man.
That last case, I recall sitting on the floor surrounded by court printouts and hundreds of pictures from the autopsy. Eyeballs removed, the heart, all visceral organs, photos of the legs, arms, brain and that adorable little face. You sit there and you read the testimony from the father (in this case) who swears he didn't mean for it to happen. Then you think about the child. How can you fathom what that child or any other of the children's cases I worked on, felt in those last moments before death. Hopefully, they weren't conscious.... hopefully they went quickly. How terrifyingly scared where they each time a violent incident happened? Did they think they were just going to go to school or play with their friends the next day? Were they thinking of what to tell the teacher about the black eye? Why didn't this child try to defend him/herself? Why should this child have to be in this position?
What on earth did this child do that angered the parent so much? What did this child want to be when he or she grew up? What was his/her favorite toy? Are there siblings? What's going to come of them? Will I be working on their case next? The questions you go over in your head are heartbreaking.
"Overboard, didn't mean to, it only happened once".
Sorry I don't buy it. I've seen it too often.
Yes they are monsters, worse than any imaginary monster in any child's closet or under the bed.
Bruises mean jackshit... ok buddy.
Just because it was an accepted practice in your day does not mean your parents weren't a piece of shit while doing it if the beatings were even close to doing the harm that Peterson did.
yes it's been happening incrementally, but now with these two similar stories back to back it's clear the NFL is going to have a huge problem on its hands.
The Rice outcry was there after the video, the only thing Peterson has going for him is there was no video of him 'disciplining' his child. no video of him shoving leaves in the child's mouth and whipping the shit out of his 4 year old.
but... who are we to judge? NFL didn't have a problem suspending Rice for knocking out his girlfriend. How is that worse or so different than what Peterson did to his child?
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as slaves was commonplace at one time, so I assume thats ok now right?
maybe even much more so for some of the whiny, sniffley, every kid gets a trophy, affluence defense generation.
But yes, Peterson was going beyond what my moral high ground considers acceptable, and should be punished. I'm not sure what's appropriate, I feel like this is kind of new ground, punishing someone at work before they've been punished in court.
the people saying he should never play another down in the NFL seem (IMO) totally bat shit crazy with their overreaction and remind me of the "would someone think of the children" character on the simpsons.
kids are resilient. if the discipline dished out came when his kids deserved to be disciplined it isn't as much abuse as it is use of excessive force if there's a distinction. In my mind there is. If he's beating his kids for no reason or taking shit out on them, again that's different.
I personally can't fathom beating a 4-year old boy, but I'm also not going to judge a parent for disciplining their child the way they feel that child should be disciplined, the opposite is worse IMO (no discipline).
I'm sure I'm not making this point well or people will flame it, and I'm not sticking up for Peterson, who absolutely was over the top and should be punished, I'm only suggesting I differ on where that punishment meets the crime. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it's not lifetime ban or anything resembling that.
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
Your 3- to 4-year-old child will continue to grow and develop in many ways in the coming year. Although children reach developmental milestones at different times, your child will likely achieve the following developmental milestones before he or she turns 5 years old.
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Language Milestones
If your child is not very talkative, that will likely change soon. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Say his or her name and age
Speak 250 to 500 words
Answer simple questions
Speak in sentences of five to six words, and speak in complete sentences by age 4
Speak clearly
Tell stories
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Cognitive Milestones
Your child will start asking lots and lots of questions. "Why is the sky blue? Why do birds have feathers?" Questions, questions, and more questions! While it may be annoying at times, asking questions is a normal developmental milestone. In addition to asking "why?" all the time, your 3- to 4-year-old should be able to:
Correctly name familiar colors
Understand the idea of same and different
Pretend and fantasize more creatively
Follow three-part commands
Remember parts of a story
Understand time better (for example, morning, afternoon, night)
Count, and understand the concept of counting
Sort objects by shape and color
Complete age-appropriate puzzles
Recognize and identify common objects and pictures
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Your busy preschooler continues to be on the move. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Walk up and down stairs, alternating feet -- one foot per step
Kick, throw, and catch a ball
Climb well
Run more confidently and ride a tricycle
Hop and stand on one foot for up to five seconds
Walk forward and backwards easily
Bend over without falling
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Hand and Finger Skills
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
More easily handle small objects and turn a page in a book
Use age-appropriate scissors
Copy circles and squares
Draw a person with two to four body parts
Write some capital letters
Build a tower with nine or more blocks
Dress and undress without your help
Screw and unscrew jar lids
Turn rotating handles
so now, i ask you, a kid that young should get a spanking or so but a fucking lashing with a "switch" is too much.. sorry but the prick is an idiot.
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
Not fucking snitch.
-- Adrian Peterson
No, I'm saying Peterson obviously went above and beyond and should be punished, but when delivered appropriately I think if a parent decides corporal punishment is their form of discipline I don't judge that decision. That (appropriately delivered physical punishment) is better than no discipline.
So, yeah Peterson should be punished, I'm not defending him, but I am defending a parents right to (with in the realms of common sense/responsibility) discipline their child.
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
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I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
This is pretty much how I feel. Well put.
If you don't think using a switch on his kid was right, why do you applaud him?
sorry but throw him out.
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Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
They might decide to ban him for life, who knows what's going on in the NFL front office these days, that place is a train wreck. I'm saying IMO that punishment would not fit his crime. AS I KNOW HIS CRIME. If more details come out about his past or other issues, I reserve the right to change my mind.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
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The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Can't speak for Eric but I'm choosing to believe that he meant what he said whether it was his own words or something he was told to say by his attorney. If you don't want to believe him for whatever reason, then that's your choice.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
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Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
At what point does this become something we leave out of NFL discussion. Goodell wanted a far reaching conduct policy. He got one.
Congradu-fucking-Lations
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO.
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As far as a conviction goes, he will be tried, if this ever goes to trial, by a jury in Montgomery County, Texas. Their "reasonable" can be a lot different than your "reasonable".
Any discipline was beyond the norm. A 4 year old shoving another kid to get at a video game, normal behavior for that age, warrants a scolding and a hug, of course, IMO. Link to the Texas AG publication - ( New Window )
I agree .. what is reasonable to one is not to another. To me personally .. what Peterson did was wrong and I cannot see how anyone could justify it. Let the courts decide. That's why they are there. In the court of public opinion he is already done.
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just shove the kid off. I heard it was much more nasty than that...
Did he take a switch and bloody up the other kid while shoving leaves in his mouth, 'cause that would be sick.
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this and Ray Rice is stomach turning.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
It just amazes me how if you don't think a person needs to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life and his life ruined that it means you somehow support the guy's offense. As someone said earlier, it's like if you don't jump on the bandwagon with pitchforks ready with everyone else, well then you that means you support child abuse! I don't view things so black and white.
Wanna feel really sick to your stomach? Try LOOKING at what he did instead of just reading about it.
AP whipped a 4 year old boy to the point of needing medical care for his injuries.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Seems like some of you are losing sight of the fact the kid's a fucking snitch.
Seems like some of you are losing sight of the fact the kid's a fucking snitch.
Peterson is probably adding a stitches room to his house right now.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
So by your estimation anyone who has an idea of discipline outside of yours is wrong? Did I not say switching a 4 year old is not right? I must be seeing things then. Oh, and the Ray Rice .. hahaha. There are greater tragedies in the world than a simple assault. Excuse me for not rushing out and jumping on the bandwagon. Come and talk to me in 6 months if you are still harping on an assault case. There are 10K per week. Excuse me for not falling apart.
Why would I stop watching? Because one person did something that is against your perception of what is right or wrong. Kills me the lack of common sense on these boards. One guy does not make the NFL and just because the NFL is not doing what you think is right they should be banned. What if he spanked him and someone said .. We need to stop watching the NFL because he spanked his kid. Would you agree? Is your idea of right and wrong the same as his? It is your view and if you want to stop watching .. by all means go right on ahead. Assuming that the big bad NFL wants this stuff and actively criminals .. hahaha. Laughable.
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I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way.
Before you applaud that, do you know the behavior that AP felt deserved discipline?
Once again I say "who am I to judge and who am I to say what is right or wrong for his family"? Look, I do not agree with the switch but to assume that you or I have the right to judge what behavior did deserve or didn't deserve punishment .. you get my point. I think too many people put their noses into situations that are none of their business. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagreeing or agreeing. Right or wrong .. did they deserve punishment or not .. my life is too busy to worry or let alone care what Peterson did or didn't do. The end result is .. how is this going to affect my life. Not one iota.
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not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
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life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
That's the single most stupid shit I've ever read on BBI, & holy fuck that's saying a lot. So if every player murdered someone or beat the crap out of their kids just once they should still be allowed to play?
Considering you are a Dylan fan you probably did way too much acid to even understand and / or comprehend my point, but I will try anyway. Where did I say that I believe a convicted murderer should be allowed to play in the NFL? It is beyond stupid for you to compare a murderer with someone who has been accused of child endangerment. If you think those two things are one in the same then you my friend may be the dumbest person on earth. Anyone with half a brain would know that I was talking about both the Rice and the Petersons cases. in both cases I don't think either player should be banned for life.
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not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
You're an utter asshole if you think it's batshit crazy for someone to think that a league that considers it's players role models & stands on the side of morality, legality & righteousness for them would want to ban a player who didn't only slap his 4 year old, but beat him 10-15 times with an object by his own admission til he bled all over his body, including his balls. I guess you must have thought whipping slaves was acceptable punishment as well.
Listen you have a different opinion than me and some others on the board. However there is no need 2 throw out insults because you feel differently. I did insult you in response to your insults but that was wrong and it is not my style. You have a right to your opinion but once you get away from that and start insulting others for theirs then you are wrong. Most of the time I find that those who attack your views and call you names are the same people who are not intelligent enough to debate the issue.
I like your sense of humor
- Cris Carter
[quote] I'm definitely intelligent enough to debate this or any other issue on this board, which has at an astonishing rate increasingly become over-run with assholes & imbicles for the last several years IMO. I guess posters who think people should only get a slap on the wrist at most for abusing 4 year olds just piss me off immensely. Instead of responding I realize I would have been better off just getting out of this discussion altogether, because I'm not going to change the opinions of imbeciles & assholes. Hope you enjoy watching a bunch of other shitheads like Rice & AP play football til they're hopefully convicted & in prison. [/quote i
I am a lawyer and deal with cases in both the family court and criminal court involving domestic abuse and child abuse issues. I can tell you based upon my knowledge of both the Peterson and Rice cases that it doesn't matter who they are, football players, janitors, unemployed laborers, they would not do one day in jail. I don't like going around calling people stupid or imbeciles or dumb like you do when they don't agree with me. My opinions are based upon experience and practicality. I have a strong moral code and I try to teach my son the difference between right and wrong. I also realize that we all make mistakes in life and that no one is immune. I think some people here are of the opinion that Peterson did this because of some perverse pleasure like he enjoyed it.I am of the opinion that he did not and at least in his mind thought he was doing the right thing.I think we can all agree that he went over the line and was wrong and the best thing that could happen here for both the boy and him is for this not to happen again and for Peterson to be educated in other forms of discipline. If you believe I am stupid for thinking that way, that is of course your prerogative. However if that is your opinion I think it says more about you then about me.
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your ex-wife at this point.
I like your sense of humor
Bwahahahaha, too funny!
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
And of course bad thins could mean anything. If you read the entire context of my post you would realize that I was speaking about the rice and peterson incidents and how if we banned everyone who did something bad we wouldn't have much of a league. Nowhere in my statement did I say we should not ban certain people. It should go without saying and I think everyone would agree that a convicted murderer even if he is out of prison should not be allowed to play in the NFL. I would also say that a convicted rapist should never be allowed to play in the NFL. Again, that is only my opinion but i think most would be on board with that. However I will repeat that comparing what rice and Peterson did to convicted murderers and rapists in prison is beyond ridiculous
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of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
Yeah because it's the NFL's fault for what Peterson and Rice did. Hahaha, have to laugh at the stupidity here. Uh oh, let me go grab my pitchfork and torch .. quick, where is the tar and feathers? Goodell, it is all your fault!!! To think that the NFL would not try and get this right in today's climate with the whole Rice fiasco. Hahaha, the NFL for all intensive purposes is a business. For someone to think that they would not act like one is ludicrous and not thinking with their head. In the end, Peterson will most likely be banned for life or suffer a one year suspension. To some that will seem excessive and to others it will not be enough. Everyone thinks their view is the moral authority and no matter what happens some will disagree and others won't. It just depends on where you are on the pendulum. It blows my mind that people want blood before anyone has been convicted. I guess guilty before trial. By his own admission and to most that read these boards .. he was wrong. Should the NFL ban him immediately? What happens if he is found innocent. What about due process or does that matter anymore? Just playing devils advocate here. As I stated earlier the NFL is a business and they will judge based on public opinion and what the pocket books can support. Right or wrong .. that is our society.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
I agree .. completely wrong.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
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"just using corporal punishment" with his very young son, let's read the details again and if you aren't disgusted, or if you think this is OK, your mom should be punched in her head.
"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”"
Now you are advocating physical violence against mothers if their offspring don't agree with your obviously morally superior opinion? What kind of person does that?
OMG, Hahahaha ..
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Now there's a neat idea. Sterilize those that don't share your "enlightened opinion". Wow
I am not certain what you do but I disagree that most would be terminated from their job
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As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
So much patently incorrect here.
Teen pregnancy is not at an all time high, in fact it is on decline.
I'm not going to go through all of your rant...that was just a big one.
While I commend and agree with your point that things could be so much better than they are now, your wild inaccuracies and mischaracterization of modern society compared to where we were just 50-75yrs ago completely loses me.
Like it or not, we live in the most enlightened society in the history of the human race. Gone are the days of children quitting school at 10 to work in the factory, girls being married off at 12, minorities having separate facilities, women not being able to hold office or vote, blacks being denied basic rights, and women and children legally being beaten and abused by their parents as if they were property.
We don't live in the end times- we live in a time of the greatest equality for all humans regardless of creed, sex , age, or race. Just the idea that we're debating whether a millionaire father should lose his job or not because of the abuse he doled out on his child is proof of that.
Yes, you are right in the things you listed such as woman's rights, equality, etc. We have come miles and miles from where we were 50-75 years ago. However, what I listed is also a departure of where we were 50-75 years ago to the other side of the spectrum. I was just making a point that what we give up in one area we sometimes lose in another. Does one have an effect on the other? Who knows. You are right that personal freedoms and equality are at all time high and yes these things are better than they were. I agree with you completely but what I said was not in regards to equality nor the strides we have made as a society. My point is that parenting today is not like it was yesterday and that there is a clear divergence from yesterday to today and you can see it in the kids today. I see parents blaming TV, society, schools, etc. instead of taking responsibility for their inaction as parents. I see prescription drugs given to kids at an all time high. I see parents who lack backbone and parents who are afraid to discipline their child for fear of not being liked. You are right in many ways and yes we are enlightened. There is always room for improvement. Who knows though.
At what point does this become something we leave out of NFL discussion. Goodell wanted a far reaching conduct policy. He got one.
Congradu-fucking-Lations
If he used a gun in Texas to beat the child there probably wouldn't have been any charges.
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Still applauding?
At what point does this become something we leave out of NFL discussion. Goodell wanted a far reaching conduct policy. He got one.
Congradu-fucking-Lations
If he used a gun in Texas to beat the child there probably wouldn't have been any charges.
Always nice to see some stupid on the other side of the equation.
Source: KHOU 11 on Twitter
Not sure if this is the first example of some identifiable financial penalty attributable to Peterson's misconduct (or Rice's conduct, or Hardy's conduct, etc.), nor is it clear how much the Vikings stand to lose if Radisson does terminate its sponsorship, but regardless, it will be interesting to see if other corporate sponsors follow Radisson's lead.
Radisson statement - ( New Window )
See, even you may have just learned something, so I guess I was wrong in my previous post.
Rangers, that you're a lawyer only indicates to me that the state in which you live should grade its bar exam a lot tougher than it did when you took it. I went to law school & there were a few people in my class who passed the California bar the 1st time even though I didn't think they were intelligent enough to tie my shoes, no less represent me in a court. I feel the same way about other lawyers who post on here regularly.
Aside from one case I Googled in about a minute about a woman convicted of child abuse for merely pouring hot sauce in her 7 year old's mouth, I'm not about to waste my time finding any # of cases similar to AP's situation in which defendants were proven guilty & what their punishment was. I'm sure it varies from state to state & what the exact circumstances were. I wouldn't merely take your word that it never happens. Considering AP has a "whooping room" in his house, I'm sure some # of other instances of him beating his kids will come to light soon.
In case of Adrian Peterson, winning trumps all for Vikings - ( New Window )
Spielman said they will let the legal system determine if he did anything wrong.
Why do they need the legal system? Peterson admits he put a "whoopin" on him, and there are photos. Use common sense and your eyes and you can determine that he did something majorly wrong.
The Vikings are gutless. Disgraceful from their owner, who grew up a Giants fan.
BTW, how many of the people who don't think AP should be punished or even convicted would think that way if their kid threw a baseball that broke AP's window & he beat their kid like he did his own? How many of those people would think that way if it were their own balls that were whipped that way by a 210 pound player? How many of those people would want AP watching their kids for a few days? Go ahead & call these straw men if you like but I'm just curious to see opinions when they hit closer to home.