In this current climate, and the vikes would take the lead if the commish didnt. So I am a bit surprised based on this new world we have entered over this past week, which was very much a bc/ad type time period marker when it comes to nfl discipline
but im not as surprised as those who thought hed never play again.
I'm sure plenty of people will be up in arms about this and will make their voices heard. The NFL might have to go into damage control and do something.
no matter what his intentions were/are/might've been, IMO what he did could be considered child abuse and therefore I'm not sure if I agree with him being reinstated so quickly.
I don't see how this can't be considered child abuse.
I would think the same thing but I was under the impression that the charges brought up against him weren't necessarily for child abuse but a somewhat lesser charge (like child neglect and/or endangerment)? I don't know much about child abuse and the different levels that fall under that umbrella so if I'm mistaken then my bad. I'm just going off of what the charges were that were brought against him.
that this due process issue cannot be left up to each club separately. The pressure to compete for some teams has become more important than the simple concept of doing the right thing. Profits > morals. The NFL needs to take a new look at their own rules and regs.
Not trying to call you out or anything. Just giving my opinion that there isn't grey area here, it's child abuse to leave marks like that on a kid.
I agree 100%. That's why I was kind of confused when I heard what exactly he was being charged with because it seemed like he was being charged with something that's a bit more benign (like leaving your kid in a car in the parking lot... which is still bad by the way) than actual child abuse. Again, I'm may be wrong but that's the impression I got from what the charges sound like.
He was charged with “recklessly or by criminal negligence causing Â
I like watching him play football and that's as far as my relationship with him goes.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
As cut and dry here as some think. Remember the grand jury did not indict him at first. I am familiar with the grand jury process and over 99% of cases which are brought to the grand jury result in indictments. The old saying is you can indict a ham sandwich. I do not advocate doing what Peterson did and would never harm my child, however I will say that a lot of good people will physically discipline their children. However Peterson obviously took it way too far. Hopefully the public profile of this case will educate people regarding where you draw the line. My heart breaks for that little boy.
it usually starts out as Endangering the welfare of a child. as the court process goes on, more charges can be brought up as more evidence comes to light. It's very non-specific. It's an umbrella statement.
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
It may not to you but it did/does to me. Like I said, I don't know what the charges would be if he's being charged with child abuse or for doing something a bit more benign like leaving his kid in a car. I would think a child abuse charge would be called 'child abuse'. If I'm wrong about that, please forgive my ignorance.
decision by the Vikings. You don't need to let the legal situation play out, Peterson has already admitted he did it, there are pictures of the cuts and bruises as a result, they are hiding behind the legal system which is a joke. He should never play another down in the NFL
I like watching him play football and that's as far as my relationship with him goes.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
I don't hope he plays. Him being awesome at football and fun to watch isn't enough to overcome what he did. He needs to be away from football. Not my job to say for how long, but him playing this weekend is an absolute joke.
As my interest in the NFL slips as the days go on, I'd rather watch less talented and DESERVING players play. It's why i've focused my time to other sports and activities and will continue to do so.
decision by the Vikings. You don't need to let the legal situation play out, Peterson has already admitted he did it, there are pictures of the cuts and bruises as a result, they are hiding behind the legal system which is a joke. He should never play another down in the NFL
Now that is a huge overreaction
If the NFL decided to ban everyone who has done 1 thing bad in their.. Â
life, there would not be many players left. That goes for all sports, and can be applied to other occupations. The lynch mob mentality is rather disturbing.
he did something wrong, he lost a game, move on until there's other charges/decisions handed down. I think the team did the right thing.
as far as I know his first offense (a terrible one) is a first offense and everyone gets a second chance (or like 5 chances in the NFL). I hope he's remorseful and learns from this and in the end can use his stardom and money for good in this area - maybe even make it a team/league requirement of his return.
by what the little four year old buy who was beaten by this scumbag that this was not a one off occurrence. The NFL has murderers, rapists, dog fighters, wife beaters, child abusers in its employ, and even if that is a minority of players, that's becoming an identity of the league.
I don't know how this isn't worse than what Rice did Â
According to law-enforcement sources, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson beat his 4-year-old son with a tree branch as a form of punishment this summer, an incident that allegedly resulted in multiple injuries to the child. According to reports, Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County, Texas for injury to a child.
The “whooping” – as Peterson put it when interviewed by police – occurred in Spring, Texas, in May. Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game. As punishment, Peterson grabbed a tree branch – which he consistently referred to as a “switch” – removed the leaves and struck the child repeatedly.
The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face. The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
by what the little four year old buy who was beaten by this scumbag that this was not a one off occurrence. The NFL has murderers, rapists, dog fighters, wife beaters, child abusers in its employ, and even if that is a minority of players, that's becoming an identity of the league.
I would imagine that most sports do, but I am not sure any murderers play in any league.
what fans really want from the NFL? The NFL holds its players and coaches and employees to a higher standard than virtually any other industry going. If you an NFL player and fart the wrong way, you're suspended. You are drug tested constantly, even for just weed. IF you say something stupid on twitter, you're gonna be fined or worse. If you beat someone up, you're gonna be fined or suspended.
If any of us did what Peterson did, no one even hears about it. YOu won't lose your job or miss any time at work. You may lose your kid, but PEterson may lose his kid too.
And that's all fair. I think the NFL should hold its players to a high standard but i'm not sure why people feel compelled to kill the NFL for the way it's handling its dirty laundry lately. In my eyes they have come a long way the last 10-20 years. They really take no shit from anyone anymore.
Should Adrian Peterson really lose his job for the rest of his life over this? I'm not saying yes or no...but that's a serious punishment to give out. Think about it for a second...you're taking 10s of millions of dollars away from a guy. I'm not so sure it's the way to do here and I literally felt sick to my stomach when reading about what he did to his son. IT's still a slippery slope.
When it became apparent Hernandez was a murderer he was banned from the league. I am not sure what you do for a living Pork & Beans, but murderers can come from all walks of life. As far as Ray Lewis is concerned, I am not a Lewis fan by any means and in fact don't like him very much, but there has never been any proof that he murdered someone. He wasn't even charged so your point is an exaggeration.
and saying, come watch our gladiators fight. Violence, big hits, they hurt each other, its great. The myth being sold is that these are normal people who can ramp it up and get violent only between the lines, then be normal off the field. For most players that is true, but how many of us want to root for these guys and cheer them on, when it is becoming clear that some of them carry the violence into their lives, and the people we are rooting for may not be great people.
The stories we hear are likely the tip of the iceberg, as I am sure many stories get covered up, or never reported.
From another standpoint, agree with Kanell. This is going to be interesting.
but im not as surprised as those who thought hed never play again.
Which is one week more than his 4 yr old son got.
Exactly. Teams thought process was probably "We ain't beating New England anyway, lets try to make ourselves look tough"
I would think the same thing but I was under the impression that the charges brought up against him weren't necessarily for child abuse but a somewhat lesser charge (like child neglect and/or endangerment)? I don't know much about child abuse and the different levels that fall under that umbrella so if I'm mistaken then my bad. I'm just going off of what the charges were that were brought against him.
I agree 100%. That's why I was kind of confused when I heard what exactly he was being charged with because it seemed like he was being charged with something that's a bit more benign (like leaving your kid in a car in the parking lot... which is still bad by the way) than actual child abuse. Again, I'm may be wrong but that's the impression I got from what the charges sound like.
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
It could be his last season playing if convicted but from a legal perspective I don't think that is happening.
If I were Peterson I'd donate my entire year's salary towards children's salaries though and seek psychological help
That doesn't sound to me like 'leaving him in the car'.
It may not to you but it did/does to me. Like I said, I don't know what the charges would be if he's being charged with child abuse or for doing something a bit more benign like leaving his kid in a car. I would think a child abuse charge would be called 'child abuse'. If I'm wrong about that, please forgive my ignorance.
You need more Badgers on your FF team.
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it say about me that I drafted Ray Rice, AP, and the Panthers D (Greg Hardy) to my fantasy team?
You need more Badgers on your FF team.
I already have Montee, Travis Beckum and Scott Tolzein on both my teams.
I think it's a very tricky situation to try to adjudicate the morality of every player. Is Peterson a "bad guy"? Maybe. I don't know. Are there quite a few "bad guys" in the NFL? Certainly. We just don't know who all of them are. I'm going to watch the Colts-Eagles game tonight - there's almost certainly a handful of guys involved who have done some bad things in their life, ranging from all manner of infractions from domestic abuse to DUIs to bad tipping. There's probably not any murderers, but you never know - we've seen it before.
Really as a fan, my options are to watch or not watch. I'm going to watch because I like the NFL (and I care about my fantasy team).
To me, they're just guys on a TV screen providing entertainment. My enjoyment is not effected in a major way by knowing or hypothesizing if there are good guys or bad guys on the field. Some people might differ in this respect, and I think that's totally legitimate. I could see how knowing that there are bad guys who are becoming millionaires through your support would be an issue. It just isn't for me, in large part because I don't think it's possible to be consistent about it.
The NFL is just a product that I consume. There are bad guys in the NFL, just like there are bad guys working for other companies that create products I use. I'm sure DirecTV, Apple, Sony, Exxon, Ikea, the federal government, Harris Teeter, etc have some bad guys in their employ. They still get my money if they offer something that I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.
I don't hope he plays. Him being awesome at football and fun to watch isn't enough to overcome what he did. He needs to be away from football. Not my job to say for how long, but him playing this weekend is an absolute joke.
As my interest in the NFL slips as the days go on, I'd rather watch less talented and DESERVING players play. It's why i've focused my time to other sports and activities and will continue to do so.
This one seems pretty cut and dry. He whipped a 4 year old boy and drew blood. This far exceeds what a drunk Ray Rice did IMO.
Now that is a huge overreaction
as far as I know his first offense (a terrible one) is a first offense and everyone gets a second chance (or like 5 chances in the NFL). I hope he's remorseful and learns from this and in the end can use his stardom and money for good in this area - maybe even make it a team/league requirement of his return.
According to law-enforcement sources, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson beat his 4-year-old son with a tree branch as a form of punishment this summer, an incident that allegedly resulted in multiple injuries to the child. According to reports, Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County, Texas for injury to a child.
The “whooping” – as Peterson put it when interviewed by police – occurred in Spring, Texas, in May. Peterson’s son had pushed another one of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game. As punishment, Peterson grabbed a tree branch – which he consistently referred to as a “switch” – removed the leaves and struck the child repeatedly.
The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face. The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
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I would imagine that most sports do, but I am not sure any murderers play in any league.
He admitted to it, just like Rice did. So why the Rice suspension and non for AP?
If any of us did what Peterson did, no one even hears about it. YOu won't lose your job or miss any time at work. You may lose your kid, but PEterson may lose his kid too.
And that's all fair. I think the NFL should hold its players to a high standard but i'm not sure why people feel compelled to kill the NFL for the way it's handling its dirty laundry lately. In my eyes they have come a long way the last 10-20 years. They really take no shit from anyone anymore.
Should Adrian Peterson really lose his job for the rest of his life over this? I'm not saying yes or no...but that's a serious punishment to give out. Think about it for a second...you're taking 10s of millions of dollars away from a guy. I'm not so sure it's the way to do here and I literally felt sick to my stomach when reading about what he did to his son. IT's still a slippery slope.
maybe he should become a minister..... that uses rulers on kids!
When it became apparent Hernandez was a murderer he was banned from the league. I am not sure what you do for a living Pork & Beans, but murderers can come from all walks of life. As far as Ray Lewis is concerned, I am not a Lewis fan by any means and in fact don't like him very much, but there has never been any proof that he murdered someone. He wasn't even charged so your point is an exaggeration.
The stories we hear are likely the tip of the iceberg, as I am sure many stories get covered up, or never reported.
maybe he should become a minister..... that uses rulers on kids!
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Don't hide behind me you piece of shit.
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it say about me that I drafted Ray Rice, AP, and the Panthers D (Greg Hardy) to my fantasy team?
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Badgers! He don't need no stinkin' Badgers!