I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Problem is you don't know if those are his sentiments
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Agree 100%. No one condones what he did, but these proclamations that he should be locked up for life and banned from the league are silly.
some rumors that his son was acting very violent toward his other son (not just pushing him off a toy). I won't post the details because it is second hand info/hearsay. But hearing what I heard makes me understand why Peterson spanked his son and may have went a little overboard especially because he lost another son a year ago.
Either way he is a horrible father in my opinion and I hope he can change.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I don't know how much hope there is for a man who did that to a child's body and basically says, "no harm intended."
Hey, it's your right not to trust or believe him. I really don't care if you do or don't. I've chosen to believe him when he says it was an accident and will never happen again. If you don't, that's fine too. I don't feel the need to talk you into or belittling you in order for you to feel the same way I do about this topic.
RE: RE: RE: Problem is you don't know if those are his sentiments
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I personally don't hold that against him as long as he's taking care of him. Of course, it would be best if he didn't have all these kids by all these different women... I'm not denying that. But my personal feelings are that as long as he's taking care of his responsibilities as a parent for all of those children, then he's ok by me. Again, if you feel differently, I can respect that.
The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom.
Ok so lets banish Rice and Peterson for the rest of their lives, subject them to public ridicule and punchlines, take away any earning power that they have, all in the name of pounding our chest in the name of domestic violence and child abuse. The problem is people like you who will accuse anyone who takes my position or T-bones or some other posters on here, of being an enabler or supporter of domestic or child abuse. I can tell you from my perspective nothing could be further from the truth. I take my role as a dad incredibly seriously. I have spanked my kid but with my hand and I don't even do that any longer, although I think a legitimate debate exists about spanking. I have said and will repeat because I think you may need some help regarding comprehension that I believe what Peterson did was wrong, excessive, and over the line. I also said that this talk of yours that you are either with us, or against us nonsense is a stupid mentality. All I said is that he should not be suspended for life. You have every right to disagree, but don't misrepresent my position.
I can only trust that the NFL will deal with these
incidents on a case by case basis and will not over or under react due to outside influences. I would think AP would get a different penalty because it is a different incident. My guess is that the NFL goes lighter on him than Rice.
RE: The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom.
I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
He now knows that he can't leave evidence at least.
statements lead me to believe that he doesn't think what he did was wrong. He keeps talking about how he's not a child abuser and was just disciplining his kid, and he even talked about how he wouldnt be the man he is today without his mom instilling discipline in him and that she did the same stuff basically.
Bruises mean jack shit. My brother bruises just rubbing up against a wall. Some people bruise really easy whereas others don't. You could hit me with a bat and I will not bruise and I cannot even remember the last time I had one. My brother on the other hand .. hahaha, looks like he fell out of a tree and that is normal for him. If the grand jury originally decided to not indict there was probably a reason. Look I understand using a switch is bad but before everyone assumes he is beating his son with a wrench .. wait until after the court case. In today's day no one is ever innocent until proven guilty and for what it's worth .. those of us old folks remember that switch and it was common place at one time. The world today has become pussies and punishing your kid is against the law. Time out now Timmie .. give me your cell phone. Do I agree with a switch .. no! I hated the switch but guaranteed I smartened up real quick. This world has become a land of PC pussies that have parents seek medication rather than just being a parent. I applaud Peterson .. who am I to say what is right or wrong and who am I to say what the circumstances were. Once again .. I could care less how Peterson disciplines his kid.
Guess he will stick to soap in a sock in the whipping room
Re: Monsters--- in another lifetime, I worked on various cases of child abuse. Most often, ones where the child died at the hands of the mother or father. More often the father. These things go vastly unreported until it is too late. Why? the mother is financially dependent on the father, chances are she's getting beat too, or he promises never to do it again....any number of dysfunctional reasons.
I've sat there and combed through court reports and autopsies of several dead children. Often, the excuse is: I don't know what happened, I took it too far, I didn't mean for this to happen, I've never done this before, etc.
Then, it was my and my partners job along with the medical examiners to figure out the cause of death. We look at the dead child, hundreds of photos are taken during the autopsies. The child is laid to rest. Now come the late night hours in the office.
We read testimony, we look at picture. Back and forth, back and forth... testimony-pictures. We see the welts on the child's body that presumably caused the death. Then we see that the child tried to defend itself, or maybe it didn't. We have to determine, was the child conscious prior to the moment of death.
Then we have postmortem X-rays of the child. Often, we would see prior broken bones that were not set We have the medical records of the child. No broken bones reported.
We see the internal hemorrhages. We see the broken capillaries on the eyeballs (asphyxiation). We see burn marks. Wounds in the later stages of healing. We see every little thing that ever happened to the child prior to the incident where the mother of father went "overboard".
Most of the cases I worked on were Caucasian children. The last case I worked on was a 2 year old grandchild of a very prominent North Eastern Caucasian man.
That last case, I recall sitting on the floor surrounded by court printouts and hundreds of pictures from the autopsy. Eyeballs removed, the heart, all visceral organs, photos of the legs, arms, brain and that adorable little face. You sit there and you read the testimony from the father (in this case) who swears he didn't mean for it to happen. Then you think about the child. How can you fathom what that child or any other of the children's cases I worked on, felt in those last moments before death. Hopefully, they weren't conscious.... hopefully they went quickly. How terrifyingly scared where they each time a violent incident happened? Did they think they were just going to go to school or play with their friends the next day? Were they thinking of what to tell the teacher about the black eye? Why didn't this child try to defend him/herself? Why should this child have to be in this position?
What on earth did this child do that angered the parent so much? What did this child want to be when he or she grew up? What was his/her favorite toy? Are there siblings? What's going to come of them? Will I be working on their case next? The questions you go over in your head are heartbreaking.
"Overboard, didn't mean to, it only happened once".
Sorry I don't buy it. I've seen it too often.
Yes they are monsters, worse than any imaginary monster in any child's closet or under the bed.
those of us old folks remember that switch and it was common place at one time.
Just because it was an accepted practice in your day does not mean your parents weren't a piece of shit while doing it if the beatings were even close to doing the harm that Peterson did.
so at what point does the NFL say fuck the personal conduct policy
because this is going to be a very slippery slope for the NFL, and the watching audience, to sit in judgement of every member of this league in their personal lives.
yes it's been happening incrementally, but now with these two similar stories back to back it's clear the NFL is going to have a huge problem on its hands.
The Rice outcry was there after the video, the only thing Peterson has going for him is there was no video of him 'disciplining' his child. no video of him shoving leaves in the child's mouth and whipping the shit out of his 4 year old.
but... who are we to judge? NFL didn't have a problem suspending Rice for knocking out his girlfriend. How is that worse or so different than what Peterson did to his child?
in that I don't have a problem with parents using corporal punishment to discipline their children. I don't personally use it on my kids and don't feel it would be effective, but within limitations it's probably an effective tool for discipline.
maybe even much more so for some of the whiny, sniffley, every kid gets a trophy, affluence defense generation.
But yes, Peterson was going beyond what my moral high ground considers acceptable, and should be punished. I'm not sure what's appropriate, I feel like this is kind of new ground, punishing someone at work before they've been punished in court.
the people saying he should never play another down in the NFL seem (IMO) totally bat shit crazy with their overreaction and remind me of the "would someone think of the children" character on the simpsons.
kids are resilient. if the discipline dished out came when his kids deserved to be disciplined it isn't as much abuse as it is use of excessive force if there's a distinction. In my mind there is. If he's beating his kids for no reason or taking shit out on them, again that's different.
I personally can't fathom beating a 4-year old boy, but I'm also not going to judge a parent for disciplining their child the way they feel that child should be disciplined, the opposite is worse IMO (no discipline).
I'm sure I'm not making this point well or people will flame it, and I'm not sticking up for Peterson, who absolutely was over the top and should be punished, I'm only suggesting I differ on where that punishment meets the crime. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it's not lifetime ban or anything resembling that.
I'll hold off on flaming you, but want you to clarify. You saying that it's better to beat the fuck out of a small child rather than having no discipline at all if that's the way the parent feels is necessary?
Congratulations, you have survived the "terrible two's!" Hopefully, you have energy left to enjoy what lies ahead for you and your preschooler. They call the next few years the "magic years" -- partly because it seems like magic that your child is finally listening to you and partly because for your child, it is a time for his or her imagination to run wild.
Your 3- to 4-year-old child will continue to grow and develop in many ways in the coming year. Although children reach developmental milestones at different times, your child will likely achieve the following developmental milestones before he or she turns 5 years old.
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Language Milestones
If your child is not very talkative, that will likely change soon. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Say his or her name and age
Speak 250 to 500 words
Answer simple questions
Speak in sentences of five to six words, and speak in complete sentences by age 4
Speak clearly
Tell stories
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Cognitive Milestones
Your child will start asking lots and lots of questions. "Why is the sky blue? Why do birds have feathers?" Questions, questions, and more questions! While it may be annoying at times, asking questions is a normal developmental milestone. In addition to asking "why?" all the time, your 3- to 4-year-old should be able to:
Correctly name familiar colors
Understand the idea of same and different
Pretend and fantasize more creatively
Follow three-part commands
Remember parts of a story
Understand time better (for example, morning, afternoon, night)
Count, and understand the concept of counting
Sort objects by shape and color
Complete age-appropriate puzzles
Recognize and identify common objects and pictures
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Movement Milestones
Your busy preschooler continues to be on the move. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Walk up and down stairs, alternating feet -- one foot per step
Kick, throw, and catch a ball
Climb well
Run more confidently and ride a tricycle
Hop and stand on one foot for up to five seconds
Walk forward and backwards easily
Bend over without falling
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Hand and Finger Skills
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
More easily handle small objects and turn a page in a book
Use age-appropriate scissors
Copy circles and squares
Draw a person with two to four body parts
Write some capital letters
Build a tower with nine or more blocks
Dress and undress without your help
Screw and unscrew jar lids
Turn rotating handles
so now, i ask you, a kid that young should get a spanking or so but a fucking lashing with a "switch" is too much.. sorry but the prick is an idiot.
I'll hold off on flaming you, but want you to clarify. You saying that it's better to beat the fuck out of a small child rather than having no discipline at all if that's the way the parent feels is necessary?
No, I'm saying Peterson obviously went above and beyond and should be punished, but when delivered appropriately I think if a parent decides corporal punishment is their form of discipline I don't judge that decision. That (appropriately delivered physical punishment) is better than no discipline.
So, yeah Peterson should be punished, I'm not defending him, but I am defending a parents right to (with in the realms of common sense/responsibility) discipline their child.
not going to judge a parent for disciplining their kid and leaving the marks on the 4 year old like Peterson? Huh?
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
do not belong playing in the NFL, making millions of dollars. I 100% stand by that, you can disagree but with that you are fine with child abusers playing, I'm not. There is zero excuse for what he did, and the scary part is he sees nothing wrong with what he did. I'd bet he does it again.
Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
RE: RE: The only accident in this case was not wearing a condom.
I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
As some of the other posters said .. I could care less if people agree with me or not. Look at how fucked up our society is today and look at the youth being developed today. Do I think that using a switch on a four year old is right? No, I do not. Do I think that parents need to start being parents instead of pawning them off or pushing pills down their throat and trying to be their best friend? Absolutely! People look at our youth and wonder WTF is going on. School shootings, rampant crime, no respect for authority, me first mentality, lack of morals, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancy at all time highs .. that is our youth today like it or not. Do I agree with beating your kids .. no. Do I agree that corporal punishment it a tool that used correctly is good .. a resounding YES! To many people are afraid to stand up for fear of what someone else might think.
but the bastard can read a fucking play book... he knows somewhat right from wrong... but then reading his texts to his babys momma, he needs help and more time with this kids than being on a football field.
Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
They might decide to ban him for life, who knows what's going on in the NFL front office these days, that place is a train wreck. I'm saying IMO that punishment would not fit his crime. AS I KNOW HIS CRIME. If more details come out about his past or other issues, I reserve the right to change my mind.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
The NFL needs to evaluate whether it wants the demographic
of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Can't speak for Eric but I'm choosing to believe that he meant what he said whether it was his own words or something he was told to say by his attorney. If you don't want to believe him for whatever reason, then that's your choice.
RE: The NFL needs to evaluate whether it wants the demographic
of Sandman and the people wearing the Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez jerseys, or do they want the majority of America who is absolutely disgusted by this shit and the people who do these things.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
I do not applaud the act of switching his 4 year old. No child in my estimation at that age deserves that nor would they really understand. I applaud the fact that he disciplined his child which most parents conveniently look the other way. Nothing more and nothing less.
Pork might be underestimating the amount of people who will support some of these athletes due to any number of idiotic reasons such as the team they play for, their disdain for women, the color of their skin, etc.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.
I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury.
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I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
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I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.
I really hope that he's learned a hard lesson and I still believe he should see some sort of punishment for what he did to that little boy. But more than anything else I hope he's learned that it's not ok to beat a child the way he appears to have beaten his son. I know some will not believe nor forgive him for what he did and some may even think there's no way he's going to 'change his stripes'. But I, for one, hope he can and does.
Agree 100%. No one condones what he did, but these proclamations that he should be locked up for life and banned from the league are silly.
Either way he is a horrible father in my opinion and I hope he can change.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
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Or just what the PR person decided to put out.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
Hey, it's your right not to trust or believe him. I really don't care if you do or don't. I've chosen to believe him when he says it was an accident and will never happen again. If you don't, that's fine too. I don't feel the need to talk you into or belittling you in order for you to feel the same way I do about this topic.
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Or just what the PR person decided to put out.
Problem for you and some others maybe, but not for me. I choose to believe him based on the 'good guy' image I had of him before this incident. I'll believe that he made a very big mistake and will learn from it and become a better parent for it. I'll do that until he gives me another reason to not think of him in that way.
Is having something like 6 kids with 5 different women part of that good guy image?
I personally don't hold that against him as long as he's taking care of him. Of course, it would be best if he didn't have all these kids by all these different women... I'm not denying that. But my personal feelings are that as long as he's taking care of his responsibilities as a parent for all of those children, then he's ok by me. Again, if you feel differently, I can respect that.
Ok so lets banish Rice and Peterson for the rest of their lives, subject them to public ridicule and punchlines, take away any earning power that they have, all in the name of pounding our chest in the name of domestic violence and child abuse. The problem is people like you who will accuse anyone who takes my position or T-bones or some other posters on here, of being an enabler or supporter of domestic or child abuse. I can tell you from my perspective nothing could be further from the truth. I take my role as a dad incredibly seriously. I have spanked my kid but with my hand and I don't even do that any longer, although I think a legitimate debate exists about spanking. I have said and will repeat because I think you may need some help regarding comprehension that I believe what Peterson did was wrong, excessive, and over the line. I also said that this talk of yours that you are either with us, or against us nonsense is a stupid mentality. All I said is that he should not be suspended for life. You have every right to disagree, but don't misrepresent my position.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
I've sat there and combed through court reports and autopsies of several dead children. Often, the excuse is: I don't know what happened, I took it too far, I didn't mean for this to happen, I've never done this before, etc.
Then, it was my and my partners job along with the medical examiners to figure out the cause of death. We look at the dead child, hundreds of photos are taken during the autopsies. The child is laid to rest. Now come the late night hours in the office.
We read testimony, we look at picture. Back and forth, back and forth... testimony-pictures. We see the welts on the child's body that presumably caused the death. Then we see that the child tried to defend itself, or maybe it didn't. We have to determine, was the child conscious prior to the moment of death.
Then we have postmortem X-rays of the child. Often, we would see prior broken bones that were not set We have the medical records of the child. No broken bones reported.
We see the internal hemorrhages. We see the broken capillaries on the eyeballs (asphyxiation). We see burn marks. Wounds in the later stages of healing. We see every little thing that ever happened to the child prior to the incident where the mother of father went "overboard".
Most of the cases I worked on were Caucasian children. The last case I worked on was a 2 year old grandchild of a very prominent North Eastern Caucasian man.
That last case, I recall sitting on the floor surrounded by court printouts and hundreds of pictures from the autopsy. Eyeballs removed, the heart, all visceral organs, photos of the legs, arms, brain and that adorable little face. You sit there and you read the testimony from the father (in this case) who swears he didn't mean for it to happen. Then you think about the child. How can you fathom what that child or any other of the children's cases I worked on, felt in those last moments before death. Hopefully, they weren't conscious.... hopefully they went quickly. How terrifyingly scared where they each time a violent incident happened? Did they think they were just going to go to school or play with their friends the next day? Were they thinking of what to tell the teacher about the black eye? Why didn't this child try to defend him/herself? Why should this child have to be in this position?
What on earth did this child do that angered the parent so much? What did this child want to be when he or she grew up? What was his/her favorite toy? Are there siblings? What's going to come of them? Will I be working on their case next? The questions you go over in your head are heartbreaking.
"Overboard, didn't mean to, it only happened once".
Sorry I don't buy it. I've seen it too often.
Yes they are monsters, worse than any imaginary monster in any child's closet or under the bed.
Bruises mean jackshit... ok buddy.
Just because it was an accepted practice in your day does not mean your parents weren't a piece of shit while doing it if the beatings were even close to doing the harm that Peterson did.
yes it's been happening incrementally, but now with these two similar stories back to back it's clear the NFL is going to have a huge problem on its hands.
The Rice outcry was there after the video, the only thing Peterson has going for him is there was no video of him 'disciplining' his child. no video of him shoving leaves in the child's mouth and whipping the shit out of his 4 year old.
but... who are we to judge? NFL didn't have a problem suspending Rice for knocking out his girlfriend. How is that worse or so different than what Peterson did to his child?
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as slaves was commonplace at one time, so I assume thats ok now right?
maybe even much more so for some of the whiny, sniffley, every kid gets a trophy, affluence defense generation.
But yes, Peterson was going beyond what my moral high ground considers acceptable, and should be punished. I'm not sure what's appropriate, I feel like this is kind of new ground, punishing someone at work before they've been punished in court.
the people saying he should never play another down in the NFL seem (IMO) totally bat shit crazy with their overreaction and remind me of the "would someone think of the children" character on the simpsons.
kids are resilient. if the discipline dished out came when his kids deserved to be disciplined it isn't as much abuse as it is use of excessive force if there's a distinction. In my mind there is. If he's beating his kids for no reason or taking shit out on them, again that's different.
I personally can't fathom beating a 4-year old boy, but I'm also not going to judge a parent for disciplining their child the way they feel that child should be disciplined, the opposite is worse IMO (no discipline).
I'm sure I'm not making this point well or people will flame it, and I'm not sticking up for Peterson, who absolutely was over the top and should be punished, I'm only suggesting I differ on where that punishment meets the crime. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it's not lifetime ban or anything resembling that.
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
Your 3- to 4-year-old child will continue to grow and develop in many ways in the coming year. Although children reach developmental milestones at different times, your child will likely achieve the following developmental milestones before he or she turns 5 years old.
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Language Milestones
If your child is not very talkative, that will likely change soon. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Say his or her name and age
Speak 250 to 500 words
Answer simple questions
Speak in sentences of five to six words, and speak in complete sentences by age 4
Speak clearly
Tell stories
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Cognitive Milestones
Your child will start asking lots and lots of questions. "Why is the sky blue? Why do birds have feathers?" Questions, questions, and more questions! While it may be annoying at times, asking questions is a normal developmental milestone. In addition to asking "why?" all the time, your 3- to 4-year-old should be able to:
Correctly name familiar colors
Understand the idea of same and different
Pretend and fantasize more creatively
Follow three-part commands
Remember parts of a story
Understand time better (for example, morning, afternoon, night)
Count, and understand the concept of counting
Sort objects by shape and color
Complete age-appropriate puzzles
Recognize and identify common objects and pictures
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Movement Milestones
Your busy preschooler continues to be on the move. At 3 to 4 years old, your child should be able to:
Walk up and down stairs, alternating feet -- one foot per step
Kick, throw, and catch a ball
Climb well
Run more confidently and ride a tricycle
Hop and stand on one foot for up to five seconds
Walk forward and backwards easily
Bend over without falling
3- to 4-Year-Old Development: Hand and Finger Skills
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
More easily handle small objects and turn a page in a book
Use age-appropriate scissors
Copy circles and squares
Draw a person with two to four body parts
Write some capital letters
Build a tower with nine or more blocks
Dress and undress without your help
Screw and unscrew jar lids
Turn rotating handles
so now, i ask you, a kid that young should get a spanking or so but a fucking lashing with a "switch" is too much.. sorry but the prick is an idiot.
Your child is becoming much more nimble. At this point in his or her development, your child should be able to:
Not fucking snitch.
-- Adrian Peterson
No, I'm saying Peterson obviously went above and beyond and should be punished, but when delivered appropriately I think if a parent decides corporal punishment is their form of discipline I don't judge that decision. That (appropriately delivered physical punishment) is better than no discipline.
So, yeah Peterson should be punished, I'm not defending him, but I am defending a parents right to (with in the realms of common sense/responsibility) discipline their child.
And the ones who don't want him to play in the NFL again are the totally batshit crazy ones?
I already judged Peterson, and said he was wrong, so re-read (or don't), my point was disciplining your own children and I was saying I'm not going to judge parents whose conscious choice is when their child misbehaves they get a slap. Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
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I don't see how he accidentally hit him that hard that many times.
The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
This is pretty much how I feel. Well put.
If you don't think using a switch on his kid was right, why do you applaud him?
sorry but throw him out.
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Peterson, has been judged and his behavior is disgusting, still don't think it's a "should never play another down in the NFL" response - which yes I think is bat shit crazy or worse if there's a kind of shit worse than bat shit - that is it.
People point out that we have players with DUI's, rape charges, etc playing in the league now. That's true. But the NFL has an image problem on their hands at the moment. GOING FORWARD, if they truly want to look like they are protecting the integrity of their product, there are few bigger fish to ban than the best RB in the league.
They might decide to ban him for life, who knows what's going on in the NFL front office these days, that place is a train wreck. I'm saying IMO that punishment would not fit his crime. AS I KNOW HIS CRIME. If more details come out about his past or other issues, I reserve the right to change my mind.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
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The mistake or accident wasn't how many times he hit him. The mistake and/or accident was him thinking hitting a four year old in that fashion and causing the damage he caused to that child was ok. He now knows it wasn't and has hopefully learned his lesson... which it appears that some don't think he's capable of doing for some reason.
How can you gather this going only by what his lawyers are telling him to say?
Can't speak for Eric but I'm choosing to believe that he meant what he said whether it was his own words or something he was told to say by his attorney. If you don't want to believe him for whatever reason, then that's your choice.
Its getting harder to rationalize being a fan of this league.
Based on the ratings for the Balt-Pitt game, I'm going to go out on a limb and say most fans aren't disgusted enough to stop watching (yet).
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this and Ray Rice is stomach turning.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I really could care less about your stomach then huh?
Nice T-Bone. There is no room for moderate views here. The extreme rules. That said, I have heard some things that make me view Peterson with some skepticism.