It was interesting in the beginning of the Carl Banks report how Beningo fixated on, and rightfully so, the events that took place in the fourth quarter after Cruz dropped a six yard pass that led to the punt to Ginn and everything that transpired afterwards.
Well, without hesitation Banks blew past all of that and zeroed in on the defense. After listening to his assessment it was pretty easy to read between the lines and without mentioning his name and very tactfully I would say threw Perry Fewell and his handling of the defense under the bus.
For that matter as he went along he threw the whole coaching staff under the bus for the teams lack of preparedness.
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he should be benched for the first half next week.
We had given up 13 points total when Cruz dropped his pass, we allowed a PR TD and then fumbled the ensuing KO.
Seems silly to blame the D for blowing the game. It's not like they gave up some long game deciding drive with the game hanging in the balance.
We had given up 13 points total when Cruz dropped his pass, we allowed a PR TD and then fumbled the ensuing KO.
Seems silly to blame the D for blowing the game. It's not like they gave up some long game deciding drive with the game hanging in the balance.
As always there's plenty of blame to pass around. It's not necessary to only discuss what you think is the primary cause of the loss.
You can have average talent and still not have people running wide the fuck open because people are confused about what should be done. Physical fuck-ups I can accept due to lack of talent. The mental fuck-ups are on the coach since they seem to happen even when the roster turns over. It's not ALL his fault because he's never really been given the players to fit the scheme he's most comfortable with. However, there's no excuse for the guys running wide open and single coverage of opposing team's best players.
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The defense wasn't perfect but the brutal ST's, turnovers and drops had way more to do with our loss than they did.
We had given up 13 points total when Cruz dropped his pass, we allowed a PR TD and then fumbled the ensuing KO.
Seems silly to blame the D for blowing the game. It's not like they gave up some long game deciding drive with the game hanging in the balance.
As always there's plenty of blame to pass around. It's not necessary to only discuss what you think is the primary cause of the loss.
Thanks for the clarification, chief.
My point was that if you're going to "fixate" on one phase of the game to point blame as intimated by Banks according to the OP, the defense probably isn't the correct place to be doing it.
I had my own gripes with the defense yesterday but I can hardly blame that unit for the loss when the most egregious errors came on ST's and offense.
We sacked Stanton 4 times and blitzed often yesterday.
They still show a lack of discipline against the run, especially on the backside and on the edge. They still, have trouble generating a consistent pass rush without blitzing. And, Hell, even yesterday was the first time in years I recall blitzing consistently resulting in anything other than the DB/LB getting blown up by an OL expecting it.
There is simply nothing special about this D and I think it is mostly on Fewell.
Not surprised Carl ripped the D.
The defense was more broken than the offense last year?
I disagree like.. one thousand percent. Not even close to true. The offense was one of the absolute worst in football last year. The defense was decent.
To me Gilbride had proven himself, and given the talent would have a good offense again. Fewell's defense has never been any good, and that includes the Super Bowl win.
One of the good things from this season is the fact that more people seem to be coming to the conclusion that Fewell needs to go.
the defense gets a pass from me. they even got the ball back one more time at the end of the game.
the offense is still broken and is the reason why the giants are 0-2.
And which crucial conversion or gamebreaking drive did they allow yesterday?
We had a lead at 14-13 and without the defense even setting foot on the field, we lost that lead. Immediately afterward, Demps fumbled the KR inside our own 25 yard line and the D held the Cards to a FG (which is all they could have done considering the Cards were already in FG range the second they took the ball)
Then, when the offense was down 8 and driving, Jennings fumbled away our last chance.
The defense was not "bad" last year. If you want to cite the competition, alright. But they were at least average if not pretty good. Certainly not on the level of the Seattles and Carolinas.. but the defense last year was good enough for this team to have been in the mix for the NFCE if the offense had been even average. The offense was SO bad last year that we just never had a chance.
It's not like 31 other teams have air tight coverage on every play but the Giants just keep leaving guys running free.
Our defense will never be more than average.
But these guys will never understand what you are trying to say.
Well, Phil Rivers shredded the Seahawk defense yesterday and dumped 30 on them.. so, what happened there? How were guys getting open?
People have a lot of ideas about things they think happen to the Giants defense but don't happen to other "good" defenses.
The Golden Tate catch up the sideline from week 1... I don't see plays like that on a regular basis around the league. No one on the Giants seems to be running wide open in the secondary.
Drew Stanton threw for 167 yards and 0 TD's.
If you charted out the defense under PF's tenure, I'd be shocked if a professional head coach couldn't discern a trend similar to my observations. It's a bad re-run.
The defense picked it up yesterday when PF started calling more man and got some extra bodies dialed up on blitzes. As soon as the injuries went down, PF went back to his soft shell. It could be a logical common sense decision, but he almost always reverts to his soft shell.
And lastly, we gave up about 290 yards of total offense yesterday so I guess I am just not understanding the outrage.
I think Fewell sucks.
How did Jordy Nelson keep finding open spaces yesterday against the Jets. Doesn't Rex Ryan know what he's doing?
On Golden Tate's 44 yard catch in week 1 on 3rd & 11, there are no rookies in the secondary for the Giants. There are just experienced players who appear to have no idea what they're doing.
I am just tired of "Fewell sucks.. everything is zone coverage.. too complex... no one knows what they're doing"
They're all lazy arguments that piggyback and echo things that other people say. A lot of these things have no context and have become accepted as "fact" in this forum and it just annoys me. I just get the impression that a lot of these people would notice a lot of the same things they complain about around the league if they paid a this much attention to the other 31 teams. The pass is so damn difficult to shut down now when you get flagged for tapping a guy while he's running a route.
As far as the Tate play goes, DRC passed him off sooner than he should have. It was a fundamental error and a fuck up on his behalf. It's ok to say that DRC messed up. It doesn't mean Fewell called a coverage that was designed to have no one within 15 yards of a WR down the sideline.
Fewell for my money is an average DC. I don't think he's able to run the types of looks he really wants to consistently because he keeps losing the guys he trusts. We all know that he likes to deploy 3 safeties but when Quintin Demps is your 3rd safety, it gets a bit hard to do. You lose your main guy in the middle in Beason yesterday, you lose the promising young Kennard in week 1.
I realize adjustments need to be made but I also understand the apprehension on his behalf when it comes to isolating subpar players.
And finally, while I share the frustration of everyone about the 3rd down defense, the backup we lost to yesterday threw for 167 yards and didn't throw a TD pass. So this whole "guys are wide open all over the field left and right" just doesn't do much for me in regards to the game yesterday.