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NGT Is this the last we see of Bob Griffin III?

I Love Clams Casino : 9/15/2014 5:39 pm
Is that it, ya think?

It's probably the best thing that could have happened to that team.
I'm more concerned with Kirk Cousins shredding us in 12 days.  
ballanda : 9/15/2014 5:43 pm : link
But, yeah, I think it is the end of Bob.
I've thought RG3 was done since knee injury #2.  
drkenneth : 9/15/2014 5:45 pm : link
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Yup, no disrespect to Bob intended  
mfsd : 9/15/2014 5:46 pm : link
OK, not too much but a little...but the Skins got better the moment Bobs ankle blew up

I think so.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/15/2014 5:48 pm : link
Which is a shame because he is an exciting, talented young man. He's also someone who, by all accounts, would be a great ambassador of the game. I am rooting for him except for twice per season.
I doubt it!  
Stu : 9/15/2014 5:51 pm : link
They've invested too much in Bob.  
NyquistX3 : 9/15/2014 5:51 pm : link
I don't think they'll move on from Bob unless Cousins lights it up. That is what it will take for us to see the end of Bob, IMO.
Learning anew,  
oldog : 9/15/2014 5:52 pm : link
the drop back pocket QB lesson.
Think we'll  
Randy in CT : 9/15/2014 5:53 pm : link



??
Of course,  
oldog : 9/15/2014 5:54 pm : link
you need a pocket.
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FStubbs : 9/15/2014 5:59 pm : link
I think the players on that team hate RG3. Every time Cousins comes in, the line actually blocks better, the receivers fight for balls, the RBs fight for yards, and the defense plays with more fury and passion.
They'll  
AcidTest : 9/15/2014 6:01 pm : link
bring him back next year, but right now it's Collins's job to lose. Of course, if he stinks it up the rest of the year, then Bob has a chance to regain his job. But he has torn the same ACL twice, and now had a dislocated ankle.
"Really?????"  
Stu : 9/15/2014 6:02 pm : link
- Todd Collins
I blame Ratface  
Mike in NY : 9/15/2014 6:03 pm : link
They had Rex Grossman they could have let Grossman start and let RGIII learn to read defenses better from a pro set (he did have the aptitude for it from what I saw in interviews) and learn how to protect himself better. The Giants did this with Eli Manning his rookie year when Kurt Warner started the first half of the year. Shannahan was more worried about his job that he stupidly threw RGIII right into the fire
No, but there will be a huge QB controversy  
Simms11 : 9/15/2014 7:55 pm : link
in DC if Cousins plays well and wins. This kind of reminds me of Foles taking over in Philly too!
here's to it working out  
WeatherMan : 9/15/2014 8:00 pm : link
like Gus Frerotte and Heath Shuler all over again, bust city and disappointment all around for Washington.
RE:  
Chef : 9/15/2014 8:02 pm : link
In comment 11864871 Stu said:
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- Todd Collins


lOL..

I happen to like Kirk Cousins
RGIII ended at FedEx field against Seattle in January of 2013.  
arcarsenal : 9/15/2014 8:03 pm : link
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That said..  
arcarsenal : 9/15/2014 8:04 pm : link
It's not the best thing because I think Cousins is better than he is.
RE: I think so.  
djm : 9/15/2014 8:06 pm : link
In comment 11864844 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Which is a shame because he is an exciting, talented young man. He's also someone who, by all accounts, would be a great ambassador of the game. I am rooting for him except for twice per season.


From who's account? Bob is perfect for Snyder and skins nation. Not sure he'd be a great ambassador of the game based on how the whole shanahan thing went down. Bob is shady.
it's a shame for Bob  
newmike2 : 9/15/2014 8:38 pm : link
but the team seems to play better with Cousins. Who knows how it will be once teams have more film to look at but I think it will be tough to bring him back if Cousins wins games.


Cousins  
cusehoops11 : 9/15/2014 8:44 pm : link
Lost all 3 of his starts last year. He is not a good QB..period.
RGIII  
BlueinRoch : 9/15/2014 9:57 pm : link
Here is what he has to say about the situation.
RGIII Statement - ( New Window )
Bobby is a read option QB  
deadkurtrulz : 9/15/2014 11:35 pm : link
And by that I mean he is not an NFL QB. Never was. The read option gimmick will get your QB killed . The hype for this guy was off the charts but he does not make plays in the pocket.

I also agree his teammates probably hate his arrogant ass.
The guy gets hurt getting out of bed. No thanks.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 12:15 am : link
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I do...........  
BillKo : 9/16/2014 9:15 am : link
from the standpoint of being a consistent starter in the league.

He is not smart with how he protects himself, and on top of that his body doesn't seem to take the grind of being an NFL QB. Two knee injuries adds to that.

And I also think Wash is better off, in the long run, with Cousins at QB.
RE: Cousins  
BillKo : 9/16/2014 9:16 am : link
In comment 11865177 cusehoops11 said:
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Lost all 3 of his starts last year. He is not a good QB..period.


Why would you judge him on a small sample size, esp from last year?

Didn't he play very well two years ago in relief of RG3?

He's got a big arm, and most likey gets better as he plays as the starter.
If the guy can't roll out to his right  
Exit 172 : 9/16/2014 10:21 am : link
without his ankle exploding, it's safe to say that he'll never amount to anything in this league.

The Colts made the right pick.
If it is, is this right up there with the biggest busts in NFL history  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2014 10:22 am : link
or do the Redskins get a pass due to injury?
No matter  
pganut : 9/16/2014 10:29 am : link
Because Griffin always be legend here in DC. I mean, Sean Taylor still is given the preponderance of his jerseys worn down here as well as the multitude of car decals with the "21" on them. No disrespect to the departed, but it's as if he's the best DB of all time according to Beltway folks. Maybe Snyder can put a statue of Griffin at FedEx (or the new park, ha!) to bookend the one that exists as Baylor.
When the Skins  
mrvax : 9/16/2014 10:36 am : link
drafted Bob they gave up a lot of picks. I thought drafting Cousins was just stupid. Looks like they made the right move.

Bob will probably always be injury-prone. See Michael Vick. Horrific decision to draft RG3 and give up that much.
Great ambassador for the game?  
Curtis in VA : 9/16/2014 10:49 am : link
Ever since he entered the NFL spotlight in DC and his wallet exploded, so did his head.

He's become quite smug. I can think of a lot of guys who would represent the league better than that douche.

Sucks about his injury problems though.
Bob Griffin III  
RB^2 : 9/16/2014 10:56 am : link
is turning into Ryan Leaf II.
The last we see of him?  
Jerry in DC : 9/16/2014 10:57 am : link
Ever? Why? Is he going to retire?

I mean, Sam Bradford was still starting this year and he's been just as injured and never as good as RG3.
Jerry, would it shock you if he did?  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2014 10:59 am : link
Three pretty catastrophic injuries, all to the same leg, in under a five year period, to a guy who relies on his legs to be effective.

Even if this isn't the last we see of him, how much longer you thinking?
RE: Great ambassador for the game?  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 11:02 am : link
In comment 11866054 Curtis in VA said:
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Ever since he entered the NFL spotlight in DC and his wallet exploded, so did his head.

He's become quite smug. I can think of a lot of guys who would represent the league better than that douche.

Sucks about his injury problems though.


You sound like an idiot Giants fan. The type that embarrass us.

He's a good kid. Grow up.
Haha, yes sir.  
Curtis in VA : 9/16/2014 11:03 am : link
I will do my best.
RE: If it is, is this right up there with the biggest busts in NFL history  
Hades07 : 9/16/2014 11:05 am : link
In comment 11866016 Britt in VA said:
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or do the Redskins get a pass due to injury?
Tough call. Usually I don't label guys as busts due to injury; however, each is a different case. Chad Jones you can't call a bust because nobody could have foreseen the injury that ended his career. It was fairly reasonable to expect that a QB with Bob's style of play may have injury concerns in the NFL. T. Thomas is a guy that would qualify as an injury bust in that he had previous serious injuries in college and was drafted with that knowledge. If a player like that does have a short career due to injury, it is fair to call him a bust I think. So, I think calling Bob a bust is fair, since these injuries was something that was always expected as a possibility and should have factored into the draft equation on when to select him.
Chad Jones and T Thomas didn't cost the Giants 3 1st round picks...  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2014 11:13 am : link
to draft them.

Injury aside, aside from one season in a fairly gimmicky offense, RG3 was pretty putrid as a passer up to this point.

I think there is a good possibility that he busted without the injuries.
DC legend?  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2014 11:16 am : link
I don't know, I heard a lot of Skins fans who thought Cousins was better even before last season started.

I don't think Cousins is anything special in any case. Virtually anyone can carve up the damn Jaguars.
If the Rams ever find a QB...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/16/2014 11:33 am : link
...the Griffin deal could become their version of the Herschel Walker trade. Basically, it wound up being Griffin and another inconsequential pick (maybe a 2013 sixth-rounder?) for:
Michael Brockers
Janoris Jenkins
Alec Ogletree
Greg Robinson
Zac Stacy
Stedman Bailey
Isaiah Pead
Rokevious Watkins

It's already a five-for-one (or five-for-zero) deal, as Brockers, Jenkins, Ogletree, and Stacy are key Rams, and Robinson is a prodigious young talent. Bailey will probably contribute too, once his reinstatement becomes official. Pead's career is in jeopardy after a torn ACL. Watkins is long gone, and currently suspended.
I'd like to see the Skins release RGIII  
Dr Pepper : 9/16/2014 11:39 am : link
start Cousins who ten goes on to stink up the joint. While RGIII goes on to a great career in the AFC.

RE: No matter  
Patrick77 : 9/16/2014 12:11 pm : link
In comment 11866024 pganut said:
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Because Griffin always be legend here in DC. I mean, Sean Taylor still is given the preponderance of his jerseys worn down here as well as the multitude of car decals with the "21" on them. No disrespect to the departed, but it's as if he's the best DB of all time according to Beltway folks. Maybe Snyder can put a statue of Griffin at FedEx (or the new park, ha!) to bookend the one that exists as Baylor.


I don't get this either. Skins fans talk about Sean Taylor as if he was the greatest safety to ever play. When in reality early in his career he was an overly aggressive athlete (a lot like Landry) who was often out of position. He grew into a top safety in the NFL, not a HOF player. You can't have a discussion with a skins fan about Sean Taylor unless it starts with - Sean Taylor was destined for Canton from the first time he stepped on the field.

Griffin gets a very similar treatment and his injuries get blamed for any bad play he ever does.
Maybe its because they've been awful for so long that they  
Curtis in VA : 9/16/2014 2:31 pm : link
build up these players to be better in their minds than they are in reality, so they can have something to feel good about.

They've been bad for a long, long time. The best QB they've had for probably the past 20 years (off the top of my head) came from a season or two of Mark Brunell, Brad Johnson, or Trent Green.
he's a good kid?  
djm : 9/16/2014 4:23 pm : link
aren't you younger than RG3?

How do you know he's a good kid? Everything we have heard the last two years indicates Bob is the typical modern day prima donna. He runs to Snyder whenever he doesn't get his way....the whole Shanahan/Bob relationship was odd to say the least, toxic if you believe half of what the papers say.

Whatever, it's not important but I found it odd that anyone on here would go out of their way to prop up RG3's ambassador like qualities. Nothing to do with my NYG loyalties. I just think RG3 is a flaky dude. Always have.

Won't matter. RG3 will be a full time backup before 2016. He's not any good. He had his fun.
RE: Maybe its because they've been awful for so long that they  
Hades07 : 9/16/2014 4:37 pm : link
In comment 11866510 Curtis in VA said:
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build up these players to be better in their minds than they are in reality, so they can have something to feel good about.

They've been bad for a long, long time. The best QB they've had for probably the past 20 years (off the top of my head) came from a season or two of Mark Brunell, Brad Johnson, or Trent Green.


Since Theisman their QBs have been
1-Schroeder
2-Williams
3-Rypien
4-Shuler
5-Frerotte
6-Green
7-Johnson
8-Banks
9-Ramsey
10-Brunell
11-Campbell
12-McNabb
13-Grossman
14-Griffin
.....  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2014 4:42 pm : link
They did win super bowls with two of those QBs  
Some Fan : 9/16/2014 4:44 pm : link
albeit in an era when you could be more of a game manager.

Also, Rypien was a good passer but I have always thought he got knocked around too much and became gunshy. With today's rules, he may have put up good numbers, probably better than the likes of Andy Dalton and a few other starters.
Same span of time for the rest of the NFC East  
Hades07 : 9/16/2014 4:45 pm : link
Eagles
1-Jaworski
2-Cunningham
3-McMahon
4-Brister
5-Peete
6-Detmer
7-Hoying
8-Detmer (the other one)
9-Pederson
10-McNabb
11-Vick
12-Foles

Cowboys
1-Pelluer
2-White
3-Aikman
4-Carter
5-Hutchinson
6-Testaverde
7-Bledsoe
8-Romo
9-Kitna

Giants
1-Simms
2-Hostetler
3-Brown
4-Kanell
5-Collins
6-Warner
7-Manning


Link - ( New Window )
RE: Same span of time for the rest of the NFC East  
Cam in MO : 9/16/2014 4:48 pm : link
In comment 11866800 Hades07 said:
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Eagles
1-Jaworski
2-Cunningham
3-McMahon
4-Brister
5-Peete
6-Detmer
7-Hoying
8-Detmer (the other one)
9-Pederson
10-McNabb
11-Vick
12-Foles

Cowboys
1-Pelluer
2-White
3-Aikman
4-Carter
5-Hutchinson
6-Testaverde
7-Bledsoe
8-Romo
9-Kitna

Giants
1-Simms
2-Hostetler
3-Brown
4-Kanell
5-Collins
6-Warner
7-Manning
Link - ( New Window )


Kent Graham?
Tommy Maddox?

If Cousins wins 3 of the next 4 then I think  
bradshaw44 : 9/16/2014 4:51 pm : link
That's it for at least the season.
RE: RE: Same span of time for the rest of the NFC East  
Hades07 : 9/16/2014 4:55 pm : link
In comment 11866803 Cam in MO said:
Quote:
In comment 11866800 Hades07 said:


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Eagles
1-Jaworski
2-Cunningham
3-McMahon
4-Brister
5-Peete
6-Detmer
7-Hoying
8-Detmer (the other one)
9-Pederson
10-McNabb
11-Vick
12-Foles

Cowboys
1-Pelluer
2-White
3-Aikman
4-Carter
5-Hutchinson
6-Testaverde
7-Bledsoe
8-Romo
9-Kitna

Giants
1-Simms
2-Hostetler
3-Brown
4-Kanell
5-Collins
6-Warner
7-Manning
Link - ( New Window )



Kent Graham?
Tommy Maddox?
In 1999 Kent Graham started more games, but Collins was still the passing leader on that season, in 1998 Kent started 6 games and was not the passing leader. I went with each season's passing leader for the list to keep it simple. Tommy Maddox never started a game for the Giants and only attempted 23 passes with them.
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Got it.  
Cam in MO : 9/16/2014 4:57 pm : link
For a second I thought you were going with opening day starters, but that didn't seem right, either.


Tommy who??  
Curtis in VA : 9/16/2014 5:17 pm : link
I'm sorry, what??
RE: Tommy who??  
WeatherMan : 9/16/2014 5:31 pm : link
In comment 11866875 Curtis in VA said:
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I'm sorry, what??

He forgot his full name: Tommy Fucking Maddox. I'll take that shitburger Eagles game to the grave.
Tommy Maddox  
Zebra3 : 9/16/2014 6:28 pm : link
and the rest of the NJ Broncos. Dan Reeves messed up a great team.
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