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NFT: Mets -9/15-Jacob deGrom

Headhunter : 9/15/2014 7:19 pm
3 up, 3 down 3 K's totally dominate not an iota of fear, goes right at them, has Great, not very good, but GREAT stuff
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Nothing new  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 3:40 pm : link
His work out in the Dominican on September 21. I wouldn't be stunned if they made a legitimate run, if it stays below 100 million for 7 years, he would be cheaper than a ML Free Agent
Phi  
Shecky : 9/16/2014 4:01 pm : link
No worries on singling me out. Certainly didn't want to say mets would be half a game up in wild card. Waaa simply saying if we had kept a solid LF and one of the biggest surprise SPs - we would have a team that is close to contention. Yet both those players were castors from one of the leagues worst teams (Mets) last year. My point was we need better players - and they don't have to necessarily be big name players. As Dan mentioned several times, find the next Dickerson. Before he breaks out.
Nimmo  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 4:10 pm : link
put on a show in BP yesterday.Alderson was thrilled with his development this year. Starting to turn on the ball and hit for power. His Binghamton numbers were .238 with 6 Home Runs which is why ML numbers don't always tell the story. Collins commented that he is coming fast
What a shock  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2014 4:19 pm : link
Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN

"Do I have any problem with the Mets' finances? None." -- Bud Selig

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Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN

"I don't have any problem with the Mets' financing." -- Bud Selig
Pedro Martinez says the Mets have the  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 5:03 pm : link
best nucleus of young pitching in baseball. Can not link but is from Daily News
also if they are handled correctly  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 5:09 pm : link
and stay healthy with Harvey leading the pack, they could have a lot of fun in Queens
Selig  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2014 5:15 pm : link
cites the Cardinals as an example of not spending like crazy and being good... their 2014 payroll opening day was 27 million more than the Mets. You know what 27 million in talent could look like? What a silly statement. For 27 million they could have had Peralta at SS and Morse in LF with money left over and been a legit playoff contender.
DMM  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 5:18 pm : link
agreed that Selig is a shill for the Wilpons. But he is out the door and we are stuck with them.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2014 5:21 pm : link
but his comments are idiotic regardless of him leaving. I know the commish works for the owners and player prices being kept down is 100% good for the owners but he makes it sound like the Cardinals are spending 85 million, 341 million over the last 3 seasons (before the Lackey and Masterson additions), the Mets- 273 (minus Ike Davis) for a total of 68 million more spent over the last 3.
He is not going to throw his buddy Fred  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 5:24 pm : link
under the bus.He has propped him up since Madoff, you expect anything different as he is leaving?
Just  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2014 5:27 pm : link
annoying to see him holding court and acting as if Mets fans should be happy with 23rd highest payroll in baseball
Thank you Headhunter (re: Pedro)  
Drewcon40 : 9/16/2014 5:36 pm : link
I found the article after you informed us.
Pedro Martinez - Mets pitching article. - ( New Window )
Flores is finally getting into a rhythm  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 8:42 pm : link
just missed a home run off the top of the wall.
ok fuck that...  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 8:47 pm : link
He murdered that one. 3 run bomb!!! Flores is officially hot!!
lol, Collins couldn't even muster a smile when Flores hit  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2014 8:48 pm : link
that HR...he was so pissed. HAHA
Well he didn't miss on that one!  
steve in ky : 9/16/2014 8:48 pm : link
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Sorry guys had to start another thread  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 8:50 pm : link
Ive been beating this Flores drum all damn year! lol
If Flores can hit like that next season  
steve in ky : 9/16/2014 8:51 pm : link
and they keep Murphy (grin) they might actually have the makings of a halfway decent lineup.
Umm, I don't think there are too many people  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2014 8:52 pm : link
that haven't been beating the Flores drum.
You've been on it all year baby lol but  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 8:53 pm : link
Theres certainly been a few skeptics.
yes, yes there has  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2014 8:57 pm : link
but that's just insanity
They wanted to give Wilmer an extended look  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 8:57 pm : link
from what I've seen, I hope the powers to be see
If you can point to 1 game that Flores cost the Mets  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 9:03 pm : link
the game playing SS, let me know which one because I can't think of 1. I do know that he has made some really nice plays and all the regular plays. I don't understand why they have to go out and get a SS. I swear, one writer writes he is not a SS and the rest of the herd figures it must be true so they write it
Oh fuck shit  
Headhunter : 9/16/2014 9:07 pm : link
Lagares hyper/extended his elbow. Why can't I have nice things??
RE: Oh fuck shit  
spike : 9/16/2014 9:09 pm : link
In comment 11867169 Headhunter said:
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Lagares hyper/extended his elbow. Why can't I have nice things??


sucks. Lagares made the 2015 squad already. Let him rest up and play Nieuwenhuis, Den Dekker. How about Puello action before he gets Rule V drafted?
Headhunter  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 9:13 pm : link
I think a lot of people have egg on their face and are rooting against him personally. Especially in the media. Its clear as day Flores can play SS and play it pretty well. Nobody wants to admit it yet.

And yes, he did have exactly one bad day defensively if Im not mistaken against the Marlins where he had two mental errors about a month ago. He's been great in every other game.
It's clear that Flores handles whatever comes his way.  
Ira : 9/16/2014 9:20 pm : link
His only problem is that his range is limited. But so is Jeter's and so was Ripken's range limited. If Flores can hit like he's been doing lately, that's fine.
Not really...  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 9:22 pm : link
Thats a myth. His range is better than Tejada's. The only issue Ive had with Flores's D is his footwork was a little awkward and he looks a little clumsy around the bag but he's gotten sharper as the year has gone on and he'll likely be in better in 2015 if he stays there and keeps the weight off.
Colon's had nice  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2014 9:38 pm : link
game. Love to see his ERA dip back down into the 3's before the season is up. 14 wins is pretty damn impressive on this team this year. We'll find a taker.
Alderson has a ton of chips  
Headhunter : 9/17/2014 7:58 am : link
more so then anytime I can remember including the Frank Cashen era. How will he optimize the 2015 team? If they signed Tomas for $$&
then I don't see giving up an arm to add to the ML roster. I believe that axiom you can't have enough pitching. The point, IF the pitching a pans out, they are right there without having to bankrupt the system. Alderson is in a very good spot
Interesting that Alderson was at Binghamton  
Headhunter : 9/17/2014 8:12 am : link
to see Matz's gem and was part of the standing ovation Matz received when he left in the 8th inning. I would love Alderson to name Wilner the SS for 2015 and have him go into the offseason knowing he showed enough to win the job
If  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:18 am : link
a bunch of other teams bid 70+ million on Tomas and the Mets don't then the Mets are pathetic I'm sorry. You can't talk about payroll flexibility and wanting to keep young pitching and then sit out a rare chance to add a potential star OF (who is 23) because you are "scared". How much different do the Mets look if they have Puig or Cespedes going into next season? How much different do the Mets look if the rotation is Harvey, Tanaka, deGrom, Wheeler as a top 4? No excuses. They don't bid high while others do and I'm going to be sick and know that Fred/Jeff will never allow this franchise to truly succeed.

They may do better (young pitching and all) but never put them over the hump. Never say "ok Sandy you need 8 million more on a mid-season deal, go for it". They did similar things even when they DID spend with Omar/Phillips where the Mets almost NEVER made in-season moves. Put up or shut up. 40-50 million for JJ Hardy who is in decline mode or 90-100 for a guy who could be part of your core for the next 6+ years? Hmmm.
I  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:19 am : link
don't believe the Mets are obsessed with the "need" for a LH starter as much as the internet fanbase is but if nothing else Matz should allow them to deal Niese if that's at all a "concern".
They  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:25 am : link
also talk down to the fans for not coming out. JJ Hardy types create ZERO buzz. Nobody makes plans to come out to CitiField to see JJ Hardy. A young Cuban star gives the Mets the first "buzz worthy" addition to the roster since they added Santana back in 2008. You want to change the "vibe" around the team it can't be 100% prospects. Further, even if Nimmo and Conforto end up good players... MOST rookies are not very good. So Brandon Nimmo could be a legit starting MLB OF in the future but take 1-2 full years to get there, Conforto might be a good MLB (or better) but it may take until his 2nd or 3rd MLB season to get there. "Waiting" on non-MONSTER prospects is silly (and even then look at a guy like Profar? Tavares?)
..  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:34 am : link
HM from Keith Law to Herrera/Molina on his "prospects of the year" list
Burkhardt  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:35 am : link
Classy move by KB  
Headhunter : 9/17/2014 8:49 am : link
The difference between the Mets and that other team in NY is that we are all worked up before teams can bid on Tomas knowing that they are not going to the mat to sign this guy while that other team it's a forgone conclusion they will spend as much as it takes. I can't keep beating the same drum about the Wilpons. It's like living with a wife you hate but stay for the sake of the kids. I'm going to avoid all conversations about the Wilpons, it changes nothing and just causes unnecessary aggrevation.
Let's Go Mets!
Burkhardt is inexperienced, but I actually don't mind him on NFL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2014 8:50 am : link
he's into the games and energetic, even if he doesn't quite get it right 100% of the time.

At least he was that close to calling the refs onto the carpet on sunday.
.  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 8:57 am : link
KB obviously had a pretty positive tone to his work but he wasn't afraid to take a shot at the Mets when it called for it. Really, for a "sideline" reporter you couldn't ask for a better guy for the job. Really happy for him even if it's sort of sad for the Mets fans. Hard to believe he joined "the trio" and became nearly as beloved as they are.
...do you really see Mets increasing the payroll up towards $115M?  
EmpireWF : 9/17/2014 9:23 am : link
Known Increases for 2015
+$3M - Granderson ($16M)
+$2M - Colon ($11M)
+$2M - Murphy (Arbitration or Extension, $5.7M)
+$2M - Niese ($7M)

Bobby Parnell, Dillon Gee, Lucas Duda (has to get over $3M, right?), Ruben Tejada are arbitration eligible.

Almost Guaranteed Cuts
-$1.85M - Eric Young
-$1.5M - Daisuke Matsuzaka
-$800k - Bobby Abreu

So, estimate that's close to $10M if not more, just to maintain the players they already have, when you include Young/Matsuzaka/Abreu not returning.

This doesn't count any pitching trades.

This means before any talk of bringing outside players in, the Mets 2015 payroll is already around $90M. Tomas getting $15M-$20M, it's a drop in the bucket when you consider how difficult it is to get a power bat, but do you really see the Mets increasing the payroll up towards $115M from $85M?

Damn, it'd be nice to make a splash in the winter at a position of great need.
Tomas's  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 9:29 am : link
overall money is a non-issue, you backload the deal and pay him 6-7-8 this year. It's not a valid reason to pass. Paid Chris Young and Colon over 20 in 2014 as it is.
The Mets need to make an offensive splash move  
chris r : 9/17/2014 9:44 am : link
this offseason. They've got the pitching. They've got some solid position players. Time to get a big time bat to fill out the batting order and excite the fans.
It really doesn't make sense  
EmpireWF : 9/17/2014 10:02 am : link
if they're willing to spend $10M on a veteran stopgap in the outfield, when they could be in on this young slugger for maybe just double that. Sandy has been able to keep the payroll in check and should have the ability to go out and land a player at a position of need if they believe he can be an impact player.

If they don't engage in the bidding process, it's almost maddening.
My expectations are so low regarding off season moves  
marbles : 9/17/2014 10:35 am : link
I am more than ready for anot her season of evaluating and not doing anything of significance.

Would love to sign Thomas, but in no way do the owners who will go unnamed, spend in the neighborhood of 6yrs/90 million to make it happen.

The marketing department, run by a married woman with kids this time, will attempt to gin up interest next year by selling us on the young staff. Boy what a surprise that will be. The pitching plus Thomas will cause a buzz. It will even give the owners some positive press.

But that is fantasy. I really believe ownership looks at us Mets fans as complete idiots.
marbles  
feelflows : 9/17/2014 10:48 am : link
Time to start skating and get in hockey shape , my brother !
Saw the hockey thread.  
marbles : 9/17/2014 11:06 am : link
It is already rolling.
I wasn't ready to concentrate on hockey  
feelflows : 9/17/2014 11:25 am : link
with the young guys doing so well for the Mets.. YET...

RE: My expectations are so low regarding off season moves  
EmpireWF : 9/17/2014 11:50 am : link
In comment 11867865 marbles said:
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I am more than ready for anot her season of evaluating and not doing anything of significance.

Would love to sign Thomas, but in no way do the owners who will go unnamed, spend in the neighborhood of 6yrs/90 million to make it happen.


If they're not willing to get in that neighborhood, WTF? They can spend $10M on a 40 year old pitcher but for a young slugging outfielder, an extra five or eight million, that's too much?

I hope that's not where this will go. I don't for a second believe the Mets will be serious bidders for Tomas but if that's the case, I'm hoping teams are willing to go well north of $20M/year.
He's  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2014 11:55 am : link
not getting "well north" of 20 million per year. That much I can guarantee.
EmpireWF  
marbles : 9/17/2014 12:05 pm : link
That extra five million is significant for the small market teams like the Rays, Royals, Pirates, Padres, and Mets.

Just listening to Selig answer questions with a straight face about how he doesn't see anything wrong with the Mets finances and how they are run was infuriating.
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