is very good. I'd be shocked if this is a flash in the pan. On top of his good stuff and command, he's got that unshakeble, Harvey-like composure and presence.
I'd love to see the Mets have that rotation for like the next 10 years. Obviously with injuries and contracts and everything it's not realistic.. but. It would be really fucking cool to have an entire homegrown rotation like that.
I'd love to see the Mets have that rotation for like the next 10 years. Obviously with injuries and contracts and everything it's not realistic.. but. It would be really fucking cool to have an entire homegrown rotation like that.
Don't forget Matz. He's lefty and probably a better prospect than Montero.
gets them closer to having a really big chunk of money to invest in LF. I'm starting to think there's a real good chance next year's SS position is a competition in camp between Flores, Reynolds, and a 3rd participant with a good glove (and likely be destined to be a spot starter/backup).
Flores has already shown me he has enough to play the position. Add another offseason conditioning program and maybe even a little more time this offseason getting comfortable there and he'll be even better. Its his bat Im worried about(which sounds crazy) but he's been coming around lately. I think we'll be ok with Flores with Reynolds/Tovar backing him up.
I go back and forth on this. Matz is already on the 40 man so it would make sense that he beats Syndergaard but then I ready Macks mets and he just did his end of season top 30 and he says this about Thor who is number one...
MMs Top 25: #1 RHSP Noah Syndergaard
POSTED BY CHRISTOPHER SOTO AT 1:30 PM 5 COMMENTS
#1 RHSP Noah Syndergaard (LR: #1)
Bats: R Throws: R
Height: 6' 6" Weight: 240 lb
Acquired: Trade, 12/31/2012, with OF Wuilmer Becerra, C Travis d'Arnaud, and C John Buck for SP R.A. Dickey, C Josh Thole, C Mike Nickeas
And then there was 1....the kid whose arrival will mark the beginning of multiple pennant runs. The kid who will complete a string of 1 superstar SP promotion per season that started in 2012. The kid who would be an ace on most pitching staffs but will have to settle for being #4 at least to start. 2012 brought us Matt Harvey, 2013 brought us Zack Wheeler, in 2014, Jacob deGrom bursted onto the scene, and in 2015....THOR will make his presence felt.
Our #1 prospect has something that Harvey, Wheeler, and deGrom can never possess that gives him a distinct advantage over the competition, SIZE. At 6' 6", 240 lbs, he has 2 inches on all 3 of them. He also weighs 20 lbs heavier than Harvey, 55 lbs heavier than Wheeler, and 60 lbs heavier than deGrom. His size, strength, and intimidating Nordic frame gives him a near perfect pitcher's build that will prove to be extremely durable over the course of a season and a career.
As if the size wasn't tough enough for hitters, Thor's pitching repertoire is deadly as well. He has a "plus-plus" fastball that sits between 96-99 MPH and if he takes a bit off it becomes a heavy 94-96 MPH sinker for when he needs a DP. He also has a plus 12-6 curveball that makes Jonathan Niese's curve look Little League quality, and a plus change-up that's deadly against LHB looking to keep up with his fastball. That's 3 plus or better pitches folks....that's Ace quality.
On the surface it seems like he struggled quite a bit in AAA this year but oh that pesky Pacific Coast League adjustment factor. Syndergaard FIP, which is an advanced metric that takes out variables leaving only a performance rating based ONLY on the starter, measured in at 3.70 which is almost a full run lower than his ERA. For comparisons, Jacob deGrom, who's ERA indicated that he performed well in AAA, posted a FIP of 3.73. Nearly identical, folks.
Despite his AAA struggles Thor is ready. Its unfortunate that he did not make his debut this season but you can fault that on deGrom stepping up and stealing the spotlight from him this season. MLB.com's #11 overall prospect and #4 RHP prospect could potentially be the best of the quartet of young talented SP the Mets have. Dare I say.....that Generation K 2.0 is here......and it is glorious.
Ceiling: Top of the Rotation, 200+ K, CY Young Candidate (Stephen Strasburg)
Floor: Solid #2 MLB SP. Hovers around the high 2.00/low 3.00 ERA range (Zack Grienke)
is going to be ungodly good next year. The crazy thing is Neise, Gee, Colon all have value. They just look like steaming piles of dung next to these kids. Trade them all for assets. We are about to have studs all over the place!!
We need more power in this lineup in the worst way and that's the spot we've got to add it.
Yup! Give me a LFer. Trade the excess starters and possibly Murphy for prospects and useful pieces and let the kids take the stage next year. I am so fucking ready.
did you? I just think Matz has come on by leaps and bounds and will be slightly more advanced as a pitcher. Thor is going to be a stud
No not at all. I just think Thor had a really good year in AAA this year. His FIP is almost a full run lower. He was extremely unlucky. As Soto said he's probably ready right now too and might be better than any of the big 3 we have right now already. We hit the effing jackpot with these kids. For those that haven't seen the rankings I can't link just the list. You have to look over in the right column but its a pretty good list. He doesn't value guys like Roasrio as high because they are so far away so thats why he ranks it the way he does. Good read though for all of them. Link - ( New Window )
If they're going to give Flores a chance they need a defensive caddy
I'm thinking a Cliff Pennington (Arb) or Clint Barmes (FA) type who will understand the role, can backup the entire infield defensively, and be able to jump in every day for an extended period of time if necessary. They'd also need to be exceedingly confident in the rest of the lineup being strong enough that the team could carry that player hitting 8th if pressed into duty.
I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
I'm thinking a Cliff Pennington (Arb) or Clint Barmes (FA) type who will understand the role, can backup the entire infield defensively, and be able to jump in every day for an extended period of time if necessary. They'd also need to be exceedingly confident in the rest of the lineup being strong enough that the team could carry that player hitting 8th if pressed into duty.
I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
That's a little odd no offense. If you are rolling with Flores it's because you are expecting his offense to blossom and for us to have a "offensive SS" with average maybe slightly above average defense. I don't think you have to sign a superstar for LF to make up for an offensive minded SS.
I keep saying it but Cargo can be had for not much. Id be just as fine signing Cuddyer who already is chirping he'd come here for a discount to play with Wright. The guy has been OPSing 900 the last two years and .800 for years before that. He is a very good bat who will be available and easy to obtain.
I just see him as the type of dude who is always going to be dealing with some sort of injury. I don't see him being a guy who hits 200 innings many times in his career. He was close 2 years ago and he'll be close again this year.. but. I just wouldn't want to rely on him too much (though it doesn't appear we'll have to)
1.) Lagares( still improving likely better in 2015)
2.) Murphy/Herrera(good either way Im betting)
3.) Wright (has to be better right? even somewhat?)
4.) Duda(still improving likely better in 2015)
5.) Cuddyer(huge upgrade in LF)
6.) Granderson (has to be better right? even somewhat?)
7.) TDA (still improving likely better in 2015)
8.) Flores (huge upgrade over Tejada, .270 20 home run type bat potential)
to see Harvey's comeback game. By the way Harvey top out at 95 is his last throwing session of 2014. I just go to game 2 & 3 to see Wheeler & deGrom, next year baseball becomes fun and certain pitchers will be must see and the young guys Matz & Thor debuting. It's all about 2015
It's not a very good lineup if Duda isn't this same player next year and Wright doesn't bounce back. It's especially not good if Granderson gets worse on top of that.
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
It's not a very good lineup if Duda isn't this same player next year and Wright doesn't bounce back. It's especially not good if Granderson gets worse on top of that.
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
agreed. If they want to be actually good, they need a surefire guy.
I'm thinking a Cliff Pennington (Arb) or Clint Barmes (FA) type who will understand the role, can backup the entire infield defensively, and be able to jump in every day for an extended period of time if necessary. They'd also need to be exceedingly confident in the rest of the lineup being strong enough that the team could carry that player hitting 8th if pressed into duty.
I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
That's a little odd no offense. If you are rolling with Flores it's because you are expecting his offense to blossom and for us to have a "offensive SS" with average maybe slightly above average defense. I don't think you have to sign a superstar for LF to make up for an offensive minded SS.
I keep saying it but Cargo can be had for not much. Id be just as fine signing Cuddyer who already is chirping he'd come here for a discount to play with Wright. The guy has been OPSing 900 the last two years and .800 for years before that. He is a very good bat who will be available and easy to obtain.
JMO but Flores is a total lotto ticket. I'd rather have a really strong defensive player there, but he hasn't looked out of place in the field and the offensive potential for his salary is simply too much to ignore. That said, his defense has an 'implosion factor' that could make him a non-possibility (I know it's a different situation but you can't start a season with another Murph in LF blowup) - and if I were constructing a team to give him an everyday chance I'd also need a non-threatening plan B just to be safe. That's why I'd need the big hitter in LF, to protect the lineup in the event that we're basically trotting out a Ruben Tejada level hitter again (which is possible because they'll likely only spend slightly more $ than what Tejada costs on a backup).
Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Montero..
I'd love to see the Mets have that rotation for like the next 10 years. Obviously with injuries and contracts and everything it's not realistic.. but. It would be really fucking cool to have an entire homegrown rotation like that.
Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Montero..
I'd love to see the Mets have that rotation for like the next 10 years. Obviously with injuries and contracts and everything it's not realistic.. but. It would be really fucking cool to have an entire homegrown rotation like that.
Don't forget Matz. He's lefty and probably a better prospect than Montero.
Of course the Coupons will find some way to ruin everything, but I'm still a believer in Sandy and think he'll find a substantial bat this offseason.
Dude is just filthy. That changeup after 95 and in is not fair.
I'm getting that feeling, too.
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I'm getting that feeling, too.
I go back and forth on this. Matz is already on the 40 man so it would make sense that he beats Syndergaard but then I ready Macks mets and he just did his end of season top 30 and he says this about Thor who is number one...
MMs Top 25: #1 RHSP Noah Syndergaard
POSTED BY CHRISTOPHER SOTO AT 1:30 PM 5 COMMENTS
#1 RHSP Noah Syndergaard (LR: #1)
Bats: R Throws: R
Height: 6' 6" Weight: 240 lb
Acquired: Trade, 12/31/2012, with OF Wuilmer Becerra, C Travis d'Arnaud, and C John Buck for SP R.A. Dickey, C Josh Thole, C Mike Nickeas
2014: (AAA) 9-7, 4.60 ERA, 133.0 IP, 9.8 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 1.481 WHIP
2013: (A+/AA) 9-4, 3.06 ERA, 117.2 IP, 10.2 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 1.080 WHIP
2012: (A) 8-5, 2.60 ERA, 103.2 IP, 10.6 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 1.080 WHIP
2011: (R/SS-A/A) 5-2, 1.83 ERA, 59.0 IP, 10.4 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 1.085 WHIP
2010: (R) 0-1, 2.70 ERA, 13.1 IP, 4.0 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 1.125 WHIP
And then there was 1....the kid whose arrival will mark the beginning of multiple pennant runs. The kid who will complete a string of 1 superstar SP promotion per season that started in 2012. The kid who would be an ace on most pitching staffs but will have to settle for being #4 at least to start. 2012 brought us Matt Harvey, 2013 brought us Zack Wheeler, in 2014, Jacob deGrom bursted onto the scene, and in 2015....THOR will make his presence felt.
Our #1 prospect has something that Harvey, Wheeler, and deGrom can never possess that gives him a distinct advantage over the competition, SIZE. At 6' 6", 240 lbs, he has 2 inches on all 3 of them. He also weighs 20 lbs heavier than Harvey, 55 lbs heavier than Wheeler, and 60 lbs heavier than deGrom. His size, strength, and intimidating Nordic frame gives him a near perfect pitcher's build that will prove to be extremely durable over the course of a season and a career.
As if the size wasn't tough enough for hitters, Thor's pitching repertoire is deadly as well. He has a "plus-plus" fastball that sits between 96-99 MPH and if he takes a bit off it becomes a heavy 94-96 MPH sinker for when he needs a DP. He also has a plus 12-6 curveball that makes Jonathan Niese's curve look Little League quality, and a plus change-up that's deadly against LHB looking to keep up with his fastball. That's 3 plus or better pitches folks....that's Ace quality.
On the surface it seems like he struggled quite a bit in AAA this year but oh that pesky Pacific Coast League adjustment factor. Syndergaard FIP, which is an advanced metric that takes out variables leaving only a performance rating based ONLY on the starter, measured in at 3.70 which is almost a full run lower than his ERA. For comparisons, Jacob deGrom, who's ERA indicated that he performed well in AAA, posted a FIP of 3.73. Nearly identical, folks.
Despite his AAA struggles Thor is ready. Its unfortunate that he did not make his debut this season but you can fault that on deGrom stepping up and stealing the spotlight from him this season. MLB.com's #11 overall prospect and #4 RHP prospect could potentially be the best of the quartet of young talented SP the Mets have. Dare I say.....that Generation K 2.0 is here......and it is glorious.
Ceiling: Top of the Rotation, 200+ K, CY Young Candidate (Stephen Strasburg)
Floor: Solid #2 MLB SP. Hovers around the high 2.00/low 3.00 ERA range (Zack Grienke)
Yup! Give me a LFer. Trade the excess starters and possibly Murphy for prospects and useful pieces and let the kids take the stage next year. I am so fucking ready.
No not at all. I just think Thor had a really good year in AAA this year. His FIP is almost a full run lower. He was extremely unlucky. As Soto said he's probably ready right now too and might be better than any of the big 3 we have right now already. We hit the effing jackpot with these kids. For those that haven't seen the rankings I can't link just the list. You have to look over in the right column but its a pretty good list. He doesn't value guys like Roasrio as high because they are so far away so thats why he ranks it the way he does. Good read though for all of them.
Link - ( New Window )
I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
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I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
That's a little odd no offense. If you are rolling with Flores it's because you are expecting his offense to blossom and for us to have a "offensive SS" with average maybe slightly above average defense. I don't think you have to sign a superstar for LF to make up for an offensive minded SS.
I keep saying it but Cargo can be had for not much. Id be just as fine signing Cuddyer who already is chirping he'd come here for a discount to play with Wright. The guy has been OPSing 900 the last two years and .800 for years before that. He is a very good bat who will be available and easy to obtain.
2.) Murphy/Herrera(good either way Im betting)
3.) Wright (has to be better right? even somewhat?)
4.) Duda(still improving likely better in 2015)
5.) Cuddyer(huge upgrade in LF)
6.) Granderson (has to be better right? even somewhat?)
7.) TDA (still improving likely better in 2015)
8.) Flores (huge upgrade over Tejada, .270 20 home run type bat potential)
With our rotation?? Thats a very good lineup.
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
agreed. If they want to be actually good, they need a surefire guy.
[Thor's] Floor: Solid #2 MLB SP. Hovers around the high 2.00/low 3.00 ERA range (Zack Grienke)
I dont think there has ever been a pitching prospect whose floor was Zack Grienke, outside of Zack Grienke (kind of a cheat). That's absurd.
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I'm thinking a Cliff Pennington (Arb) or Clint Barmes (FA) type who will understand the role, can backup the entire infield defensively, and be able to jump in every day for an extended period of time if necessary. They'd also need to be exceedingly confident in the rest of the lineup being strong enough that the team could carry that player hitting 8th if pressed into duty.
I'm not taking that risk unless there's a bonafide all star in LF (and yes I'd give up Thor to do it).
That's a little odd no offense. If you are rolling with Flores it's because you are expecting his offense to blossom and for us to have a "offensive SS" with average maybe slightly above average defense. I don't think you have to sign a superstar for LF to make up for an offensive minded SS.
I keep saying it but Cargo can be had for not much. Id be just as fine signing Cuddyer who already is chirping he'd come here for a discount to play with Wright. The guy has been OPSing 900 the last two years and .800 for years before that. He is a very good bat who will be available and easy to obtain.
JMO but Flores is a total lotto ticket. I'd rather have a really strong defensive player there, but he hasn't looked out of place in the field and the offensive potential for his salary is simply too much to ignore. That said, his defense has an 'implosion factor' that could make him a non-possibility (I know it's a different situation but you can't start a season with another Murph in LF blowup) - and if I were constructing a team to give him an everyday chance I'd also need a non-threatening plan B just to be safe. That's why I'd need the big hitter in LF, to protect the lineup in the event that we're basically trotting out a Ruben Tejada level hitter again (which is possible because they'll likely only spend slightly more $ than what Tejada costs on a backup).