I think thats a top 5 national league lineup. I think we should expect better production at every single position next year with the lineup I posted. TDA, Lagares, Duda, and now even Flores all seem to have busted out as the year has gone on. They should all be much better in a full season now that they've worked out the kinks. Anybody at third would be better than Wright next year. Either Wright himself will bounce back or my grandmother would give us better production, surely Campbell would. The point is we will have an upgrade no matter what. We will have a good lineup in 2015 if we plug LF with a solid bat.
my point about Flores is that if you really wanted a defensive SS we have a guy like Tovar as insurance. Reynolds has been playing pretty good defense this year too. I don't think you are rolling the dice on Flores's defense imploding. I think we've seen enough to know he'll be ok. And if you forget about his defense, this is one of our best hitting prospects of the last decade. Im pretty comfortable that he's going to be a good hitter, especially for SS.
It's not a very good lineup if Duda isn't this same player next year and Wright doesn't bounce back. It's especially not good if Granderson gets worse on top of that.
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
agreed. If they want to be actually good, they need a surefire guy.
Agree with both of you guys. Who knows what to expect from Wright going forward? And while I have faith in Duda, I'm not counting on him developing into a guy who can carry a lineup. No idea what to make of Granderson, but I'd probably prefer him hit 1st or 2nd so he can see better pitches (not ideal, but he can draw a walk).
TDA and Lagares have proven that at minimum they are fine for 6&7. Herrera and Flores are complete unknowns.
They either need to add 2 Cuddyer level players (SS & LF) or 1 huge bat in LF. Lots of assets & combinations available for either strategy, just depends who hits the market.
That's my thinking too Ira. Nimmo is gonna be here real soon and Conforto is right behind him. We aren't going to get Delgado like its 2006 again. Those days are gone. Cuddyer is a real solid bat who could come here for a year or two and hold a spot.
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bat to add? Stanton? Come on... that's not happening. So who else is left? broken down Cargo? Or a guy a little older like Cuddyer. Those are the best options. Hitting league wide sucks. That lineup is way above average with Cuddyer and Wright bouncing back even a little.
but a seller on the G-Men.
Amazing to think the Mets prospects are much brighter than the Giants
not when you consider that we won 2 Super Bowls. That doesn't continue to happen every year. People think it will but its not normal in this NFL at all.
Top 5 lineup is a bit of a stretch. There's a lot of IF's in your scenario. You are banking on ALL out players improving...and that's highly optimistic.
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Anybody at third would be better than Wright next year. Either Wright himself will bounce back or my grandmother would give us better production, surely Campbell would.
That's a bit of a stretch. Wright in his worst statistical year was still the third or fourth best offensive player on the team. As much as I'd love to see your grandmother play for the Mets...she'd make a better fit for Right Field. She'd outperform our current option there by leaps and bounds.
Defensively, Flores is good at what he can get to. Â
but it had to be a perfect throw to get him out. I like him being aggressive and trying to make it, by doing so it allowed the runner to advance to second so while not as good as being on third with less than two out you still have a runner in scoring position. It was worth the chance.
to expect young players, most in their first full season, and some top prospects in all of baseball, to improve going to their second full season. There is nothing homer about that. On top of that, almost all have had much better second halts then firsts, which of course is another positive for next year. If you don't believe Wright and Granderson will bounce back but they are both in career low years and at least in Granderson's case he showed he was a very good hitter for a large chunk of time this year. Im optimistic both will be better then next year. And on top of all that Im still expecting another addition/good player. Our lineup will at least be pretty good for 2015 standards.
bat to add? Stanton? Come on... that's not happening. So who else is left? broken down Cargo? Or a guy a little older like Cuddyer. Those are the best options. Hitting league wide sucks. That lineup is way above average with Cuddyer and Wright bouncing back even a little.
Nobody knows what the market will be. Last offseason Jose Bautista was rumored to be out there, and he could be a perfect option for a couple years until one of the kids is ready. CarGo is interesting, and one would think very available. Cespedes could be depending on price. If Stanton passes on the big deal the Marlins are supposedly cooking up, maybe that dream becomes slightly more possible? Jay Bruce had a crappy year, maybe he gets shopped?
I just think it's expecting a lot for a 36 year old Cuddyer to be the guy that flips this lineup into the dangerous category all by himself, plus it puts a lot of pressure on Lagares, TDA, Flores, and Herrera to be more than complimentary players. If they add a proven player at SS (Andrus, Reyes, Castro, etc.) then Cuddyer would make a lot of sense.
And yeah 35/36 is a little old but you are only signing him for a year or two. Nimmo could be up by June. Cargo can be had sure but is HE the guy think is going to change the lineup? He can't stay healthy and hasn't even been all that good lately. Bautista flat out said he's not leaving Toronto. Most likely options are guys like Melky Cabrera maybe Morse. Cuddyer.. and they are going to go fast. Its not ideal but I just want a real solid hitter to lengthen the lineup.
And yeah... I don't think guys like TDA and Duda are role players anymore. They are well above average at their positions. I'd probably stick with Murphy until the trading deadline and see where Herrera is at before I just handed him the job.
It certainly possible a player becomes available that is unforeseen right now. Happens all the time. I know if it does, Sandy will be in on it and we'll have the resources to make a deal.
Cuddyer is hitting now, but again, the Coors thing Â
Gonzalez isn't any more of a sure thing than Cuddyer, he just has higher upside since he's younger and a GG defender.
Duda I agree is way more than a role player, but my thinking is you need to go into the year with 3 "impact hitters", hoping 2 of them have all star level years. Wright and Duda are 2. Add a 3rd and then you've got a damn good lineup because Granderson, TDA, Lagares, etc. become excellent complimentary players.
but he was an absolutely transformative presence in 06. Beltran's production almost doubled hitting in front of him. I think that's the kind of ripple effect that's needed behind Wright to get him back on track.
has to be the favorite for ROY at this point. PS 100% unrelated, Chen on the Orioles is 16-4, they paid him 11.3 million TOTAL last 3 years for 6.2 WAR, what a steal that guy has been,
wouldn't be blown away if Sandy sold high on Zack Wheeler. I think he's the one they would dangle for a "big" player given the chance. I could be wrong.
If a guy's FIP is a run lower that does not mean his "real" ERA is a run lower.
They are two completely different measures, FIP is a ratio of various stats to which an arbitrary number is added. For example, the ratios are generally in the range of 1.5 so many formulas will then add 2 to the ratio, so that the FIP resembles an ERA of 3.5. However, this is just to give readers a general idea of what the number means because most of us would have no idea how to compare a FIP of 1.43 with a FIP of 1.88.
However, it is not an ERA and can not be compared to ERA. FIPs can only be compared to one another and different stats sites calculate FIPs in different ways.
Now, if two guys have an ERA of 5.00 and one of them has a significantly lower FIP, then you can talk about how the one guy was lucky or unlucky. But you can't see an ERA of 5.00 and a FIP of 4.35 for the same guy and say he was pitching better than his ERA. The stat does not work that way.
Also, no one stat is a "true" measure. They should all be used in conjunction with one another. In particular, WHIP and FIP complement each other because WHIP ignores HRs, whereas HRs are the most significant factor in calculating FIP.
has been every bit as good as his era suggests, Wheeler (not knocking Wheeler) has some kinks under the hood. I 100% would NOT deal Wheeler just to deal him but if someone is offering a bit bat who isn't old, I'm giving up Wheeler over deGrom. Best still in the minors I'd probably go
wouldn't be blown away if Sandy sold high on Zack Wheeler. I think he's the one they would dangle for a "big" player given the chance. I could be wrong.
I agree - I could see him dealing Wheeler or Thor, but only for a premium hitting asset (Stanton being the only obvious one that comes to mind). Don't think Sandy would deal either for Castro, but straight up maybe he would? Consistent top 5 SS on a great contract.
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the guy I would absolutely love would be Lindor. Fangraphs had a piece implying they might consider moving him because of Jose Ramirez, I don't buy it at all but I'd be ALL over that if true. Supposedly they prefer an OF, so we don't match up if that's true but a 3 way deal? I'd give up a pretty penny for that kid.
I'd pass if only because Castro is a poor fielder with some attitude concerns, I feel like that's a potential bad fit for a "volatile" fanbase. I truly hope the mets are finally aggressive making some trades.
Texas has Andrus, Profar, Sardinas
Seattle has Taylor and Miller
Arizona has Didi to spare
Cubs have their guys
Lindor would be so perfect, I shouldn't even think about it since I don't believe 1% he's available despite the great Jose Ramirez.
Even bats "similar to" a Matt Joyce could help this team.
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Yes, you can never have enough, but presumably it would be somewhat zero sum since we'd be dealing our own, and truthfully they'll already have enough unproven young players competing for time.
This team needs a proven hitter, and honestly if that player is good enough he doesn't even necessarily need to be young because over the next 2-3 years the law of averages says a few of these homegrown guys will pan out.
Also, other than the no-brainer like Lindor or Russell, is there any young prospect-ish SS with more upside as a hitter than Flores? I'd certainly want to bring in a defensive SS as backup/to compete in ST but if he can play the way he has so far in the ML he might stick there.
has the highest defensive scouting grades I've ever seen in a minor league SS, granted Simmons came up and blew peoples minds but I think Lindor is going to be a 3+ WAR MLB SS at minimum. 10+ homers, 15-20 steals, multiple GG.
to watch the first 8 hitters deGrom faced. That was as dominating a stretch as I've seen thrown by Seaver, Gooden, Harvey. He pitches inside, goes up and down the ladder. Has a plus FB a great slider and a great change up. He is unflappable, we got something special
He can just start to become the player he's been during the brutal cold streaks on a more permanent basis.
I hate to say it but I can absolutely see him hitting .200 next year with like 15 HR and striking out close to 200 times.
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It's not a very good lineup if Duda isn't this same player next year and Wright doesn't bounce back. It's especially not good if Granderson gets worse on top of that.
I have faith in Duda. Wright, I really don't know. Granderson? Oy..
agreed. If they want to be actually good, they need a surefire guy.
Agree with both of you guys. Who knows what to expect from Wright going forward? And while I have faith in Duda, I'm not counting on him developing into a guy who can carry a lineup. No idea what to make of Granderson, but I'd probably prefer him hit 1st or 2nd so he can see better pitches (not ideal, but he can draw a walk).
TDA and Lagares have proven that at minimum they are fine for 6&7. Herrera and Flores are complete unknowns.
They either need to add 2 Cuddyer level players (SS & LF) or 1 huge bat in LF. Lots of assets & combinations available for either strategy, just depends who hits the market.
Amazing to think the Mets prospects are much brighter than the Giants
That's my thinking too Ira. Nimmo is gonna be here real soon and Conforto is right behind him. We aren't going to get Delgado like its 2006 again. Those days are gone. Cuddyer is a real solid bat who could come here for a year or two and hold a spot.
Amazing to think the Mets prospects are much brighter than the Giants
not when you consider that we won 2 Super Bowls. That doesn't continue to happen every year. People think it will but its not normal in this NFL at all.
Top 5 lineup is a bit of a stretch. There's a lot of IF's in your scenario. You are banking on ALL out players improving...and that's highly optimistic.
That's a bit of a stretch. Wright in his worst statistical year was still the third or fourth best offensive player on the team. As much as I'd love to see your grandmother play for the Mets...she'd make a better fit for Right Field. She'd outperform our current option there by leaps and bounds.
Yup, I would sure hate to see them trade him away. He is just entering his prime years and has a lot of hits in him.
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Nobody knows what the market will be. Last offseason Jose Bautista was rumored to be out there, and he could be a perfect option for a couple years until one of the kids is ready. CarGo is interesting, and one would think very available. Cespedes could be depending on price. If Stanton passes on the big deal the Marlins are supposedly cooking up, maybe that dream becomes slightly more possible? Jay Bruce had a crappy year, maybe he gets shopped?
I just think it's expecting a lot for a 36 year old Cuddyer to be the guy that flips this lineup into the dangerous category all by himself, plus it puts a lot of pressure on Lagares, TDA, Flores, and Herrera to be more than complimentary players. If they add a proven player at SS (Andrus, Reyes, Castro, etc.) then Cuddyer would make a lot of sense.
And yeah... I don't think guys like TDA and Duda are role players anymore. They are well above average at their positions. I'd probably stick with Murphy until the trading deadline and see where Herrera is at before I just handed him the job.
Duda I agree is way more than a role player, but my thinking is you need to go into the year with 3 "impact hitters", hoping 2 of them have all star level years. Wright and Duda are 2. Add a 3rd and then you've got a damn good lineup because Granderson, TDA, Lagares, etc. become excellent complimentary players.
They are two completely different measures, FIP is a ratio of various stats to which an arbitrary number is added. For example, the ratios are generally in the range of 1.5 so many formulas will then add 2 to the ratio, so that the FIP resembles an ERA of 3.5. However, this is just to give readers a general idea of what the number means because most of us would have no idea how to compare a FIP of 1.43 with a FIP of 1.88.
However, it is not an ERA and can not be compared to ERA. FIPs can only be compared to one another and different stats sites calculate FIPs in different ways.
Now, if two guys have an ERA of 5.00 and one of them has a significantly lower FIP, then you can talk about how the one guy was lucky or unlucky. But you can't see an ERA of 5.00 and a FIP of 4.35 for the same guy and say he was pitching better than his ERA. The stat does not work that way.
Also, no one stat is a "true" measure. They should all be used in conjunction with one another. In particular, WHIP and FIP complement each other because WHIP ignores HRs, whereas HRs are the most significant factor in calculating FIP.
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I agree - I could see him dealing Wheeler or Thor, but only for a premium hitting asset (Stanton being the only obvious one that comes to mind). Don't think Sandy would deal either for Castro, but straight up maybe he would? Consistent top 5 SS on a great contract.
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Texas has Andrus, Profar, Sardinas
Seattle has Taylor and Miller
Arizona has Didi to spare
Cubs have their guys
Lindor would be so perfect, I shouldn't even think about it since I don't believe 1% he's available despite the great Jose Ramirez.
Even bats "similar to" a Matt Joyce could help this team.
This team needs a proven hitter, and honestly if that player is good enough he doesn't even necessarily need to be young because over the next 2-3 years the law of averages says a few of these homegrown guys will pan out.
Also, other than the no-brainer like Lindor or Russell, is there any young prospect-ish SS with more upside as a hitter than Flores? I'd certainly want to bring in a defensive SS as backup/to compete in ST but if he can play the way he has so far in the ML he might stick there.
1st time was with Lagares. We knew these guys had possible MLB potential, but we were all surprised at their all-star potential.