NFT: Pete, Greg & CVA BBIers - Another missing girl in C-Ville

The reason they don't know what she said at McGrady's is that they haven't been able to find the man working the door. Seems a bit odd.

whether it is clear enough for any sort of ID remains to be seen I guess.
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Said that he claimed he was following her because he thought she might be in trouble and wanted to make sure she stayed safe. Given the video, though, I don't know if that is plausible.

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"That's right the man we saw in the video actually came here to the police department. He tells us he was indeed following Hannah. He saw her. She appeared to be in distress. So he was following her to make sure she got to where she was going safely. As he was following her, he says a black male came up to her and put his arm around her. He stopped her. They were talking, and from what he could see it was either someone she knew or someone who was trying to help her. He thought everything was fine, and so he walked away," said Captain Gary Pleasants in a live interview with NBC 12.

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probably pretty easy to check his story out, and there are enough cameras in the businesses on the mall to see if he's still nearby a few minutes later.

The theory is that she was lost, but she wasn't acting like someone who was lost. She seemed to be walking very purposefully to the DTM. She passes a bunch of open businesses and other pedestrians but never stops anyone to ask for directions or help. For a drunk girl, she made pretty good time over to the DTM and was continuing to head east. The final text says she's lost, but the location she gives is only a block off the Corner and two blocks from her apartment, and it's a good ways from the DTM in the opposite direction she was last seen walking. Even if she was mistaken about where she was when that text was sent, the area around 14th and Wertland should have been very familiar to her. How could she be somewhere way to the east, near downtown, and think that she was near the Corner??

Honestly, the only thing that makes sense is that whoever abducted her sent that text as a means of buying time by putting out confusing information. Pure speculation but I can't think of another way to explain that text.

There's a big guy with dreadlocks wearing a white shirt and very long, baggy shorts who is walking the opposite way as her and then cuts across the mall and starts following her. Two minutes later, in the Tuel's video, he's walking alongside her.

You can see his shadow come into the picture @ :21 in the first video. He stops there for a few seconds just off camera. When he starts walking again, he appears to be looking across to the other side of the mall. Hannah Graham enters the picture about 10 seconds later on the opposite side of the mall. If you look closely, as she passes you can see Dreadlock Guy cutting across the mall just behind her, and he starts following behind both her and the guy in the doorway who was also following her. It definitely looks pretty suspicious. Whether Dreadlock Guy is the black man Doorway Guy says he saw her chatting with is an interesting question.

According to locals on the Sabre, there were a bunch of sirens wailing about 45 minutes ago and Chief Longo is supposedly going to appear on CNN in a few minutes, so there might be something major coming out.

In comment 11869136 Greg from LI said:

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The theory is that she was lost, but she wasn't acting like someone who was lost. She seemed to be walking very purposefully to the DTM. She passes a bunch of open businesses and other pedestrians but never stops anyone to ask for directions or help. For a drunk girl, she made pretty good time over to the DTM and was continuing to head east. The final text says she's lost, but the location she gives is only a block off the Corner and two blocks from her apartment, and it's a good ways from the DTM in the opposite direction she was last seen walking. Even if she was mistaken about where she was when that text was sent, the area around 14th and Wertland should have been very familiar to her. How could she be somewhere way to the east, near downtown, and think that she was near the Corner?? Honestly, the only thing that makes sense is that whoever abducted her sent that text as a means of buying time by putting out confusing information. Pure speculation but I can't think of another way to explain that text.

Keep in mind that she just started her second year, so her orientation of that area might not be as refined as we would have since we spent more time over there. When I was just starting my second year, I didn't have a great handle on the geography connection the areas beyond Rugby Road (like Preston) and how it connected to the downtown mall. Plus, outside of date functions, and and maybe one or two other times, I rarely went to the downtown mall my first year. And if I weren't pledging a fraternity my first year, I would've had even less knowledge of that area.

It wasn't until I got my car and I was living on Grady my third year did I really understand the area well (but I also have a terrible sense of direction).

As to the fact that she was walking fast/running-- when I'm drunk, I tend to walk very fast and sometimes run because I just want to get to where I'm going. For a young girl who felt lost and vulnerable, it doesn't surprise me at all that she is moving fast even if she didn't see an actual threat.

Or aren't very familiar with it. My friends and I went there often, so I suppose I just assumed everyone knew it well.

Also said that the Doorway Guy came forward prior to the video being released, so I guess that supports his story.

isn't in custody, is he? Based on the handful of tweets I've seen that doesn't seem to be the case.

Just that there's someone they're trying to find who they believe is connected. Wonder if it's Dreadlock Guy.

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But this is the guy I was talking about on the video

And it's not the dreadlock guy

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The Cavalier Daily @cavalierdaily · 1m Police release description of man seen w/ #HannahGraham on Downtown Mall — black male, 5’10”-5’11”, 250-285 pounds, late 20s-early 30s. The Cavalier Daily @cavalierdaily · 59s Report says man has "close shaved head, goatee, with a slight ‘beer belly’" He was wearing black jeans and a white T-shirt, police said.

has only a "slight beer belly"

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has only a "slight beer belly"

He's big boned.

One on an apartment just off Barracks Rd, one on a car.
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The search warrant was issued at 5:45 AM for the car. Whatever they found in the car was enough to get them a warrant for the apartment. Press conference has been scheduled for 3 this afternoon. Locals report that a huge mobile command post truck has been brought into the apartment complex parking lot in the last hour or so.

Hessian Hills, is the same one where another victim disappeared from in 1983. That was Katie Worsky, Glenn Barker did 9 years for her murder.

Copeley apartments, across from Darden. Hessian Hills is just on the other side of Barracks Road Shopping Center.

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That was in the parole days. He got 18, pulled 9. They never found her body though, so it was probably a plea.

terrible.

The POI from the search warrant is not the person of interest described yesterday - different guy. The Daily Mail claims that a CPD spokesman said that they interviewed the dreadlocked guy and they cleared him of involvement....yet the resident of the apartment that was searched is described by a neighbor as being a big man with dreadlocks.

What's more is that the DM quoted the spokesman as saying they "know who the black man in the video is".....but yesterday the chief claimed that no one was actually walking with her in the video from Tuel's, that it was just a shadow.

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Hannah Graham was seen in a bar on the Downtown Mall with a man. They believe she got into his car. His car and apartment are the ones searched today. Said no probable cause to detain him, but making it fairly clear that he thinks this guy is the culprit, basically asking local residents to come forward if they have any dirt on this guy. Odd presser, really. Don't usually see a cop go on TV and be so forward about things.

The one they claimed previously wasn't in the one video

well, one sexual assault and one possible sexual assault in which the victim was unconscious and had injuries. That stuff happens but that's a lot for one weekend, probably not connected but who knows?

I hope they find her. Every passing hour/day and it's more and more likely she's deceased.

ID'ed the person of interest as Jesse "LJ" Matthew, a nursing assistant at UVA Medical Center. He apparently admits he bought Graham drinks but denies she left in his car. He said they went their separate ways.
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when she was probably on Water St between 4th St. and 5th St. I wonder if she was just drunk and trying to explain where she was.

She was told this evening that a friend of her roommate was in a search party that found Hannah's body in the woods today. I assume that this is solid information, but it's very strange that it has not been reported. Perhaps the police have reasons for not announcing it yet.

I hope that isn't true and I haven't seen it reported anywhere, even on Twitter, but it's something that just about everyone expects is coming.

for me the whole time she was in C-Ville based on the prior events up there.

Its a great town and she loved it, but this is every parents nightmare.

when he realized it and took off. He was not chased down but they issued two arrest warrants for reckless driving so he is now wanted.

Also she was apparently a nursing student and he is a nursing assistant so it is possible they knew each other prior to this evening. They anticipate having the forensic tests back on Monday or Tuesday, so they should have some evidence as to whether or not she was in his car and in his apartment.

Pete there really haven't been even rumors that I've seen regarding what you said on Saturday. The last man to be seen with her is wanted, albeit on reckless driving tickets.

There were a bunch of sheriff's dept. search teams on the mountain with dogs, so I'm pretty sure they're not sitting on the discovery of her body.

This guy Matthew has a decent sized rap sheet, but it's mostly drunken public nuisance stuff. This guy doesn't seem like a criminal mastermind - could he have so thoroughly covered his tracks that the police found nothing after searching his car and apartment?

In comment 11875495 Greg from LI said:

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There were a bunch of sheriff's dept. search teams on the mountain with dogs, so I'm pretty sure they're not sitting on the discovery of her body. This guy Matthew has a decent sized rap sheet, but it's mostly drunken public nuisance stuff. This guy doesn't seem like a criminal mastermind - could he have so thoroughly covered his tracks that the police found nothing after searching his car and apartment?

He had a 48-hour head start. A lot of the forensic testing takes time, so just because they haven't closed in yet doesn't mean they won't.

Pretty clear that CPD has put out a lot of misinformation about this case (eg: saying the guy walking with her in the Tuel's video was actually a reflection, the original POI description) so the waters are intentionally muddy right now.

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I questioned my daughter, and she's as puzzled as we are. The source of the info (a step removed from my daughter)supposedly stands by it. My daughter heard another claim (again a step removed from the source) that some of Hannah's personal effects were found by searchers. She was told of specific items, but I'll withhold that for now, since her info has not proved out so far.

Starting to look like they're grasping for straws now

What's JPA?

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it run s behind Cabal Hall straight back and is a continuation of Emmitt (29).