Imo I don't think so.. I don't even think he is game planning against teams at times. His schemes are not working for this defense, and he is not getting these players to play their best..
I don't get how the Giants can shore up on CB's in the offeseason and improve the defense as a whole but continue to look down right awful especially like they did against the Lions?? Allowing Calvin Johnson to torch them for 7 catches 164 yds 2 TD on 23.5 Avg?! How does this happen? Sure CJ is a freak and the top WR in the league, not many teams can completely shut him down, all you can do as a defense is hope to contain him.. Unfortunately Fewell did nothing to contain him or gameplan for him, why? He completely let him go wild on the Giants defense. Now week 2 comes along and the Panthers completely shut down the Lions offense and contain CJ to only 83 yds total?! CJ still managed to get 83 yds which is good but the key is they contained him enough for him not to do to much damage! The Panthers defense dominated the Lions offense from start to finish..
The Panthers DC obivously game planned for Calvin Johnson and the new Lions offense.. Perry Fewell did not and heres an example. If you looked at some of the Panther's defensive
highlights you will see that the Lions offense ran a similar route for CJ over the top of the Panthers defense to get a big gain like they did against the Giants defense, except instead of the Giants defenders crashing into each other and CJ running deep down the middle of field for a TD the Panthers defenders had one CB stay with him as he ran his route and the safety stayed in the middle of the field to meet the cornerback and double up on him.
If you check out the highlight you can see the defense played it perfect, the CB and Safety both doubled CJ and they even had another cornerback come from the other side of the field to help that intercepted the ball that the other two defenders tipped away from Calvin Johnson! The Panthers defense executed the play to perfection thus avoiding a potential gain or TD. This kind of stuff is not being done by Fewell, he is not getting the potential out from this talented Giants secondary. Sure some will say well they do have a very good defensive minded head Coach, and they have a better defense overall.. Yes I definately agree they do have a better DC, but do they really have a better defense then the Giants?? Take a look at both teams below. Keep in mind the Panthers played the Lions without Greg Hardy, and played a DE that has been around a few teams in M. Addison?
Imo the Giants have the better fron four, JPP is a stud when healthy, Hankins has alot of potential, Jenkins is a stud, and Kiwi can get the job done. I think you add Moore in the mix and the front four has alot of potential. LB's the Panthers edge out the Giants on this position. Kuechly is better then Beasons, Davis beats out McClain, but is Blackburn better then Williams?? Are they that much more talented at the LB position?? Seconday imo the Giants Edge the Panthers. At CB position DRC beats out "newly" added Cason, Prince beats out M.White, Pro bowler A.Rolle better then R.Harper, and its' a tie between S.Brown and T.DeCoud.
Old Stevie Brown no question he is better the Thomas Decoud. Also add CB Walter Thurmond in the mix and you have imo a better overall secondary. So is the Panther defense more talented then the Giants?? And of thats not the case why do they look so much better defensively?
The Panthers just added Roman Harper and A.Cason who are new to the system, played without Greg Hardy and yet their defense looked technically sound??! Played lights out football against the new high powered Lions offense which previously put up 426 yds of offense againt the Giants defense.. Why are the Panther's getting better production from their players defensively?? It's one of the main reason the Giants are failing as defense this season so far, they are just not getting that production from their players. It all falls on the DC's lap, and Perry Fewell is not getting the job done and hasn't been for awhile now..
Giant's Defense
LDE 94 M.Kiwanuka
DT 99 C.Jenkins
DT 95 J.Hankins
RDE 90 J.Pierre-Paul
SLB 53 J.McClain
MLB 52 J.Beason
WLB 57 J.Williams
LCB 21 D.Rodgers-Cromartie
RCB 20 P.Amukamara
SS 26 A.Rolle
FS 27 S.Brown
Panther's Defense
LE 95 C.Johnson
DT 91 C.Cole
DT 98 S.Lotulelei
RE 97 M.Addison
SLB 93 C.Blackburn
MLB 59 L.Kuechly
WLB 58 T.Davis
LCB 20 A.Cason
RCB 23 M.White
SS 41 R.Harper
FS 21 T.DeCoud
Why are we defending the defense again?
Criticize the defense, fine, but they weren't the biggest culprit on Sunday.
Criticize the defense, fine, but they weren't the biggest culprit on Sunday.
They were/are one third of the problem.
Does anyone think, outside of one 6 game stretch in 2011, that a Perry Fewell defense can hold a fourth quarter lead for the offense, consistently?
The Quinn thing is pretty much inexplicable at this point. This has been going on for years.
If that's "carved up", every D in football got torched this week.
Got it. So they matter when they're convenient. Don't matter when they conflict.
His stat line didn't look like much, but watching he sure looked more than effective on Sunday.
Why are you trying to deflect from the topic?
In your opinion, the defense is good?
Nothing to see here?
That would settle a lot of these debates
They were supposed to be the strength of our team. They are just flat out not getting it done.
I can't believe you are defending the defensive performance right now.
You're better than that.
Now, maybe the defense would have given up the lead anyway, but we'll never know that.
Are our players dumber than the average NFL defender, or could there be other reasons?
We went from having a 1 point lead and starting to drive down the field to a botched 3rd down conversion, a PR TD and a fumble on a KR.. so the defense, without even setting foot on the field, saw us lose the lead and then had to take the field deep in our own territory where they did the best they could by limiting the Cards to a 3 and out and a FG.
Down 8, the offense drove down the field.. and fumbled away our last chance.
I have no idea what we're blaming the defense for. They gave up more 3rd down conversions than they'd have liked. They also hit Stanton 10 times and sacked him 4 times. He completed less than 50% of his passes. He didn't throw a TD pass, his completions were 4.3 yards per. We blitzed often when we could and then we lost our slot CB and MLB and had to get a little more conservative.
Fewell's defenses have ALWAYS forced turnovers here. The turnovers will come. We are not going to win football games in this league scoring 14 points. We just aren't.
Coughlin's comments caught me off guard at his postgame press conference, but I noticed going into the 2nd quarter it seemed like we started playing a lot more man coverage. So after the game I checked the play by play. The defense was 5-13 on 3rd down or 38% which isn't bad. However three came in the first quarter. Only one in the 2nd quarter and one in the 3rd which was a 3rd and 1.
Over 40% of the Cardinals' offensive yards was in the 1st quarter as well. I'm not on the sideline but something tells me that Coughlin had enough of the soft, cutesy, zone stuff at that moment (which doesn't benefit our CBs especially) and maybe from this point forward we'll get some straight up man coverage. I think it will at least benefit the DLine and the DBs (the LBs though...).
I'm not a fan of Fewell but if we get majority man coverage the rest of the way it will benefit the defense a lot more than the rest of his nonsense. One way or the other, the defense was the least of what hurt us on Sunday, especially after the first quarter.
Taking a real fucking stand there.
I don't think your perception is reality ie: the defense getting a disproportionate dose of blame on here.
There is plenty to go around, and has been, for all three phases.
They were in the right spots. Prince specifically mentioned bad execution—like the long run he gave up where he lost outside leverage or the costly penalties—of the players not holding up their end.
We really don't have linebackers who cover well. Fewell doesn't just play zone because he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm sure he would LOVE to man up on most downs but there are guys on this defense that you do not want playing man coverage. For some reason people aren't quite grasping that.
Comparisons are a big part of analysis and statistics. We know that every team in the NFL, including the Giants, blitzes sometimes. People are trying to make the case that the Giants don't blitz enough.
The first step is to understand how often they blitz. We haven't gotten there yet. But lets say that we find out it's 29%. So we have that piece of information which is interesting, but not particularly meaningful without context. Is that the least in the league? The most? Average? The case that the Giants don't blitz "enough" becomes easier to make it they have a low blitz rate compared to other teams. Or tougher to make if they have one of the higher blitz rates.
We can get that information through comparisons. For many stats, we've internalized the comparisons, so we don't need to do it explicitly. We know 5,000 passing yards is a lot, 30 PPG in the NBA, 50 goals in the NHL. We know they're good because they're higher than everyone else. Most of us don't have that information internalized about blitz percentage because it's not a commonly used stat.
These just seem like really basic facts that someone would want to know if they were trying to make a serious argument.
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The Giants are their own team with their own players, system and issues? Why would knowing how much The Raiders blitz or how often the Bucs play Cover 2 prove anything about the Giants?
Comparisons are a big part of analysis and statistics. We know that every team in the NFL, including the Giants, blitzes sometimes. People are trying to make the case that the Giants don't blitz enough.
The first step is to understand how often they blitz. We haven't gotten there yet. But lets say that we find out it's 29%. So we have that piece of information which is interesting, but not particularly meaningful without context. Is that the least in the league? The most? Average? The case that the Giants don't blitz "enough" becomes easier to make it they have a low blitz rate compared to other teams. Or tougher to make if they have one of the higher blitz rates.
We can get that information through comparisons. For many stats, we've internalized the comparisons, so we don't need to do it explicitly. We know 5,000 passing yards is a lot, 30 PPG in the NBA, 50 goals in the NHL. We know they're good because they're higher than everyone else. Most of us don't have that information internalized about blitz percentage because it's not a commonly used stat.
These just seem like really basic facts that someone would want to know if they were trying to make a serious argument.
'Enough' is different for every team. And what you're doing by establishing the benchmarks for top QBS (yardage wise) or scoring average in the NBA, or top goal scorers in the NHL…that's all that is. The numbers at the top. They don't say anything about what individual teams need to be successful. Which depends entirely upon the goals, talent and philosophy of the individual teams.
So, again, don't care how often every other teams blitzes. It has nothing to do with the Giants defense. All you need to look at to judge the New Giants defense is the New York Giants defense. Basic fact.
Spags has been fired from one head coaching job and was fired as defensive coordinator in his next job as the players had a mutiny against him.
His time has come and gone. Spags is barely holding on to an NFL job at this point.
he was in a great situation here: respected Defensive Coordinator of the New York Football Giants. With an offer from Mara to be one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. he could've still been the DC here if he had just stayed in the right situation
Britt said it best, "Drew Stanton, fuckin Drew Stanton carved up this new and improved Defense!" Well not exactly like that, but really?? That's about as sad as it gets people.. This is a defense with an improved secondary??
Another good point by Britt which I've been thinking about also was, "This is year five in this defense"
This is not a new defensive scheme?! Why does it look like one each year??!! There is no excuse that can be made for that, none! Fewell should have this defense by now running like a fine tune engine. Sure theres going to be mistakes here and there, but come on constantly? And can anyone really say here they feel confident about Fewell's defense on 3rd down situations?? No, and it's not just this year..
Bill Cowher is another one who was a secondary coach prior to becoming defensive coordinator.
You guys are something else.Spagnuolo hit his head down in St Louis,and now he forgot how to coach.
I am willing to bet anyone that this will be his last year in the NYG organization.
TC and Quinn will go also. This team will turnover a lot - again. The Giants will not win more than 7 games which is playing 500 football the rest of the way. Reality check to the fan boy club.
Britt said it best, "Drew Stanton, fuckin Drew Stanton carved up this new and improved Defense!" Well not exactly like that, but really?? That's about as sad as it gets people.. This is a defense with an improved secondary??
Another good point by Britt which I've been thinking about also was, "This is year five in this defense"
This is not a new defensive scheme?! Why does it look like one each year??!! There is no excuse that can be made for that, none! Fewell should have this defense by now running like a fine tune engine. Sure theres going to be mistakes here and there, but come on constantly? And can anyone really say here they feel confident about Fewell's defense on 3rd down situations?? No, and it's not just this year..
Even when this defense was healthy and in tip top shape, they still were not getting it done?
You must have missed the Super Bowl run in 2012. No idea what you were paying attention to but this defense was healthy then and they sure as hell got the job done.
People will just make up anything to make themselves feel like they have a point.
And here we go again with "Drew Stanton carved us up"
He did, huh? That's what you call it when a guy completes less than half his passes, averages about 4.5 yards per completion, throws 0 TD passes and throws for 167 yards total?
You guys are great. What's the point of even having this argument if that constitutes as "carving up" a defense? By your standards, every NFL defense got carved up this week. Every one.