Imo I don't think so.. I don't even think he is game planning against teams at times. His schemes are not working for this defense, and he is not getting these players to play their best..
I don't get how the Giants can shore up on CB's in the offeseason and improve the defense as a whole but continue to look down right awful especially like they did against the Lions?? Allowing Calvin Johnson to torch them for 7 catches 164 yds 2 TD on 23.5 Avg?! How does this happen? Sure CJ is a freak and the top WR in the league, not many teams can completely shut him down, all you can do as a defense is hope to contain him.. Unfortunately Fewell did nothing to contain him or gameplan for him, why? He completely let him go wild on the Giants defense. Now week 2 comes along and the Panthers completely shut down the Lions offense and contain CJ to only 83 yds total?! CJ still managed to get 83 yds which is good but the key is they contained him enough for him not to do to much damage! The Panthers defense dominated the Lions offense from start to finish..
The Panthers DC obivously game planned for Calvin Johnson and the new Lions offense.. Perry Fewell did not and heres an example. If you looked at some of the Panther's defensive
highlights you will see that the Lions offense ran a similar route for CJ over the top of the Panthers defense to get a big gain like they did against the Giants defense, except instead of the Giants defenders crashing into each other and CJ running deep down the middle of field for a TD the Panthers defenders had one CB stay with him as he ran his route and the safety stayed in the middle of the field to meet the cornerback and double up on him.
If you check out the highlight you can see the defense played it perfect, the CB and Safety both doubled CJ and they even had another cornerback come from the other side of the field to help that intercepted the ball that the other two defenders tipped away from Calvin Johnson! The Panthers defense executed the play to perfection thus avoiding a potential gain or TD. This kind of stuff is not being done by Fewell, he is not getting the potential out from this talented Giants secondary. Sure some will say well they do have a very good defensive minded head Coach, and they have a better defense overall.. Yes I definately agree they do have a better DC, but do they really have a better defense then the Giants?? Take a look at both teams below. Keep in mind the Panthers played the Lions without Greg Hardy, and played a DE that has been around a few teams in M. Addison?
Imo the Giants have the better fron four, JPP is a stud when healthy, Hankins has alot of potential, Jenkins is a stud, and Kiwi can get the job done. I think you add Moore in the mix and the front four has alot of potential. LB's the Panthers edge out the Giants on this position. Kuechly is better then Beasons, Davis beats out McClain, but is Blackburn better then Williams?? Are they that much more talented at the LB position?? Seconday imo the Giants Edge the Panthers. At CB position DRC beats out "newly" added Cason, Prince beats out M.White, Pro bowler A.Rolle better then R.Harper, and its' a tie between S.Brown and T.DeCoud.
Old Stevie Brown no question he is better the Thomas Decoud. Also add CB Walter Thurmond in the mix and you have imo a better overall secondary. So is the Panther defense more talented then the Giants?? And of thats not the case why do they look so much better defensively?
The Panthers just added Roman Harper and A.Cason who are new to the system, played without Greg Hardy and yet their defense looked technically sound??! Played lights out football against the new high powered Lions offense which previously put up 426 yds of offense againt the Giants defense.. Why are the Panther's getting better production from their players defensively?? It's one of the main reason the Giants are failing as defense this season so far, they are just not getting that production from their players. It all falls on the DC's lap, and Perry Fewell is not getting the job done and hasn't been for awhile now..
Giant's Defense
LDE 94 M.Kiwanuka
DT 99 C.Jenkins
DT 95 J.Hankins
RDE 90 J.Pierre-Paul
SLB 53 J.McClain
MLB 52 J.Beason
WLB 57 J.Williams
LCB 21 D.Rodgers-Cromartie
RCB 20 P.Amukamara
SS 26 A.Rolle
FS 27 S.Brown
Panther's Defense
LE 95 C.Johnson
DT 91 C.Cole
DT 98 S.Lotulelei
RE 97 M.Addison
SLB 93 C.Blackburn
MLB 59 L.Kuechly
WLB 58 T.Davis
LCB 20 A.Cason
RCB 23 M.White
SS 41 R.Harper
FS 21 T.DeCoud
He earned himself some extra time because of the Super Bowl and last year he was able to feast on some really awful offenses but I he's not a great defensive coach. We could do a lot worse though.
Fewell is not a Cover 2 coach. He plays very little of it but he used it extensively against the Lions. I don't think Brown has the speed to play in that defense. Hill won the game against them in 2 with a pick. Brown is not Hill. Fewell's defenses work best when he has 3 solid safeties. He doesn't this year.
Carolina rushes the quarterback with their D-Line better than the Giants. Their linebackers, inluding Blackburn, are light years better than the Giants. Do you see the irony in your personnel assessment between the teams? The Giants have 1 legitimate NFL backer. That is Beason, whom Carolina sought fit to trade. How does that fact inform your analysis?
Perry is a solid coach. His defenses are not any more complicated than any other in the league. The flashcard response in the NY media circus is always "complicated." Well watch the rest of the league. You see blown coverages and finger pointing. Where Did He Go Webster, from whom Banks & Bleacher Report Patti used to cull their daily bilge against Fewell, was infamous in placing the blame on miscommunication.
What do i think of Fewell? The wins against Green Bay & New England. Yeah he has had his stinkers just as Parcells & Belichick did. Robert Depino or Randal Cunningham, Mr. Banks?
But I think he is a solid coach. And I agree with Tom's comments yesterday about the DBs. Get 2 hands on the ball, catch it.
Prince, DRC, and Thurmond are all man to man corners yet he will go cover 2 on 2nd and 3rd down. He would have Thurmond covering TEs instead of slot WRs which he was brought in here to do.
the other take over...tbut other guy doesn't
- How often do the Giants blitz?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
- How often to the Giants play Cover 2?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
Actual numbers please. I'm sure you guys have this information, since you seem to be so sure about your opinions.
- How often do the Giants blitz?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
- How often to the Giants play Cover 2?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
Actual numbers please. I'm sure you guys have this information, since you seem to be so sure about your opinions.
That's a very unrealistic expectation for having a strong opinion about a coach. Would you have expected those numbers from Bill Sheridan detractors?
So let me just get the Fewell complaints that everyone regurgitates regardless of how true or untrue (usually untrue) they are out of the way..
"He plays his CB's 10 yards off constantly" ( no, he doesn't )
"He always has them in a soft zone coverage" ( no, he doesn't )
"There are always miscommunications" ( there are miscommunications at some points in most secondaries. Until someone proves that it happens more to our football team than every other team, it's mostly hogwash. Watch more football. )
"He's always running a shittty Tampa 2" ( no, he's not.. just because Gruden pointed it out on one play does not mean it's the alignment we show constantly )
"He doesn't play to the strengths of our players" ( this is where people fail to realize that the CB's aren't the only defensive players on the field. Everyone wants man coverage until we lose Jon Beason and Mark Herzlich gets caught covering a quick RB or is mismatched against a physically superior TE. Just because DRC and Prince may excel in man doesn't mean our linebackers will. And mostly, they don't"
And the last point, which Retro made, is that Fewell has been at his best when he's been able to use 3 safeties and use his Bison package. Well, guess what. He can't this year because Will Hill is gone, Mundy is gone and now his 3rd safety is Demps and Stevie Brown is about a slow as a snail as it is. He has one good safety (Rolle)
The game against the Lions sucked. We have to be better than that. But we were on Sunday.
Fewell's defenses were also top 5 in turnovers forced in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and were 8th last year. The guy is not nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be and a lot of the issues you think our defense has are not things uncommon to most of the league. Every defense runs zone coverages at times. Guys get open at some points in football games. It happens.
But I've already exhausted myself on this topic and really no matter what, these posts are going to keep popping up no matter how baseless they are, so.. FIRE FEWELL!
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who are sure that Fewell is not doing a good job based on the criteria that you've laid out:
- How often do the Giants blitz?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
- How often to the Giants play Cover 2?
- How does this compare to the rest of the league?
Actual numbers please. I'm sure you guys have this information, since you seem to be so sure about your opinions.
That's a very unrealistic expectation for having a strong opinion about a coach. Would you have expected those numbers from Bill Sheridan detractors?
If I were trying to make the case that we don't blitz enough and play too much zone, the 1st thing I'd do is try to figure out how much we blitz and how much zone we play. Then I'd compare those numbers to the rest of the league.
Otherwise I'd just be making things up (which is exactly what most of these posters are doing).
3rd down conversion ranking in the Fewell Era:
2014: 31st 53.6% (so far)
2013: 22nd 40.1%
2012: 30th 42.4%
2011: 16th 36.7%
2010: 1st 31.7%
For instance, right after the offense puts us up, they let the other team go right down the field and take the lead back, or get close to it.
Even during the last "Super Bowl season. Where would the Giants have been had Romo not overthrown a wide open receiver on 3rd down after Eli had brought the Giants back into the game. Answer: home watching the play offs.
In the Super Bowl itself. Brady and Welker hook up on a wide open receiver, no Super Bowl victory for the Giants. Even at 4th and 18 to clinch the victory his defense couldn't get a stop instead having to withstand a hail Mary that came too close to be completed.
I don't have the stats, you ask for, but my eyes don't lie. His defense for the most part gives up too many big plays week in and week out.
Tell me, are you confident they will get a stop on 3rd down, regardless of the yardage. I'm not.
Last week 3rd and 18. I said to my kids. I don't feel confident that they will get a stop here......they didn't
Not comparing the two squads, just the selective memories..Again, for the 46th time, going back to my first year, 1956, the fans were calling them the "3rd down Giants."
Then I guess awesome players like Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Avril, etc all just mask the deficiencies of the Seattle defense too, right?
This is such a weird way to look at it. Which defenses perform well without any good players? By your logic, any good defense is just having its deficiencies "masked" by the good players on it and every DC sucks.
Even during the last "Super Bowl season. Where would the Giants have been had Romo not overthrown a wide open receiver on 3rd down after Eli had brought the Giants back into the game. Answer: home watching the play offs.
In the Super Bowl itself. Brady and Welker hook up on a wide open receiver, no Super Bowl victory for the Giants. Even at 4th and 18 to clinch the victory his defense couldn't get a stop instead having to withstand a hail Mary that came too close to be completed.
I don't have the stats, you ask for, but my eyes don't lie. His defense for the most part gives up too many big plays week in and week out.
Tell me, are you confident they will get a stop on 3rd down, regardless of the yardage. I'm not.
Last week 3rd and 18. I said to my kids. I don't feel confident that they will get a stop here......they didn't
I would like to see them be better on 3rd downs as well. But I am genuinely curious as to how this same DC had this defense better than any other defense in football in that regard during his 1st year here. How do we know how much of it is him and how much of it are his players? It's kind of impossible to know. Were we only good in 2010 because his players bailed him out? Have we had subpar talent since? I don't know the right answer but it's probably not that cut and dry.
As for plays where we got breaks. Eh. Every Super Bowl champion probably got a break somewhere along the line. I can sit here and say "what if this play never happened?" about every team in NFL history and their fate would have changed. That's kind of how football works. There's a luck element involved and all teams either are on the beneficial side or the unfortunate side. I don't think it's fair to dismiss how well this defense played against a 15-1 Packer team with the best offense in football that year just because we caught a break in Dallas.
It's frustrating.
Right before halftime, after the Giants scored to come within 3, with 30 seconds left the Cardinals nearly went right down the field. In thirty f-cking seconds. Were not scared that they were going to score? Because I sure as hell was.
30 seconds before halftime, that's bad.
They've been atrocious on third down....especially third and long.
No forced turnovers? Long drives.
The Giants had the ball three times in the first half on Sunday because the defense couldn't get off of the field.
What I find interesting is Coughlin is getting publicly frustrated with it ("no idea why Damontre Moore didn't play more", "why are we worse at giving up third-and-longs?")
Why are we defending the defense again?
Criticize the defense, fine, but they weren't the biggest culprit on Sunday.
Criticize the defense, fine, but they weren't the biggest culprit on Sunday.
They were/are one third of the problem.
Does anyone think, outside of one 6 game stretch in 2011, that a Perry Fewell defense can hold a fourth quarter lead for the offense, consistently?
The Quinn thing is pretty much inexplicable at this point. This has been going on for years.
If that's "carved up", every D in football got torched this week.
Got it. So they matter when they're convenient. Don't matter when they conflict.
His stat line didn't look like much, but watching he sure looked more than effective on Sunday.
Why are you trying to deflect from the topic?
In your opinion, the defense is good?
Nothing to see here?
That would settle a lot of these debates
They were supposed to be the strength of our team. They are just flat out not getting it done.