Andrew Luck

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In comment 11865978 mrvax said: Quote: I see Nicks caught 1 pass for -4 yards. Is he useless again this year? He was open a few times and Luck tried to hit him on a fade but it wouldv'e been a tough catch. It is amazing how quickly you can go from a top player to just barely hanging on in this league. Foles didn't play well...the thing is he also had several tipped passes fall incomplete. With the Giants if the ball goes up in the air it's intercepted. I don't know what the deal is.

Yeah, 9/10 times, if Eli's pass is tipped in any way, shoulder pad, ankle, helmet, hands, off the jock, off the gatorade bucket... it's getting picked.

missed a ton of passes and was very high the whole game. With the way McCoy/Sproles ran lastnight, he should have been a lot better.

In comment 11866010 UConn4523 said:

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missed a ton of passes and was very high the whole game. With the way McCoy/Sproles ran lastnight, he should have been a lot better.

I bet he was, Panama Red.

In comment 11865996 Britt in VA said:

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last night, and if I recall correctly, like 2/3 or some insanely high number of the yards thrown for were YAC.

I think all but 2 of Sproles 150ish Receiving yards was YAC.

There's a reason why the 2011 Superstar was ignored by the entire league in FA and why he only received an embarrassing 1 year deal..

Hakeem, do you really think your tank job last year wasn't noticed?

how mediocre Trent Richardson has ended up being. He was so damn nasty in college. He just ran with such ferocity. But he looks so timid in the NFL. Bradshaw is still clearly the better back on that team, as long as he stays healthy. And last night was one of Richardson's more productive games and I still came away with a negative impression.

Just amazing to me what a bust this guy is. He looked like such a sure thing. Maybe he resurrects his career in a few years and drops the bust label like Reggie Bush has, but I just don't see it.

about Foles.

Watch the game, and watch the throws he has to make.

They are all extemely easy. The only tough throw he makes is the pass in the seam to the TE (and due to arm strength, this is the only "tough" pass he can throw).

He's slow (not talking about running speed) - in everything he does - setup, velocity of ball.

You never see him throw a 15 yard out.

I've come to to conclusion that a backup QB could easily run that offense, due to the pace, and extremely easy throws.

Having never seen him in College, I only "know" TR from reports and BBI. To your point, Ced Benson(as a Bengal) had a rather productive career after failing with the Bears. Decent comparison?

They didn't bring in enough skill player talent this offseason. And beckham is hurt of course...

In comment 11866042 djm said:

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They didn't bring in enough skill player talent this offseason. And beckham is hurt of course...

Here's something a pro-Reese guy will say about Sproles. JR/TC fucked up royally by not going after Sproles when he was available from SD..He's older now, but I STILL would have gone after him..A true fuck-up imv

might benefit Richardson. He looked pretty inspired on a few of his runs last night. Mostly the ones right after Bradshaw had just made a good play.

The love for that guy is off the charts!! I have yet to hear one negative thing about his play. While I must admit, last night was the first time I've watched him play an entire game. But it's heard for me to embrace the love based on that. Additionally, I just am not impressed by the Colts. They appear to be a much lesser version of Manning era in Indy. No defense...even with Mathis on the field, and there line is not good either.

Also, on the Foles vs. Luck thing. If the teams reversed QBs last night, the Eagles would have won by a whole lot more than 3 points. IMO.

Imagine the reaction if Eli threw the pick Luck threw at the end? Defensive holding or not.

In comment 11866070 bceagle05 said:

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Imagine the reaction if Eli threw the pick Luck threw at the end? Defensive holding or not.

Oh, there is no doubt Eli would be trashed mercilessly this morning if he had the game luck had last night.

In comment 11866046 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 11866042 djm said: Quote: They didn't bring in enough skill player talent this offseason. And beckham is hurt of course... Here's something a pro-Reese guy will say about Sproles. JR/TC fucked up royally by not going after Sproles when he was available from SD..He's older now, but I STILL would have gone after him..A true fuck-up imv

Flip a coin. If they sign him and he gets hurt, Reese is getting drawn and quartered for signing an older player since older players are more prone to injury.

In comment 11866039 Big Blue '56 said:

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Having never seen him in College, I only "know" TR from reports and BBI. To your point, Ced Benson(as a Bengal) had a rather productive career after failing with the Bears. Decent comparison?

Yep, that sounds like good comparison. I just searched up recent RBs selected in the Top 10 and Benson was the guy who reminded me the most of Richardson.

Both guys were power backs with good but not great speed/quickness. Both guys dominated in college. Both guys were Top 5 draft picks.

Maybe Richardson can put up a few workhorse 1000 yd seasons to shed the outright bust label like Benson did.

I've watched Trent since he was breaking Emmitt Smith's records at Escambia High in Pensacola, and I've been really shocked by how poorly he's played as a professional. You rarely see the speed-power combo that made him such a high draft pick. Frankly, these days he runs like Ron Dayne.

the guy is built like a brick bunker.

But he was an absolute load to bring down in college and broke a ton of tackles. He hasn't done that at all in the NFL.

Someone who has watched 1 game, last nights, and then came to the conclusion that he's not legit? IMO, if Luck was in a system like NO, GB or Denver, he'd be right up there with those QB's. I'm not sure there is a weakness to Andrew Luck. Physically, he's blessed. Intelligence, he's blessed. Determination...it's there. Ego, the dude's got none, he's a prototypical team player. Luck is for real.

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The Bama OL definitely helped Richardson (and Ingram), you have to take that into consideration. But Eddie Lacy played behind a similar OL right after Richardson, and didn't look nearly as explosive as Trent. But here we are in the NFL and Lacy looks like an absolute load while Richardson looks like he barely belongs. Just makes no sense to me how much better Lacy looks based on what I saw in college.

Yet, while Ingram has been pedestrian in NO, he's been much better than Richardson too. I agree, it's mystifying. I don't know if it's conditioning, desire, inability to learn the offense or what, but something's missing with him.

I feel like the caveman look only helps....on the field.

Sproles had more YAC on one reception, than all the Giant receivers in two games....

TR and Ingram. I may have been lucky but to me, I could just see it after a small sample size of Lacy's collegiate career.

'Bama OL makes all these guys look great.

In comment 11866178 dangerousrappingfrog said:

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TR and Ingram. I may have been lucky but to me, I could just see it after a small sample size of Lacy's collegiate career. 'Bama OL makes all these guys look great.

you do know Lacy is two concussions from calling it a career right?

it's good to see them rotate him in there, instead of putting the burden of the running game on Bradshaw......this is how we should have used him, instead of running him into the ground....

maybe it's my perception, but his rookie year I thought he looked a lot like AB in his angry running style and actually broke quite a few tackles. Found this which somewhat supports that:

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Alright, so what do we know? We know Trent Richardson is a big back with a good speed score who is a more than capable pass catcher out of the backfield. We also know that, while not particularly good, T. Rich has probably only been slightly worse than you’d expect before contact. The bad news is that, despite breaking tackles as well as anyone in the league, Richardson has been transcendently bad in generating yards after contact and it’s gotten to the point where its impacting an NFL teams’ desire to play him in games. If we were going to turn this data into a narrative it would probably sound something like: “The biggest issue Richardson is having is that he has a hard time getting restarted once his feet are stopped…” and in fact that’s a direct quote from this article by Ben Muth.

Breaks tackles, goes no where - ( New Window )

if not for YAC by Sproles/McCoy (and horrid tackling by Indy), his numbers would've blown. He had WRs with a step or 2 on the CBs down the field a few times and overthrew them.

are due to D players either being around the receiver or can get to the receiver quickly enough to make the catch.
Most if not all other teams in the NFL are either or both of faster or quicker than the Giants.

that's a really weird weakness. Breaks a ton of tackles but can't get going after breaking them.

my fantasy points told me so...

In comment 11866003 okiegiant said:

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In comment 11865978 mrvax said: Quote: I see Nicks caught 1 pass for -4 yards. Is he useless again this year? He was open a few times and Luck tried to hit him on a fade but it wouldv'e been a tough catch. It is amazing how quickly you can go from a top player to just barely hanging on in this league. Foles didn't play well...the thing is he also had several tipped passes fall incomplete. With the Giants if the ball goes up in the air it's intercepted. I don't know what the deal is.

Well in a way it's better to know he lost it than he was dogging it last year.

In comment 11866046 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 11866042 djm said: Quote: They didn't bring in enough skill player talent this offseason. And beckham is hurt of course... Here's something a pro-Reese guy will say about Sproles. JR/TC fucked up royally by not going after Sproles when he was available from SD..He's older now, but I STILL would have gone after him..A true fuck-up imv

and yet LaMichael James is sitting out there waiting for a phone call....

In comment 11866289 old man said:

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are due to D players either being around the receiver or can get to the receiver quickly enough to make the catch. Most if not all other teams in the NFL are either or both of faster or quicker than the Giants.

I think a big reason for this is due to the horrific pass protection of the offensive line. Since Eli has no time to throw, there is no threat of the deep ball because our receivers don't have time to run long vertical routes, and so we can't stretch out the defense to make the underneath routes effective.

However, if you watch the Eagles, Foles has all the time in the world to throw, which gives guys like Cooper, Ertz, and Maclin the opportunity to run deep, stretch out the secondary and then dump off underneath routes to McCoy and Sproles.

In comment 11866354 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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In comment 11866289 old man said: Quote: are due to D players either being around the receiver or can get to the receiver quickly enough to make the catch. Most if not all other teams in the NFL are either or both of faster or quicker than the Giants. I think a big reason for this is due to the horrific pass protection of the offensive line. Since Eli has no time to throw, there is no threat of the deep ball because our receivers don't have time to run long vertical routes, and so we can't stretch out the defense to make the underneath routes effective. However, if you watch the Eagles, Foles has all the time in the world to throw, which gives guys like Cooper, Ertz, and Maclin the opportunity to run deep, stretch out the secondary and then dump off underneath routes to McCoy and Sproles.

The Giants also don't really have any deep threats at WR and as well as Donnell has played the 1st 2 games, he's not really a danger stretching Ds down the seam either.

Foles had 331 passing yards, Eagles had 233 yards after the catch. I'm trying to think of a way to say this without knocking Foles but it is a very, very QB friendly offense.

a pass on third down in FG range with the best kicker in NFL history was a monumental blunder. The Eagles always eems to benefit from that type of stuff.
Pagano blew the game.

makes my all-Amish team.

In comment 11866372 j_rud said:

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Foles had 331 passing yards, Eagles had 233 yards after the catch. I'm trying to think of a way to say this without knocking Foles but it is a very, very QB friendly offense.

I don't know if the Colts pass rush is just that pathetic or if the Eagles OL is that good, but I can't recall ever seeing a QB have that much time on every play. And yet, Foles would still overthrow his targets unless it was a dump off.

broke down, the nagging injuries just caught up to him. He looked awful, lost his explosiveness.

of love when he comes back to the Meadowlands.

He has taken a physically beating, partly because of how he plays the game. I fear for what he is going to go through as he ages.

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Foles had 331 passing yards, Eagles had 233 yards after the catch. I'm trying to think of a way to say this without knocking Foles but it is a very, very QB friendly offense.

Credit their coaches, who understand the limitations of their QB and create an environment that he can succeed in.

Of course, the rest of the league will adjust soon enough so the coaches will have to keep reinventing their offense until they get a more capable QB.

In comment 11866014 Big Blue '56 said:

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There's a reason why the 2011 Superstar was ignored by the entire league in FA and why he only received an embarrassing 1 year deal.. Hakeem, do you really think your tank job last year wasn't noticed?

And have you actually seen that coaches' film? I went up on Youtube to see if anyone had collected those no-effort plays on which Nicks' character is being slandered. All I found were interviews with Nicks' with him saying nice things about the Giants, and especially Eli, who had taught him everything, and who was the first to call him after he had signed with the Colts. In one interview the reporter asked him if would characterize his relationship with Coughlin as a love/hate relationship and Nicks said that no, it was just a love relationship.

Nicks has had his character destroyed without the benefit of due process. I wonder if Cruz will be next. Dropped three passes on which the game might have turned. Fox analyst said he wasn't getting the separation that he was used to seeing. No touchdown catches yet and only four last year, down from 10 and 9 in his first two seasons. Is Cruz fat and happy with his big contract and his ring and isn't going to extend himself in a hopelessly lost season? Stay tuned.

not playing hard, doesn't have a bad word to say about him, the same as all his other teammates, and is the first to call Nicks after he signs with the Colts, indicating that he doesn't think Nicks was intentionally not playing hard, but Eli isn't really that bright and Bruce knows better.

In comment 11867356 Reese's Pieces said:

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Quote: Nicks has had his character destroyed without the benefit of due process. I wonder if Cruz will be next. Dropped three passes on which the game might have turned. Fox analyst said he wasn't getting the separation that he was used to seeing. No touchdown catches yet and only four last year, down from 10 and 9 in his first two seasons. Is Cruz fat and happy with his big contract and his ring and isn't going to extend himself in a hopelessly lost season? Stay tuned.

The decline in Cruz's numbers reflect the decline in the quality of the receiver playing opposite him. Nicks was a beast in '11 and '12. He fell of big last year and didn't demand as much attention. Now he's gone, hasn't been adequately replaced (ODB notwithstanding), and Ds can really load up against him.

As for fans turning on you, dropping 3 passes in some big spots after calling for the ball all week isn't going to endear you to anyone.

and Eli were reasonably tight. Remember, when Nicks spent an offseason totally blowing off Coughlin and the rest of the team like a douche, he still showed up when Manning asked him to at Duke to work out, even before he was fully medically cleared.

Anyone who watched 2013 unfold knows there were plays where Nicks held back, for whatever reason, but they should also know that he was a shell of his past self (still is) and was likely seeing his big pay day slip further away and away, into not existing at all. He may have left Eli out to dry a few times too many, but as a friend, Manning probably could feel for him a bit -- at least once they got away from the season enough for perspective to settle in-- and I would think would wish him well in his future career endeavors.

that he won't be as effective as most thought unless he has another receiver at least as good as him to draw some of the double coverage.

It's all upsetting. In 2011 and early 2012 (when the Giants beat both the Packers and the 49ers again in the regular season by 38-10 and 26-3) Manning, Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, even with mediocre line protection, were the best downfield passing unit in the league. It all fell apart so quickly.

Bradshaw I think made some sense when he accused the Giants of turning over their roster to get rid of young, expensive vets as soon as they had a younger and cheaper player to take over that position. You need some vets on the team, even if you have to pay them. Look at the effect Beason had on the defense last year.