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Playing not to lose vs. playing to win

Archer : 9/16/2014 12:10 pm
The Giants are playing not to lose rather than playing to win.

It appears that due to many circumstances that the Giants have become overly conservative and risk adverse to an extreme.

The reasons for the conservative approach are compelling. There is the adoption of a new offensive scheme, the infusion of 21 new players on the 53 man roster (40%), and a lack of quality play makers. The conservative game planning is an attempt to minimize the negative plays and to give the team a chance to win. Coach Coughlin is by his nature a conservative coach. His conservative approach worked well when he had the quality personnel and the continuity of schemes.

I think that it is time to throw caution to the wind. I was impressed by the Cardinals game plan. Despite having a backup quarterback, and a decimated defense, the Cardinals were aggressive and attacking. The Cardinals by their approach created pressure on the Giants offense and defense that resulted in game changing plays. The Giants need to change their outlook and perspective. They should be attacking in all phases of the game.

I would like to see an attacking defense similar to the schemes employed by Steve Spagnola. The Tampa 2 and soft zones on third down do not work. If you give a good NFL quarterback time he will find the holes in the zones. The Tampa 2 is intended to minimize the potential for big plays, yet the Giants are among the leaders in giving up plays beyond 15 yards. My biggest concern is that I am not certain that Perry Fewell is capable of creating deceptive blitzes; they do not appear to be part of his repertoire.

I would like to see the Giants establish the pass and then run. Ben McAdoo and Coach Coughlin seem to be intent on establishing the run. McAdoo is becoming very predictable and his game calling constantly puts pressure on Eli to make the third and 5 plays. Eli historically has been a much better passer in first and second downs. His efficiency diminishes when confronted with third and long. The Giants are really hampered in their run game as they do not have the personnel to attack the edges of a defense. Therefore, 90% of their runs are between the tackles. The Cardinals and the Lions stacked the box and first and second downs daring the Giants to run. I would prefer to see the Giants be creative in the obvious running situations implementing; shuttle passes, end arounds, reverses, screen passes, rather than a dive play. It would also be interesting to see if the Giants could occasionally attempt some trick plays. I can’t remember a Coughlin team ever using a half back option, flea flicker, etc.

The special teams need to be better and smarter. Don’t ever punt to the middle of the field again. Directional kicking can eliminate half the field and minimize returns. It also creates better angles for the special teams’ players and utilizes the out of bounds as an additional defender. It would be exciting to see the first fake punt in the Coughlin era.

The aggressive approach may not work but the alternative has not been successful and at the laest it would be a lot more interesting watching the games.
Wow!  
Lord Zedd : 9/16/2014 12:12 pm : link
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McAdoo is becoming very predictable


Damn.
I did open  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 12:12 pm : link
this
So what are you asking?  
Jupiter : 9/16/2014 1:02 pm : link
You would like to see a team personality transplant starting with the Head Coach. I am sure that is easy to do before the next game.

You would like to see offensive and defensive plays by personnel who are not qualified to execute those plays.

You would like to see more risky plays by a QB who, although he sometimes can make seemingly impossible plays when he has to, throws an interception every time he makes a risky play.

I do agree that you can't sign coverage CBs and then ask them to play a soft zone for more than half the plays.
truth  
mattlawson : 9/16/2014 1:04 pm : link
"I do agree that you can't sign coverage CBs and then ask them to play a soft zone for more than half the plays."
If you don't lose  
Jerry in DC : 9/16/2014 1:10 pm : link
then you win. Unless you tie. Think about it.
Coughlin's teams always play to win.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 1:12 pm : link
Need examples? Because his approach may not coincide with yours, doesn't mean he doesn't always play to win..
We've been playing  
Randy in CT : 9/16/2014 1:39 pm : link
not to win.

Hope this helps?
Well  
mrvax : 9/16/2014 1:39 pm : link
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I would like to see the Giants establish the pass and then run.


Maybe when ODB comes back to play. The only proven receiver is Cruz. You want to establish the run to get your new Oline in sync. Yes, they need to start blocking better and picking up at least 4.0 YPC.
Freakin' Victor Cruz  
Phil in Joisey : 9/16/2014 1:58 pm : link
If he catches that third down pass while we still had the lead we wouldn't be subjected to this thread.
RE: Well  
Bill in UT : 9/16/2014 2:13 pm : link
In comment 11866405 mrvax said:
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I would like to see the Giants establish the pass and then run.



Maybe when ODB comes back to play. The only proven receiver is Cruz. You want to establish the run to get your new Oline in sync. Yes, they need to start blocking better and picking up at least 4.0 YPC.


The guy hasn't played a down as a pro yet. Maybe a little premature to assume he's going to be a savior. When he "comes back" Cruz will still be the only "proven" receiver
That's a lot of words....  
Britt in VA : 9/16/2014 2:14 pm : link
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Conservative play  
Patrick77 : 9/16/2014 2:26 pm : link
Really when you go into a game against what is likely a middle of the pack team that is missing its starting quarterback and significant pieces of its defense there is no incentive to take risks.

I would have been happier with the Giants playing more conservatively against Arizona. For example a conservative team probably doesn't have a kick returner that runs out a kick 8 yards in his own end zone or a punter that kicks a line drive punt to an excellent punt returner.

More aggressive play wouldn't have stopped the drops and would likely have increased the interceptions Eli through.
Oy  
clatterbuck : 9/16/2014 3:32 pm : link
and vey.
I have to disagree  
Matt M. : 9/16/2014 3:54 pm : link
First, they aren't playing conservative. The WC style offense they are running consists mostly of short to intermediate routes. That said, they still took a number of shots downfield that simply didn't work. Second, they blitzed a lot more than usual and with more success than usual.
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