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BlueHurricane : 9/16/2014 12:24 pm
Trumaine McBride will be taking Thurmond's place in the lineup.

Also he is not worried one bit. Saw something in the team last week.

He did say it may be Herzlich in the middle for Beason. We are cooked if that is the case.

Called it an absolute must win this week.
Herzlich  
Josh in the City : 9/16/2014 12:26 pm : link
is not an NFL caliber LB. Don't understand why we can't find a better player.
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Danny Kanell : 9/16/2014 12:27 pm : link
Going from Beason to Herzlich is one of the biggest drops in talent you can experience from an injury an any particular position.
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robbieballs2003 : 9/16/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11866249 Danny Kanell said:
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Going from Beason to Herzlich is one of the biggest drops in talent you can experience from an injury an any particular position.


That may be the case but he is a special teams player and it is taking two injuries for him to play. Not much you can do about that.
Avert your eyes  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2014 12:28 pm : link
Jesus, how far has Paysinger fallen in the eyes of the coaches if he's losing out to Herzlich here?
Would much rather see  
Vin R : 9/16/2014 12:31 pm : link
Kennard - McClain - Williams
RE: Would much rather see  
Blue Baller : 9/16/2014 12:32 pm : link
In comment 11866258 Vin R said:
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Kennard - McClain - Williams


Kennard is hurt
I think McClain will play in the middle.  
arcarsenal : 9/16/2014 12:32 pm : link
Herzlich is really bad.
RE: RE: Would much rather see  
Vin R : 9/16/2014 12:34 pm : link
In comment 11866261 Blue Baller said:
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In comment 11866258 Vin R said:


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Kennard - McClain - Williams



Kennard is hurt


I thought he was week to week..?
Don't think  
mrvax : 9/16/2014 12:35 pm : link
Kennard is ready.
If Kennard was healthy  
Matt M. : 9/16/2014 12:35 pm : link
I think it would be a slam dunk to put McClain in the middle. Even without him, isn't Paysinger at OLB a better option than Herzlich at MLB? Hell, maybe we just use 2 LBs for most of the game.
RE: RE: RE: Would much rather see  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 12:37 pm : link
In comment 11866271 Vin R said:
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In comment 11866261 Blue Baller said:


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In comment 11866258 Vin R said:


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Kennard - McClain - Williams



Kennard is hurt



I thought he was week to week..?


Yes, and this isn't his week. He's not even practicing yet.
RE: If Kennard was healthy  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/16/2014 12:39 pm : link
In comment 11866273 Matt M. said:
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I think it would be a slam dunk to put McClain in the middle. Even without him, isn't Paysinger at OLB a better option than Herzlich at MLB? Hell, maybe we just use 2 LBs for most of the game.


The coaches went to great length to avoid even putting Paysinger (who was 100% healthy by all accounts) on the field Sunday. That should tell us something.

On the radio broadcast, the question came up as to whether Paysinger is in the doghouse for something. Neither Papa or Banks could figure out why he wasn't in the game.
RE: If Kennard was healthy  
arcarsenal : 9/16/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11866273 Matt M. said:
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I think it would be a slam dunk to put McClain in the middle. Even without him, isn't Paysinger at OLB a better option than Herzlich at MLB? Hell, maybe we just use 2 LBs for most of the game.


We can't even really do this because our 3rd safety is Quintin Demps and he is awful.

We're already in a bad spot defensive personnel wise.
RE: If Kennard was healthy  
GIANTSr01 : 9/16/2014 12:42 pm : link
In comment 11866273 Matt M. said:
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I think it would be a slam dunk to put McClain in the middle. Even without him, isn't Paysinger at OLB a better option than Herzlich at MLB? Hell, maybe we just use 2 LBs for most of the game.


Texans are going to run. And run some more. Can't go with a "small" lineup this week.

Week 1: 22 passes, 34 runs (though 5 by Fitzpatrick)
Week 2: 19 passes, 46 runs
Love Herzlich but I'd run a 5-2 and nickle packages  
ImaGiant86 : 9/16/2014 12:46 pm : link
before putting him out there as our 3rd LB again.

It really stood out how much we missed Beason when Ellington had that big run on the right side in the 2nd half. There was an opportunity for a play to be made but Herzlich couldn't get to the hole in time to meet Ellington and it cost us dearly.

He simply doesn't have the quickness and athleticism to be anything other than a special teams player.
Yup, McBride,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 12:46 pm : link
Just as I thought
if we can't stop the run this week,  
Simms11 : 9/16/2014 12:49 pm : link
we will be 0-3, no doubt. Pays in get needs to see time this week not Herzlich.
paysinger...  
Simms11 : 9/16/2014 12:51 pm : link
DaMN auto correct.
it's amazing....  
damdevs : 9/16/2014 1:03 pm : link

if this is true that Herzlich is replacing Beason in the middle then I've lost all hope for this team.

One just has to ask themselves WTH are the coaches seeing on film that is plain as day to the average fan. Watching Herzlich play this Sunday was painful. He has no business being on any NFL roster. And that not to be a knock on him as a person.....

I'm curious to hear from the "coaching staff knows all and walks on water" crowd about this decision.

i'm sick of this guy  
Loluchka80 : 9/16/2014 1:04 pm : link
so if it's a must win and they lose, does that mean the season is over?

guys a clown.
Herzlich is Carlos Emmons redux  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 1:04 pm : link
Jacquian Williams tackles like Bryan Kehl

I would put Berhe in and play 3 safeties. At least that guy is rangy and wants to hit.
how long is Kennard out  
chris r : 9/16/2014 1:04 pm : link
Williams- McClain-Kennard is our most passable LB combo in Beason's absence IMO.
this team places no value  
SHO'NUFF : 9/16/2014 1:05 pm : link
on speed
I question if Herzlich is even a good special teams player  
SLIM : 9/16/2014 1:05 pm : link
let me rephrase that, he isn't good enough combined with his linebacking (non)skills to be on an NFL roster.

can we play that 3 safety look and 2 LBs  
mattlawson : 9/16/2014 1:06 pm : link
please? anything but Herz. D completely collapsed with him in there.
RE: Avert your eyes  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11866252 Greg from LI said:
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Jesus, how far has Paysinger fallen in the eyes of the coaches if he's losing out to Herzlich here?


Yeah I just don't understand it at all. I agree with how many have described Herzlich. He is like a chicken with his head cut off out there.
Here's to..  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 1:09 pm : link
..hoping perhaps Demps can be our new Deon Grant. It's unlikely, but with Paysinger seemingly in the dog house, I think that could be our only hope.
put  
blue42 : 9/16/2014 1:11 pm : link
McClain in the middle....it's a no brainer.
Lolchucka  
Sehorn : 9/16/2014 1:11 pm : link
Sick of this guy?? At the end of the day "This guy" helped win us a SUPER BOWL(did u forget that?) he's the leader of our D and has was our best player last year.
You sir are the clown
RE: Herzlich is Carlos Emmons redux  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/16/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11866334 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Jacquian Williams tackles like Bryan Kehl

I would put Berhe in and play 3 safeties. At least that guy is rangy and wants to hit.


^^^this^^^
A lot of you are confused/don't know what you're talking about  
NYGmen58 : 9/16/2014 1:13 pm : link
Beason is a MLB, as is Herzlich. McClain can't move inside because with Kennard out, we don't have any other WILL.

Paysinger and Williams both play the same Position (SAM), so that is why Herzlich would start.

Has nothing to do with Paysinger "falling in the coaches eyes" or him being a worse option than Herzlich. They simply play different positions.

Get a clue fellas.
I could sit me down  
LPete : 9/16/2014 1:13 pm : link
and explain to me why Herzlich is on this roster from now until the end of time, and I still wouldn't get it. I'm surprised he kept his spot over Terrell Manning.
RE: Lolchucka  
Loluchka80 : 9/16/2014 1:16 pm : link
In comment 11866351 Sehorn said:
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Sick of this guy?? At the end of the day "This guy" helped win us a SUPER BOWL(did u forget that?) he's the leader of our D and has was our best player last year.
You sir are the clown


i should have clarified. i'm sick of his mouth the last 2 years. not his play.
Coughlin  
RetroJint : 9/16/2014 1:17 pm : link
sounded yesterday like Kennard is heading to IR
Here's a shocker, assumptions  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 1:17 pm : link
on here running amok..He said "may be Herzlich." It also MAY be McClain..

Nothing has been said about who will or will not be in the middle..Let's also wait on the definitive Beason update first.
McClain  
blue42 : 9/16/2014 1:18 pm : link
played in the middle all preseason.
RE: how long is Kennard out  
BlueHurricane : 9/16/2014 1:19 pm : link
In comment 11866335 chris r said:
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Williams- McClain-Kennard is our most passable LB combo in Beason's absence IMO.


He has the same injury as Beckham....... It is anyone's guess
Why not Paysinger with McClain the middle?  
jeff57 : 9/16/2014 1:21 pm : link
Why are we burning one of the 6 LB spots with a player who can't play LB?
" he is not worried one bit. Saw something in the team last week. "  
jeff57 : 9/16/2014 1:22 pm : link
Same BS as last year.
RE: Why not Paysinger with McClain the middle?  
NYGmen58 : 9/16/2014 1:24 pm : link
In comment 11866374 jeff57 said:
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Why are we burning one of the 6 LB spots with a player who can't play LB?


They could do that out of desperation but again they play the same position. You don't want two small finesse LBs on the field at the same time (Paysinger and Williams). They will run on the Giants ALL DAY!
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mrvax : 9/16/2014 1:30 pm : link
In comment 11866377 jeff57 said:
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Same BS as last year.


Do you really want him to say "I can't believe just how bad we suck."?
RE: RE: Why not Paysinger with McClain the middle?  
GIANTSr01 : 9/16/2014 1:36 pm : link
In comment 11866380 NYGmen58 said:
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In comment 11866374 jeff57 said:


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Why are we burning one of the 6 LB spots with a player who can't play LB?



They could do that out of desperation but again they play the same position. You don't want two small finesse LBs on the field at the same time (Paysinger and Williams). They will run on the Giants ALL DAY!


I think the point is that even with Herz in there, they'll be running on the Giants all day. So at least Paysinger gives them a little more speed and maybe the ability to cover the RBs/TEs.
Herzlich doesn't even have a high motor.  
pencap75 : 9/16/2014 2:22 pm : link
Don't understand why he is even in the NFL. He is not special teams ace, let alone a back up LB.
Giants win 5 of last 6 games  
Reale01 : 9/16/2014 2:28 pm : link
Finish 5-11. Things are looking up! No major changes.
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