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"Jon Beason could be out a while"

Eli 2 Nicks : 9/16/2014 12:30 pm
After aggravating toe injury that sidelined him all of camp. According to ESPN. (team stream app update)

Happy Tuesday.
Of course he is.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2014 12:31 pm : link
Was there really every any other option?
link  
Eli 2 Nicks : 9/16/2014 12:31 pm : link
for story
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Sooo,  
Killed the K-Gun : 9/16/2014 12:32 pm : link
who worked out this Tuesday?

We could see them on the field shortly.
maybe he crushes it again  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2014 12:35 pm : link
after going 0-6?
I think we're going to find out...  
81_Great_Dane : 9/16/2014 12:40 pm : link
... if Devon Kennard is for real.
I just  
Eli 2 Nicks : 9/16/2014 12:43 pm : link
do not want to see Herzlich out there. Great person, horrible defender.
RE: I think we're going to find out...  
Antdog23 : 9/16/2014 12:45 pm : link
In comment 11866281 81_Great_Dane said:
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... if Devon Kennard is for real.


Not any time soon.
"Could be out awhile" is just  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 12:49 pm : link
speculation on Graziano's part. We all thought that..I'll wait for respected people in the trade to give us the skinny
An I missing something?  
Fort Mill Mike : 9/16/2014 12:50 pm : link
This seems like speculation. I expected to see something about the MRI results. What is that claim based on?
This fucking  
area junc : 9/16/2014 12:51 pm : link
Team

Mark Herzlich at MLB.....oh boy  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2014 12:52 pm : link

''Injury Prone Player Gets Injured''  
SB : 9/16/2014 12:53 pm : link
Oh well. Maybe Reese will actually scout and draft a quality LB one of these days...
nothing in concrete  
Eli 2 Nicks : 9/16/2014 12:55 pm : link
just wanted to spread the news. He is a valuable asset to the defense.
Roi?  
area junc : 9/16/2014 12:57 pm : link
Money well spent

Who were our primary adds?

Beason - gone
Thurmond - gone
Beckham - gone
Schwartz - gone

Hey at least drc's on the field. We needed all these guys 2 b impact players
Disappointing, but not surprising.  
Riggies : 9/16/2014 12:57 pm : link
You invest in guys like this, most of the time the investment isn't going to pay off.
Kennard is...  
Tark10 : 9/16/2014 12:58 pm : link
Out and will not play either.
Meanwhile, we've had 3 injured players get cleared  
SB : 9/16/2014 12:58 pm : link
(Wilson, Beckham and now Beason)... and each aggravated the injury. Fantastic. Dynamite work by the guys at the HSS.

Makes you wonder when Beatty will F up his leg again.
our medical staff  
SHO'NUFF : 9/16/2014 1:01 pm : link
is top notch! first they let Wilson back, then OBJ too early and now Beason
or  
SHO'NUFF : 9/16/2014 1:04 pm : link
what SB said
You'd have to be nuts to have counted on Beason.  
Victor in CT : 9/16/2014 1:06 pm : link
Herzlich is just awful though. Great story, great kid, but he is strictly a special teamer.
Is that  
Fish : 9/16/2014 1:10 pm : link
medical staff up to speed with new technology. Isn't Dr Warren 100+yrs old?
Our off-season signings have not worked out  
SGMen : 9/16/2014 1:14 pm : link
John Beason - always hurt these last 3 years.
G. Schwartz - average camp, out 1/2 season, got big $$
W. Thurmond - injures pec game 2, we will miss him.
W. Demps - can't start at FS over Brown, fumbles kO

Yes, it is early but the early returns on these signings are poor.

Oh well, we will see.
Guess Paysinger has to start  
jeff57 : 9/16/2014 1:16 pm : link
Just as long as it's not Herzlich.
that's on Reese....  
Simms11 : 9/16/2014 1:22 pm : link
if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.
RE: that's on Reese....  
Victor in CT : 9/16/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11866375 Simms11 said:
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if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.


agree. Reese has 'splainin' to do.
RE: that's on Reese....  
oldutican : 9/16/2014 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11866375 Simms11 said:
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if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.


Amen
RE: that's on Reese....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 1:32 pm : link
In comment 11866375 Simms11 said:
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if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.


If the guys he drafted wouldn't lose their careers unnaturally early to injury, he wouldn't have to draft to replace them and try to improve the team at the same time.
McClain should be playing MLB  
sjnyfan : 9/16/2014 1:35 pm : link
Herzlich never has been or never will be a MLB. Even in his BC days when he was at the top of his game, it was as an OLB.

LB should be

Paysinger-McClain-Williams with Herzlich in situational subpackages. Hopefully Kennard gets healthy real, real fast.
If this is the price we pay for Super Bowls 42 and 46,  
Exit 172 : 9/16/2014 1:35 pm : link
I'll pay it with a smile on my face.
I was against  
dontboobigblue : 9/16/2014 1:36 pm : link
Beason's contract for this reason. Guy cant stay healthy yet we gave him 18 million over 3 years.
So we're back to the start of  
Bill in UT : 9/16/2014 1:51 pm : link
last year, without Beason and Will Hill on the D. Good luck. Lost a lot of toughness.
RE: RE: that's on Reese....  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/16/2014 2:00 pm : link
In comment 11866392 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11866375 Simms11 said:


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if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.



If the guys he drafted wouldn't lose their careers unnaturally early to injury, he wouldn't have to draft to replace them and try to improve the team at the same time.


What LB did he draft that we lost to injury? Still waiting.....
Mara, after the season  
BeerFridge : 9/16/2014 2:02 pm : link
"The Player Personnel department is broken"
RE: RE: RE: that's on Reese....  
jeff57 : 9/16/2014 2:07 pm : link
In comment 11866456 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 11866392 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 11866375 Simms11 said:


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if he drafted better, he wouldn't have had to fix the gaping holes in the roster with these Free Agents.



If the guys he drafted wouldn't lose their careers unnaturally early to injury, he wouldn't have to draft to replace them and try to improve the team at the same time.



What LB did he draft that we lost to injury? Still waiting.....


Well Goff was one. But the more pertinent question is what LB did he draft that was any good. Other than Goff and Kennard, these are the LBs that he's drafted:

Kehl
Sintim
Jones
Williams
Dillard

Read it and weep.
Our 2014 FAs and their recent injury histories  
SB : 9/16/2014 2:19 pm : link
Beason - Missed 27 games in 2011 and 2012

Schwartz - Missed all of 2011. Started only 7 games in last three years

Thurmond - Missed 24 games in 2011 and 2012 (and blew out his ACL senior year of college)

And also, there's Walton and McClain, currently healthy but who also have missed serious time.

Walton - Missed 28 games in 2012 and 2013

McClain - Missed 9 games in past 2 years (IR'd in 2012 with a spinal contusion).

Some guys are just injury prone, sorry to say. And it's surprising with the injury issues in 2013 that Reese would sign these guys to big money and rely on them as starters. Depth maybe, but how could anyone be surprised when these guys get hurt again?

RE: Our 2014 FAs and their recent injury histories  
eclipz928 : 9/16/2014 2:38 pm : link
In comment 11866489 SB said:
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Beason - Missed 27 games in 2011 and 2012

Schwartz - Missed all of 2011. Started only 7 games in last three years

Thurmond - Missed 24 games in 2011 and 2012 (and blew out his ACL senior year of college)

And also, there's Walton and McClain, currently healthy but who also have missed serious time.

Walton - Missed 28 games in 2012 and 2013

McClain - Missed 9 games in past 2 years (IR'd in 2012 with a spinal contusion).

Some guys are just injury prone, sorry to say. And it's surprising with the injury issues in 2013 that Reese would sign these guys to big money and rely on them as starters. Depth maybe, but how could anyone be surprised when these guys get hurt again?


By definition, any player signed as a free agent either was too pricy for his previous team to afford or has some history of injuries. That "perfect" combination of a free agent player who is good enough to start, without a history of injury, and is affordable doesn't really exist.
Out of the LB's Reese drafted  
eclipz928 : 9/16/2014 3:02 pm : link
Kehl
Sintim
Jones
Williams
Dillard

Sintim was the only LB drafted earlier than the 4th round. And I still don't get why Reese keeps getting killed for that pick - Sintim was only active for 23 games between his rookie and sophomore year before he shredded up his knee and his career was over.
RE: Out of the LB's Reese drafted  
Victor in CT : 9/16/2014 3:07 pm : link
In comment 11866553 eclipz928 said:
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Kehl
Sintim
Jones
Williams
Dillard

Sintim was the only LB drafted earlier than the 4th round. And I still don't get why Reese keeps getting killed for that pick - Sintim was only active for 23 games between his rookie and sophomore year before he shredded up his knee and his career was over.


Because Sintim was universally noted as a 3-4, hand in the dirt, pass rushing LB, not a 4-3, drop in coverage LB.
You guys are looking at the defensive structure wrong.  
BLUATHRT : 9/16/2014 3:50 pm : link
You're assuming that because we were playing more traditionally with the 3 LB's on the field at any given time, that we will continue that. I would argue that the strength of this D now once again comes from the big nickel formation. I think we see more of Berhe and Demps inside the box.
Sintim was NOT a hand in the dirt player at UVA  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2014 4:14 pm : link
He was indeed a 3-4 pass rushing LB, but he usually played in an upright stance a la LT. He did get in a three point stance occasionally, but only for a handful of snaps.
replace beason  
SBlue46 : 9/16/2014 4:14 pm : link
With lb...in draft or terminate contract
after ir...hes finished....panthers knew it
we need to move fast..also w jj and
thurman..where are replacements. ..
try outs must be today
RE: Sintim was NOT a hand in the dirt player at UVA  
Victor in CT : 9/16/2014 4:22 pm : link
In comment 11866739 Greg from LI said:
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He was indeed a 3-4 pass rushing LB, but he usually played in an upright stance a la LT. He did get in a three point stance occasionally, but only for a handful of snaps.


Thanks for the correction Greg. But he clearly was not a fit for the Defense the Giants were running.
RE: Out of the LB's Reese drafted  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/16/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11866553 eclipz928 said:
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Kehl
Sintim
Jones
Williams
Dillard

Sintim was the only LB drafted earlier than the 4th round. And I still don't get why Reese keeps getting killed for that pick - Sintim was only active for 23 games between his rookie and sophomore year before he shredded up his knee and his career was over.


Because he was a 2nd round 3-4 LB. He was out of position. And sucked for the two years he was here. Not average. Horrid. Then he got hurt. And since Reese passed on scrubs like McCoy and Max Unger for a guy who had no spot on the Giants he gets shit. The 2nd round was loaded.
I just can't see  
Stufftherun : 9/16/2014 4:50 pm : link
how this defense can ever be as effective as we would all have hoped for ...at least not without its leader in the middle.

It's just so disappointing too in that the front office continues to patchwork together two critical positions on the defense (LB)and offense (OL). It's clear they believe they can get away with lower level draft picks and/or picking up guys off the scrapheap.

Suddenly, what looked like the best LB corp that we've had in a while, is now an incredible weakness. McClain is brutal, JDub has been the greatest disappointment and Herzlich is just not stout and athletic enough to play at this level.

I hope to God Beason and Kennard can come back soon and contribute.

Seems like every decent FA  
TMS : 9/16/2014 4:56 pm : link
Reese signs ends up injured very shortly after they get the golden parachute and are not available to practice and/or play. Is this a pattern or what ?
RE: Is that  
santacruzom : 9/16/2014 6:50 pm : link
In comment 11866348 Fish said:
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medical staff up to speed with new technology. Isn't Dr Warren 100+yrs old?


Hyperbole! He's only 75, and I'm sure he knows all about the "MRI Machine."
Because  
Doomster : 9/16/2014 10:14 pm : link
Sintim was the only LB drafted earlier than the 4th round. And I still don't get why Reese keeps getting killed for that pick - Sintim was only active for 23 games between his rookie and sophomore year before he shredded up his knee and his career was over.

He sucked before he injured his knee.....he was slow to react, and was in no way a linebacker....he was too small/slow to be an edge rusher....
RE: RE: Is that  
Default : 9/16/2014 10:26 pm : link
In comment 11867002 santacruzom said:
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In comment 11866348 Fish said:


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medical staff up to speed with new technology. Isn't Dr Warren 100+yrs old?



Hyperbole! He's only 75, and I'm sure he knows all about the "MRI Machine."


If that's not a sarcastic response than wow
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