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Dunedin81 : 9/16/2014 3:26 pm
Tell me again how Penn State faithful understand the wrongs that were done under the watchful eye of JoePa:

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“He will forever stand as a great founder of our university, shoulder to shoulder with Atherton, Beaver, Pattee, Sparks and more. There will be other coaches, other presidents, other trustees and great men in Penn State’s future, but that does not mean we should forget this one man, who made Penn State great. My family and I eagerly await the future — but we will never forget to honor Joe,” said Susan Beck Wilson.

As a vocal segment of the alumni community now calls for restoration of the wins after the NCAA’s repeal of bowl and scholarship sanctions last week, there is a response from some that people are clinging to the past and not letting go.

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Good for the PSU fans  
JOMO25 : 9/16/2014 3:28 pm : link
Penalizing JoPa, his legacy, his family, the university...is nonsense. We're talking about the actions of one scumbag.
Penn State is weird  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 3:28 pm : link
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RE: Good for the PSU fans  
MookGiants : 9/16/2014 3:30 pm : link
In comment 11866603 JOMO25 said:
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Penalizing JoPa, his legacy, his family, the university...is nonsense. We're talking about the actions of one scumbag.


Yeah, good for them, poor Joe Paterno and PSU fans. Who cares that Joe Paterno and the rest of the administration let this stuff go on for years and did nothing to stop it.

You're fucking delusional
Paterno was garbage  
Big Blue '56 : 9/16/2014 3:31 pm : link
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I've leared through a few arguments  
pimcnj : 9/16/2014 3:34 pm : link
that you will not be able to convince a PSU alum/supporter that any action against Paterno was justifiable. I'm in favor of lifting the bowl ban and anything else that penalizes the current student body or athletes. But through his death, Paterno missed facing difficult questions that needed to be answered in order to ensure he did all he could to protect the victims. As it is, and without he defending himself, it's clear that he didn't do enough and penalizing his legacy is appropriate, IMO.

I have no ties to PSU other than several friends who love their school - and that's fine, but they lived their whole lives loving the image of what Paterno and what he means to that school was that I think they can't see that he didn't do enough. I agree Paterno did a lot for PSU, but he should have done more for the victims by acting in a timely manner, if nothing else.
It's obviously a shitting move  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:34 pm : link
But we trotted LT out like a hero this past Sunday. Let's stop pretending like our fan base (and other fan bases) are immune from endorsing people who have made terrible choices whilst bringing a team to prominence. The idea that the Penn State fans are any different from other fan bases because of stuff like this is comical.
shitty* move.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:35 pm : link
Not sure what a shitting move is, nor do I want to know.
Wouldn't that mean they'd have turn a blind eye to the game  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 3:35 pm : link
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Paterno  
MookGiants : 9/16/2014 3:35 pm : link
got off easy by passing so quickly.
LT was a great player for the Giants.  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 3:37 pm : link
But his presence there was not remotely analogous to Paterno's at Penn State.

Nor is the situation. At all.
A drug problem history and not knowing a 'tute was under 18  
GiantFilthy : 9/16/2014 3:37 pm : link
is not the same as turning a blind eye to pedophilia.
RE: It's obviously a shitting move  
Chris in Philly : 9/16/2014 3:37 pm : link
In comment 11866620 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But we trotted LT out like a hero this past Sunday. Let's stop pretending like our fan base (and other fan bases) are immune from endorsing people who have made terrible choices whilst bringing a team to prominence. The idea that the Penn State fans are any different from other fan bases because of stuff like this is comical.


Giants fans are not part of a cult. We recognize the sins of LT, and also recognize how much of those were harming mainly himself. We admit that we was wrong. PSU-ites refuse to admit that anyone did anything wrong other than Sandusky, and even some of that is offered only begrudgingly.
RE: A drug problem history and not knowing a 'tute was under 18  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 11866629 GiantFilthy said:
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is not the same as turning a blind eye to pedophilia.


I never said their offenses are the same. So if you're going to pretend our fan base is immune from this, at least stop pretending I'm saying things that I didn't.
Basically what you guys are saying is that  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:40 pm : link
Penn State fans, which are what... hundreds of thousands of people, collectively are turning a blind eye to Joe Pa turning a blind eye. hundreds of thousands of people from various backgrounds and walks of life all are different from the millions upon millions of other friends who forgive and forget. It's a ridiculous assertion.
Other fans*  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:40 pm : link
Not friends.
Mike hasn't read anything on the internet in a few years.  
GiantFilthy : 9/16/2014 3:41 pm : link
Just a guess.
And I've agreed that it's a terrible move by their fans  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:42 pm : link
But the idea that this type of behavior is exclusive to Penn State fans is a joke.

I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.
RE: RE: A drug problem history and not knowing a 'tute was under 18  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2014 3:43 pm : link
In comment 11866632 Mike in Long Beach said:
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is not the same as turning a blind eye to pedophilia.



I never said their offenses are the same. So if you're going to pretend our fan base is immune from this, at least stop pretending I'm saying things that I didn't.


There aren't many who refuse to admit LT is a scumbag, though.
I'm not even sure the PSU scandal  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 3:43 pm : link
has even hit Fekker's news aggregator yet.

Give it another six months.
Irrational zealots acting irrationally  
rsjem1979 : 9/16/2014 3:44 pm : link
It makes no sense to expect anything else from a substantial part of the Penn State fanbase. They're not normal, and should not be engaged in conversation.
LT was a player on the team for 12 years.  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 3:44 pm : link
Joe Paterno was PENN STATE FOOTBALL for almost 50 years.

It's not the same.
CTRL-F "exclusive to Penn State fans"  
GiantFilthy : 9/16/2014 3:44 pm : link
Only one hit.
RE: I'm not even sure the PSU scandal  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 11866643 Wuphat said:
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has even hit Fekker's news aggregator yet.

Give it another six months.


This was funny.
RE: Basically what you guys are saying is that  
pimcnj : 9/16/2014 3:46 pm : link
In comment 11866636 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Penn State fans, which are what... hundreds of thousands of people, collectively are turning a blind eye to Joe Pa turning a blind eye. hundreds of thousands of people from various backgrounds and walks of life all are different from the millions upon millions of other friends who forgive and forget. It's a ridiculous assertion.


I don't think they're turning a blind eye to Joe Pa as much as they are saying his punishment (wins record) was unfair. Most of us recognize LT was a great player, but may very well be a self-destructive ass/bad person. But good luck finding a PSU person who thinks Joe Pa should be anything less than a saint, his coaching career aside. I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any.
RE: It's obviously a shitting move  
montanagiant : 9/16/2014 3:46 pm : link
In comment 11866620 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But we trotted LT out like a hero this past Sunday. Let's stop pretending like our fan base (and other fan bases) are immune from endorsing people who have made terrible choices whilst bringing a team to prominence. The idea that the Penn State fans are any different from other fan bases because of stuff like this is comical.


Where do you come up with this asinine analogies? No Giant fan is demanding a statue of LT to be built. No Giant fan is trying to canonize LT. No Giant fan sits here blaming others for what LT did.
this = these  
montanagiant : 9/16/2014 3:47 pm : link
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pimcnj and vibe  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:48 pm : link
I don't disagree with either of you. In fact, vibe, to address your point more specifically... If the Giants had the equivalent of a Joe Pa, would our fans, collectively, a group of millions of different types of people, act any better than Penn State fans are?

I don't see how one can assert such a thing.
RE: And I've agreed that it's a terrible move by their fans  
Chris in Philly : 9/16/2014 3:48 pm : link
In comment 11866641 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But the idea that this type of behavior is exclusive to Penn State fans is a joke.

I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.


If Woody Hayes allowed child rape to go on without intervention, and you held a Woody-Out (er...), then you'd be an idiot too.
RE: It's obviously a shitting move  
Randy in CT : 9/16/2014 3:50 pm : link
In comment 11866620 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But we trotted LT out like a hero this past Sunday. Let's stop pretending like our fan base (and other fan bases) are immune from endorsing people who have made terrible choices whilst bringing a team to prominence. The idea that the Penn State fans are any different from other fan bases because of stuff like this is comical.
Idiotic comparison. Ri goddamned diculous, in fact.
I know of one PSU alum that thinks JoePa's legacy  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 3:50 pm : link
should be tainted, and that's my father in law.

But, he's generally a curmudgeon towards everyone, so I don't even know if he counts.

But the rest of the PSU grads I'm around (and FFS, they're everywhere here in South Jersey -- either PSU or WVU; WTF!) still see him as the old man who everyone kept the dirty secrets from instead of the old man who had his hands on every bit of that program.
RE: LT was a player on the team for 12 years.  
Randy in CT : 9/16/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 11866646 vibe4giants said:
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Joe Paterno was PENN STATE FOOTBALL for almost 50 years.

It's not the same.
Huh? That's the tip of the iceberg. LT inadvertently hired an underaged prostitute. And he had a drug problem.

That isn't the same as looking the other way as young boys are routinely raped by your staff.
RE: I know of one PSU alum that thinks JoePa's legacy  
pimcnj : 9/16/2014 3:54 pm : link
In comment 11866668 Wuphat said:
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But the rest of the PSU grads I'm around (and FFS, they're everywhere here in South Jersey -- either PSU or WVU; WTF!) still see him as the old man who everyone kept the dirty secrets from instead of the old man who had his hands on every bit of that program.


This! Im in SJ too and I work with a handful of them. One day, one of them actually argued that it was unfair because Paterno was literally the 85 yr old grandpa that really couldn't grasp what was going on so he didn't react. Really?
RE: pimcnj and vibe  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 3:54 pm : link
In comment 11866660 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I don't disagree with either of you. In fact, vibe, to address your point more specifically... If the Giants had the equivalent of a Joe Pa, would our fans, collectively, a group of millions of different types of people, act any better than Penn State fans are?

I don't see how one can assert such a thing.


None of us are asserting anything. We're responding to your assertion.

If you're looking for a better analogy (and you should be by now), it would John Mara turning a blind eye to, say, Spags being a pedophile. And I don't even really believe that Mara is what Paterno was at Penn State.
RE: A drug problem history and not knowing a 'tute was under 18  
hudson : 9/16/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 11866629 GiantFilthy said:
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is not the same as turning a blind eye to pedophilia.
absolutely. Were talking about a systematic willful acts of omission committed over decades.

Joe Patersno was nothing but a self serving phony. He refused to retire because he couldn't bear for anybody else to have his job, his job he held for 40 or so years and won TWO national titles? That's it? Mets won 2 WS in 40 years. His whole claim to fame was "winning with class" so of course he did everything possible to have plausible deniability with Sandusky butt raping boys.

He is a disgrace, a phony, and an overrated coach...he ain't no Bear Bryant or Nick Sabol. What makes him all the more regnant are those stupid PSU fans who act like he/they are the victims. They'll defend Joe to the grave just because he coached a stupid football team. That's 100x more sickening than Ray Rice.
RE: RE: LT was a player on the team for 12 years.  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 11866671 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 11866646 vibe4giants said:


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Joe Paterno was PENN STATE FOOTBALL for almost 50 years.

It's not the same.

Huh? That's the tip of the iceberg. LT inadvertently hired an underaged prostitute. And he had a drug problem.

That isn't the same as looking the other way as young boys are routinely raped by your staff.


Most of us know LT's resume, good and bad deeds. Not sure of your point.

vibe, maybe not John Mara, but Wellington might have been  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 3:56 pm : link
At least to the people in the organization, if not so much to the fans.

RE: RE: And I've agreed that it's a terrible move by their fans  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:56 pm : link
In comment 11866662 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11866641 Mike in Long Beach said:


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But the idea that this type of behavior is exclusive to Penn State fans is a joke.

I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.



If Woody Hayes allowed child rape to go on without intervention, and you held a Woody-Out (er...), then you'd be an idiot too.


Chris, I should've been clearer. I didn't mean me personally. I meant, collectively, the Ohio State fan base would've had plenty of supporters lined up for Woody... again, just like all of these college football programs with idolized figures such as Paterno.
One of my best friends (and his wife) is a PSU alum...  
RC02XX : 9/16/2014 3:57 pm : link
He's a great individual, and I have nothing but respect for the kind of a person he is. However, even he isn't immune to the PSU-Happy Valley mentality when it comes to JoePa. So yes, PSU does weird shit to many of its alums and supporters. Must be the water in the valley.
That's as cold as an insult can get.  
GiantFilthy : 9/16/2014 3:58 pm : link
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his job he held for 40 or so years and won TWO national titles? That's it? Mets won 2 WS in 40 years.
Fekkers idiotic analogy would apply  
montanagiant : 9/16/2014 3:58 pm : link
Only If the Giants gave LT a special underage hooker banging/crack smoking office at their practice facilities for 10 years
RE: RE: pimcnj and vibe  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/16/2014 3:58 pm : link
In comment 11866676 vibe4giants said:
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In comment 11866660 Mike in Long Beach said:


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I don't disagree with either of you. In fact, vibe, to address your point more specifically... If the Giants had the equivalent of a Joe Pa, would our fans, collectively, a group of millions of different types of people, act any better than Penn State fans are?

I don't see how one can assert such a thing.



None of us are asserting anything. We're responding to your assertion.

If you're looking for a better analogy (and you should be by now), it would John Mara turning a blind eye to, say, Spags being a pedophile. And I don't even really believe that Mara is what Paterno was at Penn State.


Vibe, again, I agree we don't have the equivalent. That's why I think it's strange to call Penn State fans this or that as there is no reason to believe other die hard groups of fans would behave differently. Perhaps not you, but there will be plenty of assertions made about the Penn State fan base which will incorrectly distinguish them as more ignorant than other fan bases.
NGT.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2014 3:59 pm : link
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Ha! Yeah,  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 4:00 pm : link
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Fekkers idiotic analogy would apply
montanagiant : 3:58 pm : link : reply
Only If the Giants gave LT a special underage hooker banging/crack smoking office at their practice facilities for 10 years


...but part of me wonders if Parcells might have been tempted to do that.

*mostly kidding
then that doesn't speak very well for Ohio State  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2014 4:00 pm : link
The Cult of Paterno might be the most skin-crawling thing I've ever seen in the world of sports. Just creepy as hell.
A lot of  
LS : 9/16/2014 4:01 pm : link
ignorance here.
What people can't wrap their heads around...  
Dunedin81 : 9/16/2014 4:02 pm : link
is the idea that the Cult of Paterno and the football program was so central to the idea of PSU that people, JoePa included, were willing to turn a blind eye to that most heinous of crimes to preserve the legacy and the donor dollars. THAT was why they needed the death penalty.
I bet I know where you went to school.  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 4:02 pm : link
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A lot of
LS : 4:01 pm : link : reply
ignorance here.
RE: I bet I know where you went to school.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2014 4:03 pm : link
In comment 11866712 Wuphat said:
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A lot of
LS : 4:01 pm : link : reply
ignorance here.



Harvard?
RE: then that doesn't speak very well for Ohio State  
hudson : 9/16/2014 4:04 pm : link
In comment 11866706 Greg from LI said:
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The Cult of Paterno might be the most skin-crawling thing I've ever seen in the world of sports. Just creepy as hell.
agreed 100 percent but not surprising.
I remember in HS the football coach got caught shoplifting at JCPenny. He denied it like a baby, then a bunch of similar minded fans staged a protest and boycott of JCPenny. It was and is ridicolous that some stupid jock coach can do no wrong just because he is coach.
I have a hard time imagining a significant portion of the Giants  
vibe4giants : 9/16/2014 4:04 pm : link
fan base being so slavishly devoted to the defense of someone in an actually analogous position. Which we still don't have.

But, sure. There are most definitely Giants fans who are as stupid as the stupidest of any other fan base. This, however, goes beyond that kind of ordinary stupidity.
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