Tell me again how Penn State faithful understand the wrongs that were done under the watchful eye of JoePa:
“He will forever stand as a great founder of our university, shoulder to shoulder with Atherton, Beaver, Pattee, Sparks and more. There will be other coaches, other presidents, other trustees and great men in Penn State’s future, but that does not mean we should forget this one man, who made Penn State great. My family and I eagerly await the future — but we will never forget to honor Joe,” said Susan Beck Wilson.
As a vocal segment of the alumni community now calls for restoration of the wins after the NCAA’s repeal of bowl and scholarship sanctions last week, there is a response from some that people are clinging to the past and not letting go.
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Yeah, good for them, poor Joe Paterno and PSU fans. Who cares that Joe Paterno and the rest of the administration let this stuff go on for years and did nothing to stop it.
You're fucking delusional
I have no ties to PSU other than several friends who love their school - and that's fine, but they lived their whole lives loving the image of what Paterno and what he means to that school was that I think they can't see that he didn't do enough. I agree Paterno did a lot for PSU, but he should have done more for the victims by acting in a timely manner, if nothing else.
Nor is the situation. At all.
Giants fans are not part of a cult. We recognize the sins of LT, and also recognize how much of those were harming mainly himself. We admit that we was wrong. PSU-ites refuse to admit that anyone did anything wrong other than Sandusky, and even some of that is offered only begrudgingly.
I never said their offenses are the same. So if you're going to pretend our fan base is immune from this, at least stop pretending I'm saying things that I didn't.
I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.
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is not the same as turning a blind eye to pedophilia.
I never said their offenses are the same. So if you're going to pretend our fan base is immune from this, at least stop pretending I'm saying things that I didn't.
There aren't many who refuse to admit LT is a scumbag, though.
Give it another six months.
It's not the same.
Give it another six months.
This was funny.
I don't think they're turning a blind eye to Joe Pa as much as they are saying his punishment (wins record) was unfair. Most of us recognize LT was a great player, but may very well be a self-destructive ass/bad person. But good luck finding a PSU person who thinks Joe Pa should be anything less than a saint, his coaching career aside. I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any.
Where do you come up with this asinine analogies? No Giant fan is demanding a statue of LT to be built. No Giant fan is trying to canonize LT. No Giant fan sits here blaming others for what LT did.
I don't see how one can assert such a thing.
I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.
If Woody Hayes allowed child rape to go on without intervention, and you held a Woody-Out (er...), then you'd be an idiot too.
But, he's generally a curmudgeon towards everyone, so I don't even know if he counts.
But the rest of the PSU grads I'm around (and FFS, they're everywhere here in South Jersey -- either PSU or WVU; WTF!) still see him as the old man who everyone kept the dirty secrets from instead of the old man who had his hands on every bit of that program.
It's not the same.
That isn't the same as looking the other way as young boys are routinely raped by your staff.
But the rest of the PSU grads I'm around (and FFS, they're everywhere here in South Jersey -- either PSU or WVU; WTF!) still see him as the old man who everyone kept the dirty secrets from instead of the old man who had his hands on every bit of that program.
This! Im in SJ too and I work with a handful of them. One day, one of them actually argued that it was unfair because Paterno was literally the 85 yr old grandpa that really couldn't grasp what was going on so he didn't react. Really?
I don't see how one can assert such a thing.
None of us are asserting anything. We're responding to your assertion.
If you're looking for a better analogy (and you should be by now), it would John Mara turning a blind eye to, say, Spags being a pedophile. And I don't even really believe that Mara is what Paterno was at Penn State.
Joe Patersno was nothing but a self serving phony. He refused to retire because he couldn't bear for anybody else to have his job, his job he held for 40 or so years and won TWO national titles? That's it? Mets won 2 WS in 40 years. His whole claim to fame was "winning with class" so of course he did everything possible to have plausible deniability with Sandusky butt raping boys.
He is a disgrace, a phony, and an overrated coach...he ain't no Bear Bryant or Nick Sabol. What makes him all the more regnant are those stupid PSU fans who act like he/they are the victims. They'll defend Joe to the grave just because he coached a stupid football team. That's 100x more sickening than Ray Rice.
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Joe Paterno was PENN STATE FOOTBALL for almost 50 years.
It's not the same.
Huh? That's the tip of the iceberg. LT inadvertently hired an underaged prostitute. And he had a drug problem.
That isn't the same as looking the other way as young boys are routinely raped by your staff.
Most of us know LT's resume, good and bad deeds. Not sure of your point.
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But the idea that this type of behavior is exclusive to Penn State fans is a joke.
I'm an Ohio State fan. We would do this for Woody Hayes. Michigan fans would do it for Schembechler. This is the nature of being a sports fan... particularly a fan of college football.
If Woody Hayes allowed child rape to go on without intervention, and you held a Woody-Out (er...), then you'd be an idiot too.
Chris, I should've been clearer. I didn't mean me personally. I meant, collectively, the Ohio State fan base would've had plenty of supporters lined up for Woody... again, just like all of these college football programs with idolized figures such as Paterno.
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I don't disagree with either of you. In fact, vibe, to address your point more specifically... If the Giants had the equivalent of a Joe Pa, would our fans, collectively, a group of millions of different types of people, act any better than Penn State fans are?
I don't see how one can assert such a thing.
None of us are asserting anything. We're responding to your assertion.
If you're looking for a better analogy (and you should be by now), it would John Mara turning a blind eye to, say, Spags being a pedophile. And I don't even really believe that Mara is what Paterno was at Penn State.
Vibe, again, I agree we don't have the equivalent. That's why I think it's strange to call Penn State fans this or that as there is no reason to believe other die hard groups of fans would behave differently. Perhaps not you, but there will be plenty of assertions made about the Penn State fan base which will incorrectly distinguish them as more ignorant than other fan bases.
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Only If the Giants gave LT a special underage hooker banging/crack smoking office at their practice facilities for 10 years
...but part of me wonders if Parcells might have been tempted to do that.
*mostly kidding
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ignorance here.
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ignorance here.
Harvard?
I remember in HS the football coach got caught shoplifting at JCPenny. He denied it like a baby, then a bunch of similar minded fans staged a protest and boycott of JCPenny. It was and is ridicolous that some stupid jock coach can do no wrong just because he is coach.
But, sure. There are most definitely Giants fans who are as stupid as the stupidest of any other fan base. This, however, goes beyond that kind of ordinary stupidity.