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NFT: Could NYS be the next to "legalize it"?

DanMetroMan : 9/16/2014 4:06 pm
New York Senator Liz Krueger will introduce a bill seeking to legalize marijuana for general use in New York state, she said on Sunday, hoping the recent passage of medical marijuana laws will help give the bill momentum.

Ms. Krueger, a Democrat representing Manhattan for more than a decade, said that in the legislative session beginning in January, she will fight for a bill modeled partly on cannabis legalization laws that recently went into effect in Washington and Colorado.

“I will push for taxation and regulation of marijuana,” she said at an unrelated campaign rally for Attorney General Eric Schneiderman. “I continue to work with experts around the country and to evaluate laws and regulations being put into place now.”
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Not Alone  
Lafferty, Daniel : 9/16/2014 4:10 pm : link
Anymore!

Big_O
inevitable  
BeerFridge : 9/16/2014 4:10 pm : link
I would like to see it, if only to give Big Pharma a kick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2014 4:12 pm : link
and see what happens.
Why not  
Gman11 : 9/16/2014 4:16 pm : link
Legalize pot and criminalize buying a Big Gulp.
Doubt we will be next  
Deej : 9/16/2014 4:17 pm : link
Governor is not a rock-the-boat type. For a while it seemed like he was setting himself up for a presidential run, though I think he might be over that now.
...  
26.2 : 9/16/2014 4:17 pm : link
not sure who would really be against it at this point, but I guess a lot of people are. someone mentioned big pharma.
Be wary of anyone  
Mr. Nickels : 9/16/2014 4:18 pm : link
whose main goal is "tax revenue"
I doubt New York is next  
Rob in NYC : 9/16/2014 4:35 pm : link
there are other states that are further down the path with medical, which is probably a necessary first step as it certainly eased the transition to retail in Colorado.

Big Pharma? Not remotely concerned.
NYS  
stretch234 : 9/16/2014 4:35 pm : link
If they legalize it for general use, would you be allowed to drive your vehicle while smoking. Can you operate equipment and machinery while on the job. If you are a state worker and light up and get hurt on the job or hurt someone else who then is liable.

What constitutes general use


I think  
Metnut : 9/16/2014 4:42 pm : link
it would pass if put up in a referendum type thing in NY State but it really doesn't have a chance in hell of passing in the legislature. Cuomo wants to run for president and he'll find a way to kill this before he even has to veto.
legal weed  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/16/2014 4:54 pm : link
Is going to be a lot more expensive than the weed youve always bought on the street. I dont care whether they legalize it or not
RE: legal weed  
ballanda : 9/16/2014 4:59 pm : link
In comment 11866815 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Is going to be a lot more expensive than the weed youve always bought on the street. I dont care whether they legalize it or not


I'd happily pay a 200% tax on the herb.
RE: legal weed  
GIANTSr01 : 9/16/2014 5:02 pm : link
In comment 11866815 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Is going to be a lot more expensive than the weed youve always bought on the street. I dont care whether they legalize it or not


Is this true? Did the cost of weed go up in CO/WA?
Well, considering that the quality of the marijuana is likely  
kickerpa16 : 9/16/2014 5:07 pm : link
different and that the street price was lower to compensate you for the risks of getting busted, a simple comparison of prices tells you pretty much nothing.
This is a horrible horrible mistake for a number of reasons.  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/16/2014 5:11 pm : link
I will grant you that weed isn't the great danger that it was once thought to be and may be beneficial in some cases. Where it was decriminalized law enforcement could look the other way as needed and clamp down if a problem developed. Once its legalized though and monied interests have a stake in weed we'll never be able to get rid of it just like with tobacco. Already in Colorado they are seeing negative effects of legalization. Homeless stoners are gravitating to Colorado because they believe they have a haven there

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Pot-seen-as-reason-for-rise-in-Denver-homeless-268733441.html

Driving or operating machinery while stoned is just as dangerous as driving drunk but we have no easy way to test for it. Currently its not socially acceptable to smoke weed in public or in the workplace but does anybody think that there won't be lawsuits for the right to smoke in public, on transit or at the workplace if this trend continues ? As the trend towards marijuana acceptance or even approval continues we're going to have the same problems with it that we have had with tobacco for decades.

I know the argument I'm going to get. Weed is safer than tobacco and probably safer than alcohol. My response is that we really don't know that. Mankind has been drinking distilled liquor for hundreds of years and wine for thousands of years. For the most part it has been safe. There are negative effects such a drunk driving and liver disease but they are well known and we have a lot of experience dealing with it. We don't know what the effect widespread marijuana use is going to be.

And then there is this: Ethyl alcohol is a small molecule that passes through your system quickly. You can go on the worst bender imaginable and in 72 hours or less your system is clean. THC ( the active ingredient in marijuana ) is a large molecule that stays in your system for weeks, even for a casual smoker. For a frequent smoker it keeps building and building. We don't know what kind of effect thats going to have on a large scale. Because marijuana has been not legal when a stoner comes to a bad end its been blamed on other lifestyle choices.

Once marijuana is legalized, accepted, encouraged and glamorized we are not going to be able to get rid of it. We may find that those "lifestyle" choices such as addiction, paranoia and graduation to harder drugs are an inevitable result of widespread use.
We know the effects of weed  
WideRight : 9/16/2014 5:19 pm : link
Its called the 70's!
And the people who were smoking it the 70's  
Beer Man : 9/16/2014 5:21 pm : link
Are the same people running our country today.
So the cat is out of the bag then  
WideRight : 9/16/2014 5:22 pm : link
eh?
Newsflash  
Wuphat : 9/16/2014 5:26 pm : link
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Once marijuana is legalized, accepted, encouraged and glamorized we are not going to be able to get rid of it.


It's gonna be there regardless. Getting "rid of it" isn't gonna happen in either case.

The rest of your post is basically fear mongering slippery slope argumentation.

Yes, there are concerns with how to handle and detect drivers who use and then drive, but to suggest that people would be able to get to sue to smoke at work is silly at best.

Just as you're not allowed to drink at work, you won't be allowed to get high at work. That's not a hard connection to figure out.

And for career paths where getting high is a roadblock to performance -- employees still could be subjected to drug testing including for marijuana. The last company I was with had a site in Colorado post legalization, and guess what? The employees of that site cannot get high. If they do, and get caught, they lose their jobs.
The same heavy machinery employers who drug test now  
schnitzie : 9/16/2014 5:27 pm : link
will keep on doing it, and no one would in their right mind dream of stopping them.

What lawsuits for the right to smoke tobacco publicly? They simply do not exist, and where they exist, they fail. Tobacco use, private and public, is being successfully reduced everywhere in the country. CVS just stopped selling cigs altogether. You can't get em at supermarkets anymore.

You can't smoke in bars, restaurants, on planes, in hotel rooms...more public space is smoke-free than not, and the non-criminalizing approach has been overwhelmingly successful.

No one would oppose a ban on smoking while driving. That weed stays in the system longer than, say, coke, is a good thing. Makes it possible for employers to test for it...and for police departments to test for it.

The anti-pot hysteria is built entirely on speculation. It needs to go the way of the dodo.
That's just the anti-pot equivalent of the "pot has no  
kickerpa16 : 9/16/2014 5:28 pm : link
ill effects nor can be addictive" dipshits.
Ninerland's points are interesting  
WideRight : 9/16/2014 5:37 pm : link
because medical marijuana is so widespread where he lives, that its basically legalized.
people are smoking pot whether it's legal or not so might as  
gtt350 : 9/16/2014 5:53 pm : link
well decriminalize it and save a fortune and make a fortune tax wise and market wise. As for the driving argument comparing it to alcohol is total BS. While granted you are impaired you are aware of it and actually take precautions. You might even go too slow. When you're drunk you are a weapon on the road.
RE: RE: legal weed  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/16/2014 5:54 pm : link
In comment 11866826 ballanda said:
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In comment 11866815 MarshallOnMontana said:


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Is going to be a lot more expensive than the weed youve always bought on the street. I dont care whether they legalize it or not



I'd happily pay a 200% tax on the herb.


I wouldnt. Id hope my contacts keep their prices or im done. Im not paying double than ive paid my whole life for the same high. It would be great to have it legalized, but unless you live in certain neighborhoods its tough to get busted. You really have to try hard. Peace of mind isnt worth that much in taxes to me, im not worried about a swat team beating down my door

im speaking selfishly though. There are plenty of positive reasons for legalization
RE: The same heavy machinery employers who drug test now  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/16/2014 5:56 pm : link
In comment 11866904 schnitzie said:
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will keep on doing it, and no one would in their right mind dream of stopping them.

Tobacco use, private and public, is being successfully reduced everywhere in the country. CVS just stopped selling cigs altogether. You can't get em at supermarkets anymore.

You can't smoke in bars, restaurants, on planes, in hotel rooms...more public space is smoke-free than not, and the non-criminalizing approach has been overwhelmingly successful.



And how long did it take to get us to that point ? The dangers of tobacco were well known in the 1950's. Its only now, more than half a century later that tobacco is on the way out. Up until about about a decade ago you couldn't walk into a bar, casino or many restaurants and not come out smelling like an ashtray. TV advertising wasn't banned until 1970. Other advertising persisted into the 1990's and use in bars and restaurants into the 2000's. The problem of course was that too many people were making money from tobacco and it wasn't until the cost of health problems from tobacco outweighed that cost that restrictions were implemented.

On the other side of the coin how long do you think it will be before some group of stoners sues under ADA for the right to smoke wherever they damn please ?
Driving drunk vs stoned  
Dave in PA : 9/16/2014 6:14 pm : link
Not even in the same conversation as far as danger and negligence is concerned.
Thought this would be about Mixed Martial Arts  
EmpireWF : 9/16/2014 6:23 pm : link
but the NY State Assembly is akin to a criminal enterprise with Shelly Silver at the helm
RE: RE: legal weed  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/16/2014 7:01 pm : link
In comment 11866835 GIANTSr01 said:
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In comment 11866815 MarshallOnMontana said:


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Is going to be a lot more expensive than the weed youve always bought on the street. I dont care whether they legalize it or not



Is this true? Did the cost of weed go up in CO/WA?


Just found this article from forbes in january, its possible that things may have changed slightly over the past 8 months. But if we were to see increases like that, illegal dealers of today will still have a healthy business. I dont use nearly as much as I did years ago, but the little money I do spend would probably go to the same sources

forgot the link  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/16/2014 7:03 pm : link
Here
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Having driven through  
phil fromphilly : 9/16/2014 7:29 pm : link
a good portion of New York recently, I would think everyone there would want the tax money just to fix the potholes alone!

Seriously though, legalization of something that is WAY less harmful than alcohol and keeps people rather calm instead of drunk and rowdy is a no brainer. You immediately reduce crime, health care and law enforcement costs in your state. What's not to like?
RE: RE: RE: legal weed  
GIANTSr01 : 9/16/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11867012 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Just found this article from forbes in january, its possible that things may have changed slightly over the past 8 months. But if we were to see increases like that, illegal dealers of today will still have a healthy business. I dont use nearly as much as I did years ago, but the little money I do spend would probably go to the same sources


Sounds like prices were temporarily inflated due to limited (legal) supply. If prices drop to the medicinal marijuana range quoted in the article ($20-$25 an eighth) they'll be comparable to the "street" prices there ($225-$300/ounce or $28-$38/eighth).
Krueger  
natefit : 9/16/2014 8:23 pm : link
is a hard working behind the scenes type - not your usual attention whoring pol. Interesting that shes behind this
Marshall  
GMenLTS : 9/16/2014 10:31 pm : link
You'll be glad to know that the prices out in colorado are actually slightly below the market value that we have here on the east coast.
I don't smoke, but if I did I would pay the premium  
jcn56 : 9/17/2014 8:05 am : link
if only to get rid of the costs of criminalizing it, and hoping that somehow that cost savings would be passed on in other places.

Knowing that some dumb schmuck wasn't arrested, processed, tried, and possibly jailed for possession would have to be worth the money.
Sorry, Ron, your arguments are just silly  
schnitzie : 9/17/2014 10:27 am : link
First, please join the 21st century, where we are NOW.

In the current environment in which tobacco smoke is banned from public areas, the same laws protecting people from 2nd hand smoke would cover pot, under the same policy. Pot smoke may not be as unhealthy as tobacco smoke, but it does have tars in it that could have a deleterious effect on others. Plus the policy against alcohol consumption, walking around with an open container, etc., would apply.

Used to be that you could smoke cigarettes in concert halls and movie theaters...and restaurants. Somehow we've all managed to do just fine without all that.

Your claims about how long it took to regulate public consumption of tobacco are totally inapposite. Tobacco was LEGAL and deeply "implanted" in the American economy, culture and society, due to its importance and deep history as cash crop in tobacco growing states and the ignorance as to its deleterious effects. That is no more. Tobacco has been moving from a place of legality to illegality, minus total prohibition. It is actually a case study in successful reduction in consumption, without prohibition.

Pot is in an opposite situation. Pot is starting from a place of illegality and total prohibition and moving into a highly regulated situation. Yes, people will be able to buy and grow it, but civil and criminal laws plus workplace and other private sector restrictions will keep it within safe boundaries.

Stoners will sue to be able to smoke publicly. Really. Let them lose their money on legal fees. It's a loser of a case and utter hysteria to worry about such a thing.
Oh, and there has been a huge amount of research  
schnitzie : 9/17/2014 10:32 am : link
into the effects of marijuana and THC...and the relative effects of different modes of ingestion. Everything is known about its effects, good and bad.

To SPECULATE about some horrible effect has yet to be discovered is what speculation is: a counter factual excuse for peeing your pants over nothing that actually exists. Fear-mongering based on made-up possibilities, unsupported by evidence, is the true pussification of America.
I know at least two people  
aquidneck : 9/17/2014 11:04 am : link
Who have the legal right to use medical marijuana in Rhode Island.

Pretty sure they are under no legal obligation to avoid driving while stoned.

Fact is if they were ever tested they would test positive. The state has chosen not to restrict their driving privledges
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