... Please ... all I want is for John Mara to promise to become a spectator and give up ALL say regarding football operations (other than selection of a GM)... but stay the FUCK OUT of the draft room and all other personnel decisions.
The entire front office should go. Despite their efforts, the team has note gotten better in any crucial position since the SB win. No move they seemed to have made really panned out and the players they were able to acquire aren't understanding the playbook. Still too many "miscommunications" for a professional franchise and way too many boneheaded plays for a team focused on discipline.
It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.
I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.
Isn't going anywhere without a shot with a head coach of his choice.
That's what mcadoo is. They are rebuilding and TC will retire soon. TC should have taken an exit with gilbride and let mcadoo build his staff.
Players are not afraid of TC or his staff. There is no fear for my job pressure a new staff would bring.
Please tell me who really thinks that in the NFC Atlanta, TB, Wash, Dal, Chi, GB, St. Louis, AZ really have more talent across the board.
Again, how do you blame a GM for having his top WR get injured and not recover. Then lose your speed RB to retirement.
Every other top WR who has gotten hurt has come back to form as a No 1 with exception of Nicks.
He has brought in players for the OL. There is not 1 person on here who could honestly say they knew that reject S. Ohara and undrafted FA R. Suebert and 5th rd pick Deihl were going to amount to anything.
Yet now we have bitching continuously and it has been 2 games. He drafted a OL in the 1st rd last year and a 2nd rd this year. He brought in a G who had started 57 games.
He gave Beatty a contract coming off playing well for 2 years. If he did not choose to do that, what were the options in FA - there were NONE at LT. There were none in the draft either.
If he had gotten rid of all the veterans a year earlier, the same group would bitch that he needed to keep vets around the franchise QB that it would be a huge risk.
The guy has brought 2 Championships, was a contender for another until dbag shot himself. Not including the brain fart 7 minutes that cost a no 1 seed.
Until Wilson retired, he hit on every 1st rd pick and most of the 2nds - no other GM has done that.
Does he make mistakes - absolutely - everyone GM does. I do not see where you get a better GM
Maybe his flaw is trying to build a rounded team rather than trying to be top level on 1 side of the ball
Is there really any question? The guy never should have been hired. He certainly should have been fired last year. What the hell kind of defense does Perry coach? Our defense is a joke.
unfortunately, I don't think Reese is going anywhere......
However, I think TC will be asked to step down. He's no youngster anymore and the team has gotten worse the past 3 years. He deserves better and Reese has not really helped him, but I just think the owners sill say its time for a change and thank TC for what he's done for this franchise. He'll be missed.
Given the tenuous nature of Tom's situation I found it interesting that a young first time OC would take the job knowing full well if the season goes down the toilet it probably means a new head coach and I would think an entirely new staff.
Then again maybe he took it for the experience alone. Makes sense. Then again maybe he was reading between the lines that if Tom is let go he would have a real good shot at being the head coach. Given the way the Giants do things that would not surprise me in the least.
I say that because of the Perry Fewell situation. I think while he isn't the worst DC he is far from being a good DC. Yet Tom keeps him on and the defense keeps having communication issues. You would think that after five years on the job that would not be an issue. But it remains a major concern.
Reese was gifted the two hardest things for a GM to find - a quality HC and an elite QB. He shouldn't be 'allowed to choose his own coach' merely because one was here when he was hired. If anything, allowing the roster to become so mediocre with Eli and TC should put his head on the chopping block before either of theirs.
And fire Tom Quinn, of course.
RE: RE: I guess that depends on what happens the rest of the season
nearly every decision he makes is wrong.... He has completely destroyed the team..TC steps down...Then fire Fewel,Quinn and Mark Ross....Reese and Ross should be let go now so the new GM and head of scouting can start to evaluate the roster and prepare for the draft during the college football season.
the problem and has been all along. Pushed by Accorsi and now we are stuck with him and his hire Ross. Unable to evaluate talent and draft or acquire football players to fill the vacancies that are part of a team aging in the NFL. Sooner the better.
He is the problem. TC will go out on his shield, but he should retire. He will never get fired though. TC can kick Mara in the sack and still not get fired.
Have you ever seen Men of Honor? TC is going to be the old crazy colonel up in that tower at divers school (minus being a bigget) until he cant function anymore, on our sideline.
this early in a season.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.
this early in a season.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.
So, a second losing season in a row and missing the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years would be fine with you? No reason to make any changes?
And Reese deserves minimal credit for the '07 championship.
stop with the bullshit of Reese hasn't been able to pick his own HC. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to replace TC, unless he's been outvoted (see below)
Waaaay too early for this thread, but, IF the season tanks, without any of Reese's acquisitions stepping up to any appreciable degree, I'd like to see a major shakedown. Specifics are difficult, though.
IMO, there's a 3 headed beast at Giants central: TC, Reese, and ownership/Chris Mara. We really don't know who is pulling the trigger. Is TC getting lots of input, and failing? Is ownership/Chris Mara meddling, and failing? Is Reese trying to appease all, and failing? My guess is that it's a mix and a muddle. If we truly have a HOF coach, there isn't a chance in hell that he's not getting a say in acquisitions. Chris Mara was a major player, and allegedly a prime candidate for Reese's job and/or other GM positions. He didn't just shrink away to a nothing in the organization. Whether he's in cahoots with John is unknown. How much ultimate power Reese wields is an unknown.
What I expect to happen, IF the season tanks, is that Reese remains, TC 'retires', there's a major coaching shakeup, and the behind the scenes stuff gets rearranged.
The entire front office should go. Despite their efforts, the team has note gotten better in any crucial position since the SB win. No move they seemed to have made really panned out and the players they were able to acquire aren't understanding the playbook. Still too many "miscommunications" for a professional franchise and way too many boneheaded plays for a team focused on discipline.
It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.
I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.
If the Giants play well, its because of TC. If they play like shit, it's everyone's fault other than TC.. What a joke. It's Jr's fault they played like crap last week?? TC once again is culpable for this shoddy play
It's obvious after 120 minutes of football that this team sucks and has no possible chance of even improving during the 2014 season. Let's save ourselves the embarrassment and throw in the towel now.
Then, we fire everyone. The players, coaches, trainers, doctors, front office, secretaries, grounds crew, concession vendors, stadium maintenance, everybody associated any way with the current team. Let's also cancel all the PSLs, revoke all the season tickets, burn down Metlife Stadium, and prepare for the 2015 season to be played behind the nearest Wal-Mart.
Because if we're going to push the panic button this quickly, we might as well go all out.
I joined this site in November 2007. I can only imagine what it was like two months earlier after the Giants were 0-2.
no TE's, no decent lb's . Excluding this year how many draft choices beyond the 4th round have made the team.
Look at the free agent signings prior to the 2003 SB - starting MLB & RLB and OC, RT, Plax , 2DB's. The Giants used information from their DC who coached against the offensive linemen. He also knew Plax's ability as a receiver. It seems that the Giants do not share information or try too.
RE: can people honestly not see the difference between 2007 and 2014?
They're there, trust me. Look a bit more closely and you'll see them.
I'm not saying there wasn't a difference. But after giving up 80 points in our first two games in 2007, I'm sure BBI was in full panic mode.
Really? Where is the best in NFL OL on this year's team? Plaxico Burress? Amani Toomer? Steve Smith? Bradshaw, Jacobs and Ward in the backfield? Prime time Tuck, Osi? Strahan? Yeah, lots of similarities between the 2007 and 2014 teams.
It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.
I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.
That's what mcadoo is. They are rebuilding and TC will retire soon. TC should have taken an exit with gilbride and let mcadoo build his staff.
Players are not afraid of TC or his staff. There is no fear for my job pressure a new staff would bring.
Please tell me who really thinks that in the NFC Atlanta, TB, Wash, Dal, Chi, GB, St. Louis, AZ really have more talent across the board.
Again, how do you blame a GM for having his top WR get injured and not recover. Then lose your speed RB to retirement.
Every other top WR who has gotten hurt has come back to form as a No 1 with exception of Nicks.
He has brought in players for the OL. There is not 1 person on here who could honestly say they knew that reject S. Ohara and undrafted FA R. Suebert and 5th rd pick Deihl were going to amount to anything.
Yet now we have bitching continuously and it has been 2 games. He drafted a OL in the 1st rd last year and a 2nd rd this year. He brought in a G who had started 57 games.
He gave Beatty a contract coming off playing well for 2 years. If he did not choose to do that, what were the options in FA - there were NONE at LT. There were none in the draft either.
If he had gotten rid of all the veterans a year earlier, the same group would bitch that he needed to keep vets around the franchise QB that it would be a huge risk.
The guy has brought 2 Championships, was a contender for another until dbag shot himself. Not including the brain fart 7 minutes that cost a no 1 seed.
Until Wilson retired, he hit on every 1st rd pick and most of the 2nds - no other GM has done that.
Does he make mistakes - absolutely - everyone GM does. I do not see where you get a better GM
Maybe his flaw is trying to build a rounded team rather than trying to be top level on 1 side of the ball
Guess It's Too Late To Fire Coughlin
Jim in NH : 2/3/2008 10:13 pm : link
Isn't it?
It's the giants way for a long time now.
Tom Quinn
all 3
Then again maybe he took it for the experience alone. Makes sense. Then again maybe he was reading between the lines that if Tom is let go he would have a real good shot at being the head coach. Given the way the Giants do things that would not surprise me in the least.
I say that because of the Perry Fewell situation. I think while he isn't the worst DC he is far from being a good DC. Yet Tom keeps him on and the defense keeps having communication issues. You would think that after five years on the job that would not be an issue. But it remains a major concern.
And fire Tom Quinn, of course.
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Um, no. How did you ever come up with that hair-brained idea?
By the way, Radar, it's HARE-brained.
Have you ever seen Men of Honor? TC is going to be the old crazy colonel up in that tower at divers school (minus being a bigget) until he cant function anymore, on our sideline.
If he didn't win 2 superbowl's in his tenure I would entertain that thought.
If the team was loaded with talent and under achieving I would entertain that thought.
He has progressively gotten worse in his duties year after year.
He gives the coaches sub par talent and they are supposed to pick from that pile to be on the team.
He needs to go if this team does not turn it around.
I really believe they all need to go..
This is a quick turn around league you need to be constantly reloading.. reverting back to a complete rebuild is just sad.
If he didn't win 2 superbowl's in his tenure I would entertain that thought.
If the team was loaded with talent and under achieving I would entertain that thought.
He has progressively gotten worse in his duties year after year. Good post. well said
He gives the coaches sub par talent and they are supposed to pick from that pile to be on the team.
He needs to go if this team does not turn it around.
I really believe they all need to go..
This is a quick turn around league you need to be constantly reloading.. reverting back to a complete rebuild is just sad.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.
So, a second losing season in a row and missing the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years would be fine with you? No reason to make any changes?
And Reese deserves minimal credit for the '07 championship.
Waaaay too early for this thread, but, IF the season tanks, without any of Reese's acquisitions stepping up to any appreciable degree, I'd like to see a major shakedown. Specifics are difficult, though.
IMO, there's a 3 headed beast at Giants central: TC, Reese, and ownership/Chris Mara. We really don't know who is pulling the trigger. Is TC getting lots of input, and failing? Is ownership/Chris Mara meddling, and failing? Is Reese trying to appease all, and failing? My guess is that it's a mix and a muddle. If we truly have a HOF coach, there isn't a chance in hell that he's not getting a say in acquisitions. Chris Mara was a major player, and allegedly a prime candidate for Reese's job and/or other GM positions. He didn't just shrink away to a nothing in the organization. Whether he's in cahoots with John is unknown. How much ultimate power Reese wields is an unknown.
What I expect to happen, IF the season tanks, is that Reese remains, TC 'retires', there's a major coaching shakeup, and the behind the scenes stuff gets rearranged.
It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.
I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.
If the Giants play well, its because of TC. If they play like shit, it's everyone's fault other than TC.. What a joke. It's Jr's fault they played like crap last week?? TC once again is culpable for this shoddy play
Then, we fire everyone. The players, coaches, trainers, doctors, front office, secretaries, grounds crew, concession vendors, stadium maintenance, everybody associated any way with the current team. Let's also cancel all the PSLs, revoke all the season tickets, burn down Metlife Stadium, and prepare for the 2015 season to be played behind the nearest Wal-Mart.
Because if we're going to push the panic button this quickly, we might as well go all out.
I joined this site in November 2007. I can only imagine what it was like two months earlier after the Giants were 0-2.
Look at the free agent signings prior to the 2003 SB - starting MLB & RLB and OC, RT, Plax , 2DB's. The Giants used information from their DC who coached against the offensive linemen. He also knew Plax's ability as a receiver. It seems that the Giants do not share information or try too.
I'm not saying there wasn't a difference. But after giving up 80 points in our first two games in 2007, I'm sure BBI was in full panic mode.
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They're there, trust me. Look a bit more closely and you'll see them.
I'm not saying there wasn't a difference. But after giving up 80 points in our first two games in 2007, I'm sure BBI was in full panic mode.
Really? Where is the best in NFL OL on this year's team? Plaxico Burress? Amani Toomer? Steve Smith? Bradshaw, Jacobs and Ward in the backfield? Prime time Tuck, Osi? Strahan? Yeah, lots of similarities between the 2007 and 2014 teams.