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After this season who do you think should get fired.

scott in albany : 9/16/2014 5:36 pm
The head coach, Reese or both. I say Reese.
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John Mara  
baadbill : 9/16/2014 6:29 pm : link
... Please ... all I want is for John Mara to promise to become a spectator and give up ALL say regarding football operations (other than selection of a GM)... but stay the FUCK OUT of the draft room and all other personnel decisions.
face it  
newmike2 : 9/16/2014 6:38 pm : link
The entire front office should go. Despite their efforts, the team has note gotten better in any crucial position since the SB win. No move they seemed to have made really panned out and the players they were able to acquire aren't understanding the playbook. Still too many "miscommunications" for a professional franchise and way too many boneheaded plays for a team focused on discipline.

It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.

I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.
Reese  
Zebra3 : 9/16/2014 6:40 pm : link
Isn't going anywhere without a shot with a head coach of his choice.
That's what mcadoo is. They are rebuilding and TC will retire soon. TC should have taken an exit with gilbride and let mcadoo build his staff.
Players are not afraid of TC or his staff. There is no fear for my job pressure a new staff would bring.
So called talent issue  
stretch234 : 9/16/2014 7:16 pm : link
I am a supporter of Reese

Please tell me who really thinks that in the NFC Atlanta, TB, Wash, Dal, Chi, GB, St. Louis, AZ really have more talent across the board.

Again, how do you blame a GM for having his top WR get injured and not recover. Then lose your speed RB to retirement.

Every other top WR who has gotten hurt has come back to form as a No 1 with exception of Nicks.

He has brought in players for the OL. There is not 1 person on here who could honestly say they knew that reject S. Ohara and undrafted FA R. Suebert and 5th rd pick Deihl were going to amount to anything.

Yet now we have bitching continuously and it has been 2 games. He drafted a OL in the 1st rd last year and a 2nd rd this year. He brought in a G who had started 57 games.

He gave Beatty a contract coming off playing well for 2 years. If he did not choose to do that, what were the options in FA - there were NONE at LT. There were none in the draft either.

If he had gotten rid of all the veterans a year earlier, the same group would bitch that he needed to keep vets around the franchise QB that it would be a huge risk.

The guy has brought 2 Championships, was a contender for another until dbag shot himself. Not including the brain fart 7 minutes that cost a no 1 seed.

Until Wilson retired, he hit on every 1st rd pick and most of the 2nds - no other GM has done that.

Does he make mistakes - absolutely - everyone GM does. I do not see where you get a better GM

Maybe his flaw is trying to build a rounded team rather than trying to be top level on 1 side of the ball

If this is another season like last  
phil fromphilly : 9/16/2014 7:21 pm : link
they have to flush it all away and start over. There comes a time when you admit your mistakes and move on.
Man  
JoefromPa : 9/16/2014 7:29 pm : link
it must suck to be a fan who gives up with 14 games to go. Did you do the same thing during the 07 and 11 seasons.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/16/2014 7:36 pm : link
EVERYONE. From Mara to the dude selling overpriced beers..ADIOS.
Both  
jeff57 : 9/16/2014 7:40 pm : link
.
Is It Time Yet?  
Jim in NH : 9/16/2014 8:30 pm : link
I posted this on the night of February 3, 2008, before Belichek was in the tunnel:

Guess It's Too Late To Fire Coughlin
Jim in NH : 2/3/2008 10:13 pm : link
Isn't it?
Can't consider firing Reese  
eclipz928 : 9/16/2014 8:35 pm : link
until he's at least had the chance to go out and select his own head coach. Coughlin would have to go first.
everyone except reese  
spike : 9/16/2014 8:36 pm : link
.
i do think  
natefit : 9/16/2014 8:36 pm : link
we will be having this convo but not for another cpl months.
If  
blue42 : 9/16/2014 8:49 pm : link
Reese hired McAdoo to replace Coughlin he should be fired,and that is without taking his piss poor drafting in to account.

Reese  
blue42 : 9/16/2014 8:50 pm : link
doesn't understand the value of LB's and thinks you can win with marginal players on the OL. I've seen enough.
Acorsi  
Zebra3 : 9/16/2014 8:54 pm : link
Felt the same way about LB and OL
It's the giants way for a long time now.
Reese and Mara love  
Zebra3 : 9/16/2014 8:57 pm : link
Mcadoo. He will be next HC. This is a rebuild season and a poor season will force TC retirement .
If  
blue42 : 9/16/2014 9:09 pm : link
McAdoo is the head coach next year we'll finish 1-15.
Fewell...  
trueblueinpw : 9/16/2014 9:19 pm : link
Is there really any question? The guy never should have been hired. He certainly should have been fired last year. What the hell kind of defense does Perry coach? Our defense is a joke.
unfortunately, I don't think Reese is going anywhere......  
Simms11 : 9/16/2014 9:19 pm : link
However, I think TC will be asked to step down. He's no youngster anymore and the team has gotten worse the past 3 years. He deserves better and Reese has not really helped him, but I just think the owners sill say its time for a change and thank TC for what he's done for this franchise. He'll be missed.
Fewell  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2014 10:03 pm : link
The defense is the more talented unit but stinks so far. If this keeps up it is his ass.

If this is a 4 or 5 win season,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2014 10:06 pm : link
I hope we get a complete overhaul. Even with some of the major players on the team, not just front office and coaching staff.
Tom Coughlin  
kepler20 : 9/16/2014 10:06 pm : link
Marc Ross
Tom Quinn

all 3
Interesting question  
blueblood'11 : 9/17/2014 7:32 am : link
Given the tenuous nature of Tom's situation I found it interesting that a young first time OC would take the job knowing full well if the season goes down the toilet it probably means a new head coach and I would think an entirely new staff.

Then again maybe he took it for the experience alone. Makes sense. Then again maybe he was reading between the lines that if Tom is let go he would have a real good shot at being the head coach. Given the way the Giants do things that would not surprise me in the least.

I say that because of the Perry Fewell situation. I think while he isn't the worst DC he is far from being a good DC. Yet Tom keeps him on and the defense keeps having communication issues. You would think that after five years on the job that would not be an issue. But it remains a major concern.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/17/2014 7:35 am : link
Reese was gifted the two hardest things for a GM to find - a quality HC and an elite QB. He shouldn't be 'allowed to choose his own coach' merely because one was here when he was hired. If anything, allowing the roster to become so mediocre with Eli and TC should put his head on the chopping block before either of theirs.

And fire Tom Quinn, of course.
RE: RE: I guess that depends on what happens the rest of the season  
BMac : 9/17/2014 7:43 am : link
In comment 11866935 chris r said:
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In comment 11866922 Wuphat said:


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Um, no. How did you ever come up with that hair-brained idea?


By the way, Radar, it's HARE-brained.
The season still has to play out.  
Victor in CT : 9/17/2014 7:56 am : link
But if this 10-16 pace continues or worsens, I think Reese has to take the hit and get fired. TC should be allowed to retire with dignity.
Too early to have this conversation  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2014 8:07 am : link
But I don't think it will be much longer before we will legitimately have it,
Fire Reese...  
DJ5150 : 9/17/2014 8:08 am : link
nearly every decision he makes is wrong.... He has completely destroyed the team..TC steps down...Then fire Fewel,Quinn and Mark Ross....Reese and Ross should be let go now so the new GM and head of scouting can start to evaluate the roster and prepare for the draft during the college football season.
fanbase  
aquidneck : 9/17/2014 8:18 am : link
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Reese is  
TMS : 9/17/2014 8:36 am : link
the problem and has been all along. Pushed by Accorsi and now we are stuck with him and his hire Ross. Unable to evaluate talent and draft or acquire football players to fill the vacancies that are part of a team aging in the NFL. Sooner the better.
Reese cant build a team  
NYG007 : 9/17/2014 9:05 am : link
He is the problem. TC will go out on his shield, but he should retire. He will never get fired though. TC can kick Mara in the sack and still not get fired.

Have you ever seen Men of Honor? TC is going to be the old crazy colonel up in that tower at divers school (minus being a bigget) until he cant function anymore, on our sideline.
I'm tired of hearing  
Tom from LI : 9/17/2014 9:31 am : link
Reese still needs to pick his own coach bs. He won 2 Superbowl's with a Core that was originally picked by his predecessor.

If he didn't win 2 superbowl's in his tenure I would entertain that thought.

If the team was loaded with talent and under achieving I would entertain that thought.

He has progressively gotten worse in his duties year after year.

He gives the coaches sub par talent and they are supposed to pick from that pile to be on the team.

He needs to go if this team does not turn it around.

I really believe they all need to go..

This is a quick turn around league you need to be constantly reloading.. reverting back to a complete rebuild is just sad.
I want you fired,  
Randy in CT : 9/17/2014 9:33 am : link
Scott. Don't let the door hit you in the ass?
What if  
gmenatlarge : 9/17/2014 10:02 am : link
some one was calling for you to be fired?....
RE: I'm tired of hearing  
TMS : 9/17/2014 10:12 am : link
In comment 11867713 Tom from LI said:
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Reese still needs to pick his own coach bs. He won 2 Superbowl's with a Core that was originally picked by his predecessor.

If he didn't win 2 superbowl's in his tenure I would entertain that thought.

If the team was loaded with talent and under achieving I would entertain that thought.

He has progressively gotten worse in his duties year after year. Good post. well said

He gives the coaches sub par talent and they are supposed to pick from that pile to be on the team.

He needs to go if this team does not turn it around.

I really believe they all need to go..

This is a quick turn around league you need to be constantly reloading.. reverting back to a complete rebuild is just sad.
Now we know why training camp was moved.  
Peter in Atlanta : 9/17/2014 10:13 am : link
They didn't want to catch "the stupid."
I'd rather hire a man  
Phil from WNY : 9/17/2014 10:53 am : link
who has made mistakes and learned from them than hire a man who hasn't yet made those mistakes.
I can't believe this thread  
mrvax : 9/17/2014 10:57 am : link
this early in a season.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.
RE: I can't believe this thread  
jeff57 : 9/17/2014 11:11 am : link
In comment 11867901 mrvax said:
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this early in a season.
Re-building doesn't happen over night. This is the GM & HC & QB that gave us 2 recent Superbowl wins. Give them a chance, they've earned it.


So, a second losing season in a row and missing the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years would be fine with you? No reason to make any changes?

And Reese deserves minimal credit for the '07 championship.
Drafting must improve  
JonC : 9/17/2014 11:18 am : link
Ross didn't fare well in Philly, and hasn't here either. It's got to begin there, no more overdrafting prospects they fall in love with.
Reese chose to re-sign TC  
fkap : 9/17/2014 12:35 pm : link
stop with the bullshit of Reese hasn't been able to pick his own HC. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to replace TC, unless he's been outvoted (see below)

Waaaay too early for this thread, but, IF the season tanks, without any of Reese's acquisitions stepping up to any appreciable degree, I'd like to see a major shakedown. Specifics are difficult, though.

IMO, there's a 3 headed beast at Giants central: TC, Reese, and ownership/Chris Mara. We really don't know who is pulling the trigger. Is TC getting lots of input, and failing? Is ownership/Chris Mara meddling, and failing? Is Reese trying to appease all, and failing? My guess is that it's a mix and a muddle. If we truly have a HOF coach, there isn't a chance in hell that he's not getting a say in acquisitions. Chris Mara was a major player, and allegedly a prime candidate for Reese's job and/or other GM positions. He didn't just shrink away to a nothing in the organization. Whether he's in cahoots with John is unknown. How much ultimate power Reese wields is an unknown.

What I expect to happen, IF the season tanks, is that Reese remains, TC 'retires', there's a major coaching shakeup, and the behind the scenes stuff gets rearranged.
Fewell,  
Percy : 9/17/2014 1:00 pm : link
Quinn, Ross, Shauger. Chris Mara, too, but I doubt that's doable.
RE: face it  
dcable : 9/19/2014 10:03 am : link
In comment 11866990 newmike2 said:
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The entire front office should go. Despite their efforts, the team has note gotten better in any crucial position since the SB win. No move they seemed to have made really panned out and the players they were able to acquire aren't understanding the playbook. Still too many "miscommunications" for a professional franchise and way too many boneheaded plays for a team focused on discipline.

It's not on the players as much as it's a failure of leadership and that's on TC and JR.

I'm not sure it's in the DNA of the Maras to fire someone like TC or even JR but they need to go if the franchise is to move forward and become competitive again, IMO.


If the Giants play well, its because of TC. If they play like shit, it's everyone's fault other than TC.. What a joke. It's Jr's fault they played like crap last week?? TC once again is culpable for this shoddy play
Let's forfeit the rest of the season!  
Bramton1 : 9/19/2014 10:47 am : link
It's obvious after 120 minutes of football that this team sucks and has no possible chance of even improving during the 2014 season. Let's save ourselves the embarrassment and throw in the towel now.

Then, we fire everyone. The players, coaches, trainers, doctors, front office, secretaries, grounds crew, concession vendors, stadium maintenance, everybody associated any way with the current team. Let's also cancel all the PSLs, revoke all the season tickets, burn down Metlife Stadium, and prepare for the 2015 season to be played behind the nearest Wal-Mart.

Because if we're going to push the panic button this quickly, we might as well go all out.

I joined this site in November 2007. I can only imagine what it was like two months earlier after the Giants were 0-2.
Fire that  
Bubba : 9/19/2014 11:03 am : link
damn drum corps they have at the stadium.
can people honestly not see the difference between 2007 and 2014?  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2014 11:24 am : link
They're there, trust me. Look a bit more closely and you'll see them.
Just look at the failures -  
OldPolack : 9/19/2014 11:54 am : link
no TE's, no decent lb's . Excluding this year how many draft choices beyond the 4th round have made the team.
Look at the free agent signings prior to the 2003 SB - starting MLB & RLB and OC, RT, Plax , 2DB's. The Giants used information from their DC who coached against the offensive linemen. He also knew Plax's ability as a receiver. It seems that the Giants do not share information or try too.



RE: can people honestly not see the difference between 2007 and 2014?  
Bramton1 : 9/19/2014 2:34 pm : link
In comment 11870967 Greg from LI said:
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They're there, trust me. Look a bit more closely and you'll see them.


I'm not saying there wasn't a difference. But after giving up 80 points in our first two games in 2007, I'm sure BBI was in full panic mode.
Reese  
Big Blue Fan 74 : 9/19/2014 2:43 pm : link
Reese should be fired. Maybe we can bring in somebody from the 49er organization. Those guys know how to build a football team.
RE: RE: can people honestly not see the difference between 2007 and 2014?  
Victor in CT : 9/19/2014 4:15 pm : link
In comment 11871312 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 11870967 Greg from LI said:


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They're there, trust me. Look a bit more closely and you'll see them.



I'm not saying there wasn't a difference. But after giving up 80 points in our first two games in 2007, I'm sure BBI was in full panic mode.


Really? Where is the best in NFL OL on this year's team? Plaxico Burress? Amani Toomer? Steve Smith? Bradshaw, Jacobs and Ward in the backfield? Prime time Tuck, Osi? Strahan? Yeah, lots of similarities between the 2007 and 2014 teams.
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