He's got be having some buyers remorse.
Of course he would never say so, and would claim to be interested in the long term. However, in his mind he's got to be regretting the Cowboys getting Martin.
Pile on BBI...I'm in a good mood today no matter what.
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In comment 11869143 MikeN in Ottawa said:
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failure to recognize the Offensive Line was aging and not to invest high draft picks to rebuild the line for another SB run or two. It appears right now, we may not be ready for at least another year or two. I like Pugh and Richburg but the decision to sign Beatty to that deal was another HUGE mistake.
I think Beatty has been playing good enough so far this year. Between Beatty (2nd Round), Pugh (1st Round), and Richburg (2nd Round), thats 3 high draft choices on OL the past couple of years. I know everyone kills Reese for it, but its not like he has totally ignored the position during drafts. Its just that injuries and lack of development of late picks haven't panned out.
You don't rebuild your OL all at once......Beatty is nothing to get excited about.....Pugh and Richburg have only a small sample to judge them on, thus far....Pugh looked better than he was last year, when compared to what was out there to the left of him.....this year, more is expected of him, and I have not seen him improve much, if at all from last year...
The line should have had a steady infusion of new talent....guys ready to step in...instead we have counted on fourth and 7th rounders to do the job....it's been neglected, pure and simple....with the track record we have had from the 3rd round up, I can't understand why we don't package one of those picks with a first rounder, to move up and get what we need....BBI seems to feel we need bodies, and hate to give up draft picks....but look at all the bodies that we have drafted that don't make the team, that sit on the bench and don't play, and when they do, don't perform....
That said, I don't question the pick. It's defensible. What I do question is not signing a vet WR like James Jones and instead relying on Jerningan as Beckham's backup. The Giants needed a reliable vet in case Beckham stuggled to get used to the NFL (which is common with rookie WRs).
Martin
CJ Mosley
Odb
In that order
Eli might not survive Sunday. Giants caught a break when Clowney got hurt.
At the moment, you could say the Giants would be better off with Zack Martin and Davante Adams (or Jordan Matthews, or Allen Robinson, or Jarvis Landry, or any other rookie receiver who's actually playing) than with Beckham and Richburg. I think that's extracting a lot from a tiny data sample.
What I wonder is if Lewan was not taken by the Titans would he ave been the pick instead?
But who knows? Beckham could wind up being just as good as - or better than -- any or all of them. Given a time machine and the ability to take the pick back would present Reese with a gamble just knowing what he knows now.
solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.
what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.
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solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.
what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.
We're two, count 'em, two games into the season with a new system on O and a new OC. And you're ready to say that Beckham isn't a home run? That's fatuously rich.
Just because he hasn't had a chance to perform yet has zero to do with whether he's a home run, a whiff, or somewhere in between. I agree that it would have been much better if the hamstring problem never happened, but it did, and the Giants just have to deal with it (just like the team we're going to play next has to deal with the loss of Clowney).
This is why we can't have nice things.
What worries me is that nyg's have
Hammy issues with many players...
web..holsey..grimble...had for months..
is it our training. ..
If so, they may yet regret drafting Clowney instead of a QB. Wait and see.
As far as Reese's approach, it's the same as Ernie's, waste too many premium resources at 'sexy, positions' like DB and WR and not enough at the grunt positions like OL and LB.
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is the Giants needed to hit a home run with the #12 overall pick.
solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.
what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.
We're two, count 'em, two games into the season with a new system on O and a new OC. And you're ready to say that Beckham isn't a home run? That's fatuously rich.
Just because he hasn't had a chance to perform yet has zero to do with whether he's a home run, a whiff, or somewhere in between. I agree that it would have been much better if the hamstring problem never happened, but it did, and the Giants just have to deal with it (just like the team we're going to play next has to deal with the loss of Clowney).
I'm not sure that area junc was complaining about the pick as so much to pointing out that ODB being sidelined for extensive time was the worst possible scenario, in that we got no real help to address any of those problems until he can play.
Hope you guys are right...
And anyone who wants to bring up Sinorice Moss at the Senior Bowl can go to hell. Look at his college stats, at first you think that was a decent season...then you shit your pants when you realize it was his 4 year career
I hope it wasn't Sinorice Moss or you'd have a really shitty basis.
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is the Giants needed to hit a home run with the #12 overall pick.
solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.
what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.
We're two, count 'em, two games into the season with a new system on O and a new OC. And you're ready to say that Beckham isn't a home run? That's fatuously rich.
Just because he hasn't had a chance to perform yet has zero to do with whether he's a home run, a whiff, or somewhere in between. I agree that it would have been much better if the hamstring problem never happened, but it did, and the Giants just have to deal with it (just like the team we're going to play next has to deal with the loss of Clowney).
I'm not sure that area junc was complaining about the pick as so much to pointing out that ODB being sidelined for extensive time was the worst possible scenario, in that we got no real help to address any of those problems until he can play.
He's very obviously complaining about the pick. He'd rather the pick was Martin.
solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.
what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.
Precisely. ODB is the kind of guy you pick out of luxury, not necessity. I'm tired of hearing about our lack of talent at WR. These are world class athletes paid to run and catch. Our lack of talent at WR is vastly overstated. Mental talent understated.
Donald was the perfect player to select. Solidifies the defensive line and relieves pressure off JPP and lets Hankins show off his pass rush abilities.
So was Martin who like Pugh is a versatile guy who could project to outgrow the guard position, or at worse be an impact guard, which we desperately needed.
ODB was a mistake.
Are we watching the same team?
then jerry went about getting a bunch of free agent O linesmen in what, now, looks like an attempt to revert to form if possible.
when OBD dropped, what has transpired so far seemed so booringly obvious as for one to just let previous 10 years of rants speak for themselves.
If building a dynasty were easy, everyone would do it. There is no magic formula.
"I certainly have my opinion and Jerry (Reese) has his. I'm sure Tom has his," Mara said. "I'd like to think that at the end of the day we're all going to be on the same page."
"I think our offense is broken right now. We need to fix that," Mara said
"We can't go into next season with the same personnel."
"Personnel-wise we obviously over-valued certain people," Mara said. "We have obviously not gotten the production we wanted out of certain draft slots.
"We need to do a better job overall."
Mara said that fixing the offensive line, which allowed Manning to be sacked a career-worst 39 times this season, is the top priority.
"That to me is the number one personnel priority going into the offseason. We need to improve the offensive line."
Reese, as previously noted, has lost his safety net there.
this is coming from a ben mcadoo fan- i like the hire. but given that mara is clearly blaming personnel - why didn't they just keep gilbride on and concentrate on getting him a better o-line?
maybe its true and KG really genuinely did want to retire, knowing what a f#ck show our personnel situation was and still is
DE was/is also a definite need but there was no prospect to consider this year.
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Are we watching the same team?
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DE was/is also a definite need but there was no prospect to consider this year.
Jon. The problem is Reese hasn't drafted a true playmaker in years and almost any spot. Never mind early. I'm one who dislikes his penchant for insisting on receivers every year early. First three rounds are key. No GM Is prefect but his early round picks to me have been a huge reason this team has so little depth. Then what FA$ are there are used to address his mistakes.
Look, I think Ross stinks and he and Reese have failed to keep the roster in good shape. We lack horses. But, looking past the "playmaker early" philosophy simply because the OL needed help shows a lack of understanding in asset management, and lack of a longterm strategic perspective, imo.
Look, I think Ross stinks and he and Reese have failed to keep the roster in good shape. We lack horses. But, looking past the "playmaker early" philosophy simply because the OL needed help shows a lack of understanding in asset management, and lack of a longterm strategic perspective, imo.
Jon I agree all of that. My problem is the Reese seems to think that only WRs and DEs can be playmakers. The way the game is played TEs are huge playmakers and he's always bargain basement shopping there. Again no GMs draft record is sterling if we are honest. It's tough but if you are going to spend 6 years ignoring the OL then you have to grab Pugh out of pure need. When a guy like Keenan Allen would look pretty good on this team. You have to look at the long term effects of asset management.
Picks and FA $$ are assets and I think Reese overvalues the WR pOsition group and then has to keep grabbing them when he misses. Then we need to sign second tier OL guys.
Now that the line is a mess it's hard to fix it over a season or two. Your QB is an immobile pocket guy. Letting the line corrode was an issue.
I have zero problem w the OBjr pick. It's the 6 years he spent pretending that OL was ok and redoing Snee Baas and DD cOntracts that built up to the last few years of downright bad OL play.
In 2004, Wellington did not want to draft Manning. In his eyes, Collins was a Giant and he was more than good enough. He never flat out said he didn't want to draft Manning, by Accorsi, John Mara, etc., they all knew. Yet when Eli and family first came to Giants Stadium after being drafted, Duke was the first one at the door to greet him.
I'm on record here as really disliking the picks of Sintim, Barden, Beatty, and Reese/Ross tend to overdraft these players. Austin and Randle had questions as to how badly they wanted it in the NFL. At least two of those picks could have been OL stalwarts. So we're not that far apart, I just try to draft to each draft's inherent strengths rather than throw assets at positions, ie I disagree with the OL or bust type opinions in this past draft.
And, while we can argue the OL has been neglected in the past, its hard to make the case that it was starved for resources this past offseason. I think the patchwork state is a testament to just how broken it was, and that it wasn't a one year fix.
go back and see how those Super Bowl lines were constructed: Snee was a #2, O'Hara was a FA and not a premier FA, Diehl was a #6, McKenzie a third round pick and a free agent and again,not a premier free agent. Don't act like that line was filled with carefully assembled #1 and #2 draft picks.
We have actually invested more resources in terms of high draft picks in this line than we did in the storied SB line. The story with a lot of these drafted guys is the same story as the rest of the team- we are getting no production out of draft slots 3-6 and injuries seem to prematurely age our guys. Look at this list: Brewer #4, Petrus #5, Mosely #4, McCants #5, Herman #7.
It's not a lack of investment in o-line. The problem lies elsewhere.
not me, I have been ranting that 'great guards are needed for this team, that they have been undervalued here, and that we need to build a -much better than average- line in order to succeed.' ..THEN draft the play makers...for ten years.