Would Reese still draft ODBJr if he knew what he knows now?

What if he admits to having buyers remorse, and when OBDjr finally is healthy enough to play, he is everything they thought he'd be and more. Would knowing then, what he thought he knew now, knowing before the draft, have any remorse?

Like what - the guy has a hamstring problem in his rookie year?

What if next week Martin is rung up on a domestic abuse charge or blows out his knee?

What an exercise in futility.

Sadly, Reese could probably very easily say yes to the question and a bunch of BBI'ers would criticize him because no immediate returns have been seen. But that isn't how you should look at a draft pick.

A flawed premise almost always ends up with a flawed conclusion.

Prince was injured the first half of his rookie season. What you consider him a bad draft pick?

he'd pass on him if he knew that he'd get injured like this.

It still doesn't mean that the thought process that went into making the pick at the time was flawed or that the pick will end up being a bad one in the long term.

our receiving corps is weak. A healthy Beckham will have more game changing impact than a healthy Martin.

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That even before the draft it was known that ODBjr had a known history of hamstring issues. If true then Reese/Ross took a gamble on "greatness".

failure to recognize the Offensive Line was aging and not to invest high draft picks to rebuild the line for another SB run or two. It appears right now, we may not be ready for at least another year or two. I like Pugh and Richburg but the decision to sign Beatty to that deal was another HUGE mistake.

This way, if ODB turns out to be a stellar receiver, you can go back and remind someone how stupid and short sighted they were.

In comment 11869139 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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yah....it's early, coffee still kicking in

I don't necessarily consider it a bad pick. Obviously, we won't know that, but given the body of work at this point (basically nothing) would he elect a "do-over" if he could? My guess is that he would have a "do-over".

are really beyond tedious at this point.

so I guess the Giants should have passed on Michael Strahan, he hurt his foot in pre season and missed his rookie year. This team needs another threat at WR badly. I think the pick was correct - time will tell.

you have to really be sold on what they can be. It's as much a long-term investment as it is what you project that player can do for you early on.

And while he is hurt now, it's not like he tore an ACL or suddenly has a career threatening injury. Hamstrings are a nag, but they're not a serious injury.

You want someone who can contribute right away from a pick that high. Especially on a team that is in a downward spiral for the last five years and you are trying to save your job.

Reese has been in this business long enough to know, and especially as a talent scout, that it takes a few seasons to really get a handle on what you've got when it comes to young players developing from college to the NFL.

I would think we've been fans long enough to know this as well.

Either way the jury is out on Reece. We are stuck with a GM who is not very good at his job until the owners feel they have had enough of him.

Can we at least wait and see what kind of player Martin is first before bawling constantly about not drafting him?

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based on who you think will help your team the most in the first four games of their rookie season. I doubt he would do anything different.

To say that it would even solidify the pick even more knowing what we know now. The O-Line looked pretty decent last game and we are down to 2 starting caliber WR's.

In comment 11869143 MikeN in Ottawa said:

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failure to recognize the Offensive Line was aging and not to invest high draft picks to rebuild the line for another SB run or two. It appears right now, we may not be ready for at least another year or two. I like Pugh and Richburg but the decision to sign Beatty to that deal was another HUGE mistake.

I think Beatty has been playing good enough so far this year. Between Beatty (2nd Round), Pugh (1st Round), and Richburg (2nd Round), thats 3 high draft choices on OL the past couple of years. I know everyone kills Reese for it, but its not like he has totally ignored the position during drafts. Its just that injuries and lack of development of late picks haven't panned out.

If they use another high draft pick on OL next year, you will have 4/5ths of a line that was spent on high draft picks.

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No. He would still take him.

#jryreach
#lol

is would Reese draft Sintim over Unger if given the option?

or catastrophic injury, I doubt there are many GMs that would reconsider their most recent draft.

And, while we can argue the OL has been neglected in the past, its hard to make the case that it was starved for resources this past offseason. I think the patchwork state is a testament to just how broken it was, and that it wasn't a one year fix.

I think it is way to early for him to have buyers remorse.The guy hasn't touched the field yet.anxiety maybe... but buyer remorse.... of course not.

I know some are flukes but its unreal at this point.

Even Steve Smith was hurt part of his rookie year but contributed later in the season. Im not sure how you fix these things, buts guys get signed to this team and get hurt (i.e Canty, Thurmond, Beason, etc)

but if he knew then what he knows now who knows what he would have done then but he might say now who knows what the future holds because it's one of the knowable unknowns.

In comment 11869141 PonderingObserver said:

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That even before the draft it was known that ODBjr had a known history of hamstring issues. If true then Reese/Ross took a gamble on "greatness".

This is an absolute fiction being touted by those infants on here who can't reconcile us not taking Martin.

Check that, it's not a fiction, it's a fucking lie.

He hasn't played much either, had they drafted someone like Martin they would've been better off the last 2 games... Seriously such a bad choice by the Texans..

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In comment 11869143 MikeN in Ottawa said:
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failure to recognize the Offensive Line was aging and not to invest high draft picks to rebuild the line for another SB run or two. It appears right now, we may not be ready for at least another year or two. I like Pugh and Richburg but the decision to sign Beatty to that deal was another HUGE mistake.


I think Beatty has been playing good enough so far this year. Between Beatty (2nd Round), Pugh (1st Round), and Richburg (2nd Round), thats 3 high draft choices on OL the past couple of years. I know everyone kills Reese for it, but its not like he has totally ignored the position during drafts. Its just that injuries and lack of development of late picks haven't panned out.



You don't rebuild your OL all at once......Beatty is nothing to get excited about.....Pugh and Richburg have only a small sample to judge them on, thus far....Pugh looked better than he was last year, when compared to what was out there to the left of him.....this year, more is expected of him, and I have not seen him improve much, if at all from last year...

The line should have had a steady infusion of new talent....guys ready to step in...instead we have counted on fourth and 7th rounders to do the job....it's been neglected, pure and simple....with the track record we have had from the 3rd round up, I can't understand why we don't package one of those picks with a first rounder, to move up and get what we need....BBI seems to feel we need bodies, and hate to give up draft picks....but look at all the bodies that we have drafted that don't make the team, that sit on the bench and don't play, and when they do, don't perform....

...since 2014 was an incredibly deep WR class. IMO you can question the Beckham pick because the dropoff in talent from Beckham to guys taken in the 2nd round was a lot less than the dropoff in talent from Martin to the OGs/OTs taken in the 2nd.

That said, I don't question the pick. It's defensible. What I do question is not signing a vet WR like James Jones and instead relying on Jerningan as Beckham's backup. The Giants needed a reliable vet in case Beckham stuggled to get used to the NFL (which is common with rookie WRs).

It's really all about order of addition. We needed both OL and WR help. It seemed more logical to address the o-line over drafting another smurf WR; however, the giants clearly valued him over Martin so I guess we can all hope they come next year and continue working on the o-line. If the o-line comes together sooner rather than later and OBJ shows some signs of life we may all feel differently soon.

If so, good enough to warrant being picked ~30 spots higher than Richburg? They're both interior OL on the Giants so if you want to compare any Giants draft pick to Martin, it should be Richburg.

Donald
Martin
CJ Mosley
Odb

In that order

I doubt he makes this pick again, not because of the hamstring really, but because of the injury to Schwartz and the poor play of Walton.

Eli might not survive Sunday. Giants caught a break when Clowney got hurt.

knowing what he knows now?

The Giants weren't going to get him for backup money.

At the moment, you could say the Giants would be better off with Zack Martin and Davante Adams (or Jordan Matthews, or Allen Robinson, or Jarvis Landry, or any other rookie receiver who's actually playing) than with Beckham and Richburg. I think that's extracting a lot from a tiny data sample.

I wanted Martin over ODB. However, after the pick was made, I went back and watched many of ODB's you tube clips and I understood why Reese took him. When healthy, he is a deceptively quick playmaker.

What I wonder is if Lewan was not taken by the Titans would he ave been the pick instead?

of whether he'd draft him if he knew he'd get injured, and more about whether he'd draft him if he accurately predicted the skill and potential of the other WR's taken instead. We've yet to find out how good Beckham will be, but we already have a pretty good reason to believe that Kelvin Benjamin, Brandin Cooks, John Brown and Jordan Matthews can already contribute. Maybe hindsight will show in a few years that he would have been better off trading a few spots down -- or even just waiting until the 2nd or 3rd - if he wanted to take a stud WR.

But who knows? Beckham could wind up being just as good as - or better than -- any or all of them. Given a time machine and the ability to take the pick back would present Reese with a gamble just knowing what he knows now.

is the Giants needed to hit a home run with the #12 overall pick.

solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere.

what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.

is already playing at a high level.
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In comment 11869652 area junc said:

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is the Giants needed to hit a home run with the #12 overall pick. solidify the line. get a beast defender. get a playmaker. the needs were everywhere. what we couldn't afford is exactly what's happened, so far.

We're two, count 'em, two games into the season with a new system on O and a new OC. And you're ready to say that Beckham isn't a home run? That's fatuously rich.

Just because he hasn't had a chance to perform yet has zero to do with whether he's a home run, a whiff, or somewhere in between. I agree that it would have been much better if the hamstring problem never happened, but it did, and the Giants just have to deal with it (just like the team we're going to play next has to deal with the loss of Clowney).

What reasonable conclusions can be drawn from the sample size, thus far? None. Unfortunate? Sure, it sucks. Football players get injured.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Wouldn't but how would he know?
What worries me is that nyg's have
Hammy issues with many players...
web..holsey..grimble...had for months..
is it our training. ..

JR's offensive line philosophy is called "too little, too late".

the next Jerry Rice. Who knows?

based on how he would contribute over the first month of his career? Cmon.

What if Beckham becomes a weapon in game 10? What if he finishes the season and looks really good? Is he a wasted draft pick? Some of you guys need to get a grip. You come off like spoiled, impatient children. Injuries happen. Sometimes you have to wait. Give the kid a chance to get healthy.

Jerry Jones would still draft Martin if he knew that he would take out Sean Lee for the season in a non contact practice? Let's see how the kid plays before you already declare him a bust because of a hamstring.