Williams has really struggled thus far

is a brusing back similar to Hillis. Williams is faster than Hillis by a lot. Keep playing the kid. The Oline needs to improve it's blocking.

and quit using the spin move. It seemed like he did it on ever run last week.

blocking in front of him.

Oy vey.. enough with the calls for Peyton Hillis. He's not good.

Williams is struggling for the same reason Jennings is. The OL is not run blocking well and they're getting pushed back.

I made a thread about him the day of or the day after the game. He used a spin move at least three times during the game on limited carries. Yes, he was getting pressure in the backfield but he was brought in to give us a tough presence in the backfield and he needs to understand he is not going to be able to survive doing that. He's not nimble enough. In the open field he is more nimble but he doesn't have that stop and go ability to be "dancing" in the backfield. He needs to make his presence felt but just lowering his shoulder and punishing those trying to tackle him. At least at first until he gets better blocking.

Nothing about Williams play thus far has even looked remotely good. I'm not saying Hillis is great-but I think he deserves a look at this point in time.

is a backup plane and simple, if you play him too much he will get injured.

plain and simple, I don't think he can fly.

He didn't seem so awful in preseason when there were holes.

there were no holes and he was trying to gain a yard or two and not lose yardage. He needs a hole. Jennings does too. They aren't the types of backs that can make big plays without a hole at the LOS. There aren't many in the league to begin with.

the last thing I want is to put the talentless vets in.

Williams is still behind a patchy, work-in-progess O-Line. As long as he isn't costing us games, there is absolutely no reason Hillis should come in before him.

but I wouldn't mind seeing him some snaps on third down, when Jennings is resting.

Williams needs to play, I agree on that, but I'm very surprised we haven't seen Hillis on certain third down sets.

is hurting the team, though, on third down where he really isn't a viable option out of the backfield as a receiver......esp in this new offense we are running.

And, on cue, he dropped a dump off on Sunday on the last drive (or next to last drive).

run blocking sucks. Not sure why anyone thinks Hillis, who is slower, will do any better. Hillis is a better receiver, but not a better runner.

In comment 11869258 Randy in CT said:

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blocking in front of him.

Yep. its a mess... kid needs a hole.

In comment 11869351 AcidTest said:

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run blocking sucks. Not sure why anyone thinks Hillis, who is slower, will do any better. Hillis is a better receiver, but not a better runner.

Yep, so why not use Hillis similar to the Tony Galbreath role from the mid 80s. Come in on third down when Jennings is resting, and he's can either block or catch the ball out of the backfield if needed.

Williams still gets his carries....

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Ask Cruz and Randle.....more glaring on Williams because of his lack of receiving his senior year.....so how do you get better? Not by sitting on the sidelines....you trot him out there and hope he catches it and breaks a big one...

However, if the game is on the line, like last week, and the drops continue, then you have to make a change....but one drop? No.....that's like benching Wilson for one fumble.....

He was a force all summer. Hillis was the best of a very bad lot last year. That doesn't make him a good option now.

He does a few things well. He pass blocks well. He runs and plays very hard. He has good hands. the last two in combination made for some nice first downs in the passing game where it looked like nothing was there. But, overall, he is not a guy you want touching the ball a lot during the game.

In comment 11869377 Doomster said:

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Ask Cruz and Randle.....more glaring on Williams because of his lack of receiving his senior year.....so how do you get better? Not by sitting on the sidelines....you trot him out there and hope he catches it and breaks a big one... However, if the game is on the line, like last week, and the drops continue, then you have to make a change....but one drop? No.....that's like benching Wilson for one fumble.....

Doom...I'm not saying to sit him. You play him...when he runs on first and second down, you still have the option to throw to him then if the play calls for that. I see your point.

I'm just saying on third down, I think Hillis is a better option than Williams right now (when of course Jennings is resting).

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And Jennings is a better option than either. But, if the use Williams on 3rd down, at least he gives opposing defenses the threat of running the ball to think about. I don't think they are worried about Hillis getting the ball, unless it is short yardage.

In comment 11869392 Matt M. said:

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And Jennings is a better option than either. But, if the use Williams on 3rd down, at least he gives opposing defenses the threat of running the ball to think about. I don't think they are worried about Hillis getting the ball, unless it is short yardage.

Yes but at the same time, I think NFL defenses don't respect Williams in the pass game at this stage.

Do I think he'll get better. Yes.

I just think Hillis could get some more useful snaps, say on third and 8 or more, that's all.

Whomever is playing - his back up is better.

that Hillis was incredibly slow. The kid is getting limited reps and so far hasn't gotten much blocking. Give him some time.

or maybe even more so.....but that another problem...

Williams looks more hesitant in the regular season than in preseason. Granted, piss-poor blocking and going against the #1's doesn't help. Keep him in there & see what we have.

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or maybe even more so.....but that another problem...

Agreed, in fact I thought that's who this thread was for. He's been terrible.

can't figure out why they're not considering LaMichael James.

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is hurting the team, though, on third down where he really isn't a viable option out of the backfield as a receiver......esp in this new offense we are running. And, on cue, he dropped a dump off on Sunday on the last drive (or next to last drive).

He caught two other passes which is 2 more than last year. But I agree, he shouldn't be in there on obvious passing third downs. He is not a threat there and needs more development.

They dint trust him in the passing game so teams can load up in the run

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I was thinking the same. Williams has to stop that f-ing spin move. Its done nothing for him

Sure, give Hillis a few reps and maybe he can occasionally generate a spark, but for fook's sake get off pushing for 3rd string RB or a WR that couldn't even make an NFL roster. The roster is what it is, bargain basement isn't going to be better than the rotation players already on the team.

In comment 11869259 arcarsenal said:

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Oy vey.. enough with the calls for Peyton Hillis. He's not good. Williams is struggling for the same reason Jennings is. The OL is not run blocking well and they're getting pushed back.

And pass protecting and catching a ball.

is it the white guy grittiness that we're lacking?

In comment 11869573 SHO'NUFF said:

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can't figure out why they're not considering LaMichael James.

Surprised you can't figure it out. I'll spell it out for you. He is an athlete, but does not have good instincts.

Might be that he's not any good.

A team that lives by running the football, San Francisco, couldn't make use of him.

doesn't mean he's the same player in the NFL. To this point, he's done next to nothing in the pros.

In comment 11869460 fbdad said:

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Whomever is playing - his back up is better.

This plave is an insane asylum. 2 games in and we already know what the rookie can do and should be taking his limited carries. Yeah, OK. This after we listen the perpetual bitch parade about how Coughlin doesn't give rookies chances.I've had more coherent conversations with crack addicts.

Derek Ward!!!

In comment 11869807 David in LA said:

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is it the white guy grittiness that we're lacking?

Yes, you nailed it!

There were no holes to run through for any runner in the
Cards game.

Of all the problems on the team, Andre has to be near the bottom.

has been horrendous. Walter Payton couldn't run behind that line either! All three interior linemen are not doing well. Hyno and Donnell have also not helped. He needs more opportunities. Hillis is not the answer.

don't draft (for the most part) running backs at the top of the draft anymore is because success in the running game is much more about your offensive line than it is about your backs. The Giants have really struggled with run blocking so our backs look pedestrian.

If our run blocking improves, our backs, Williams included will look good.

I think he'll be good. I have to admit though....he looks like his hands are made of frying pans in the passing game. I've never seen a player look more uncomfortable catching a ball. Looks a little like Rocky Thompson fielding punts!

In comment 11869253 mrvax said:

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is a brusing back similar to Hillis. Williams is faster than Hillis by a lot. Keep playing the kid. The Oline needs to improve it's blocking.

I agree. Two years from now Hillis will be digging ditches (not really) but Williams might actually turn into the Giants' feature back.

The Giants have nothing to lose at this point.

In comment 11870052 I'mRonBurgandy? said:

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Looks a little like Rocky Thompson fielding punts!

Thanks for the visual...now I'm off to the opthamologist's to unsear my eyes.

An old wily vet finds a place to gain yards. That's what Hillis does (not that he's better than Williams).

Sky's the limit with a guy like Andre', he's just not ready yet.

Can't disagree. While this team builds confidence a guy who can block and catch might be a good thing.

In comment 11869807 David in LA said:

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is it the white guy grittiness that we're lacking?

Ha. I knew someone would make a comment like this. Nice try, but no.

that a slow footed RB and a WR that couldn't make a NFL roster is remotely close to a viable solution. "Nice try, but no" should apply to your original post buddy.

Would be nice if the OL could create running lanes.