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NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:29 am
Today is the referendum in Scotland.
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Voters will answer "Yes" or "No" to the referendum question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"


Polls have been open since this morning, will close 5pm NYC time. Decision to be announced 1:30-2:30am NYC time (if my math is correct).

News media are prohibited by British law from discussing results until after all voting has closed.


So what do we think, BBI? Who will win?

Any voters posting here today? Any otherwise British BBIers with an opinion one way or another?

Personally, I hope they go for it, economic "consequences" be damned. National borders are about more than efficiency, IMO.
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Quebec is the correct comp for this  
Rob in NYC : 9/18/2014 9:37 pm : link
When push came to shove, people voted with their wallets...
Shetland is a NO  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 9:44 pm : link
again, another tiny district.
LibDem strongholds...  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 9:46 pm : link
not surprising
Eilean Saar  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:02 pm : link
goes 10k NO 9k YES, and I think they were expected to go yes..?
The guy announced the results in Scottish which was kinda weird. BBC guy had no idea what he was saying.
RE: Quebec is the correct comp for this  
RasputinPrime : 9/18/2014 10:04 pm : link
In comment 11870423 Rob in NYC said:
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When push came to shove, people voted with their wallets...


I went through that in the 90s in Quebec and it wasn't pretty. While deep down I think every region wants to be king of its own castle, we live in such an interconnected world it is virtually impossible to risk a reset/reboot.

FREEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM next time.
RE: Eilean Saar  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:06 pm : link
In comment 11870463 NoPeanutz said:
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goes 10k NO 9k YES, and I think they were expected to go yes..?
The guy announced the results in Scottish which was kinda weird. BBC guy had no idea what he was saying.


Gaelic? Scots is just a dialect of English.
Scottish Gaelic I guess  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:10 pm : link
isnt that different from other Irish Gaelic?
Damn Scots!  
Mike in Philly : 9/18/2014 10:14 pm : link
RE: Scottish Gaelic I guess  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:27 pm : link
In comment 11870477 NoPeanutz said:
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isnt that different from other Irish Gaelic?


Somewhat. A lot of similarities.
Looking more and more inevitable...  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:33 pm : link
Alex Salmond apparently got on a jet heading somewhere.
a bit larger district in, nearly a dead heat there  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 10:36 pm : link
Inverclyde 49.9 Yes, 50.1 No, 27,243 to 27,329 on 87% turnout.
Inverclyde now...  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:36 pm : link
YES 27k NO 27k... rejected. by fewer than 100 votes.
Renfrewshire  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:54 pm : link
NO 62k YES 55k
large district in  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 10:55 pm : link
Renfrewshire 55k Yes, 62k No.

Dundee votes Yes, first to go that way, 53k Yes, 39k No, the No lead is cut to about 6k with 7 districts in.
Assuming a no...  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:59 pm : link
it'll be very very interesting to think about where they go from here. Would a further delegation of powers just be a stepping-stone to a successful referendum down the line? Does the UK adopt a more federalized character, with England seeking some devolved powers for itself?
I heard one guy talking about  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:02 pm : link
how Scotland wants a written constitution. Hmm, must be nice. LOL
I think federalization would be a natural offshoot of this  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:04 pm : link
the English bloc will not react quietly to the expanded powers that have been promised for Scotland in the event of a no vote.
...  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:04 pm : link
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Across the country the result is currently Yes 49.1% and No 50.9% with the really big areas still to come.

At the moment it is 178,811 NO, against 172,426 YES
really big still to come is an understatement  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:06 pm : link
in Glasgow alone there were more ballots cast than the 7 to come in so far combined.
Glasglow expected to be about 50/50...  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:07 pm : link
if it breaks for Yes by even a couple percentage points it could make it competitive.
that's what I'm waiting to see  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:09 pm : link
if Glasgow surprises to the Yes it becomes very interesting rest of the night.

West Dunbartonshire with an expected Yes vote, joining Dundee.
West Dun is aYES  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:10 pm : link
by about 5k votes.
Midlothian is a NO  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:13 pm : link
by about 5k votes
Stirling votes no  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:17 pm : link
and by a substantial margin. That puts it on the edge of certainty.
what site are ya guys following  
JayBinQueens : 9/18/2014 11:17 pm : link
the vote on?
West Lothian pretty decisive  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:18 pm : link
27 and change YES vs 44 and change NO
RE: West Lothian pretty decisive  
Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:19 pm : link
In comment 11870575 Dunedin81 said:
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27 and change YES vs 44 and change NO


East Lothian, sorry
Falkirk votes no  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:22 pm : link
50k to 58k. 12 of 32 reporting, 47% to 53% margin overall.
bbc  
NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:22 pm : link
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/live
9 largest districts  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:27 pm : link
yet to report. I've got it on the TV, BBC World. Has been far more interesting than the disaster that was Thursday Night Football this week.
Angus votes no  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:30 pm : link
35k to 45k. That's another blow to the Yes campaign.

Dumfries decisively no, 36k to 70k
Looks like it'll end up being a  
JayBinQueens : 9/18/2014 11:36 pm : link
"no" vote...
That being said, assuming it stays the same, how do you think the "yes" supporters react? Do they just accept the democratic process or do they rebel?
multiple districts coming in together  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:37 pm : link
voting no in generally 40-60 margins. 17 of 32 in, 44%-56% total.
You can find a live stream of Sky News  
Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:37 pm : link
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http://www.livestation.com - ( New Window )
North Lanarkshire with a Yes vote  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:46 pm : link
115k for it, but only by a 5k margin.
RE: North Lanarkshire with a Yes vote  
Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:52 pm : link
In comment 11870593 WeatherMan said:
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115k for it, but only by a 5k margin.


I think that was a mistake.
nvm  
Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:53 pm : link
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Glasgow is in  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:54 pm : link
364,664 ballots.

75% turnout.

194,779 Yes
169,347 No
the margin in Glasgow is not large enough  
WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:55 pm : link
No will carry the day.
Sky calling it a  
Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:55 pm : link
no for indepedence
with 23 of 32, including Glasgow  
ray in arlington : 9/19/2014 12:00 am : link
it is 54.34% NO, 45.66% YES

they are calling it a no  
Jints in Carolina : 9/19/2014 12:02 am : link
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24 of 32  
ray in arlington : 9/19/2014 12:03 am : link
54.21% NO, 45.79% YES
25 of 32  
ray in arlington : 9/19/2014 12:11 am : link
south Ayrshire is in

54.33 NO 45.67 YES

and the BBC  
ray in arlington : 9/19/2014 12:22 am : link
now calls for no also, with a projection of 55% no 45% yes.
looks like that's that.  
Del Shofner : 9/19/2014 12:38 am : link
Who's up next to secede? Catalonia? Flanders?
I am very pleased  
manh george : 9/19/2014 12:47 am : link
The price of my Scotch isn't going up. Scotch independence has been retained.
I see CNN was firing on all cylinders yesterday  
Greg from LI : 9/19/2014 9:04 am : link
RE: I see CNN was firing on all cylinders yesterday  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2014 9:08 am : link
In comment 11870758 Greg from LI said:
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Jesus, it's the Gymboree of news networks.
Scottish models roll a saving throw for this thread  
ATL_Giant : 9/19/2014 9:19 am : link
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