Today is the referendum in Scotland.
Voters will answer "Yes" or "No" to the referendum question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?" |
Polls have been open since this morning, will close 5pm NYC time. Decision to be announced 1:30-2:30am NYC time (if my math is correct).
News media are prohibited by British law from discussing results until after all voting has closed.
So what do we think, BBI? Who will win?
Any voters posting here today? Any otherwise British BBIers with an opinion one way or another?
Personally, I hope they go for it, economic "consequences" be damned. National borders are about more than efficiency, IMO.
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Yes. Westminster said it would accept the results of the referendum, and some sort of divorce negotiation would then occur. Scotland would retain the queen as the titular head and be a part of the Commonwealth, but oil revenues and the fate of the armed forces will be two of the biggest sticking points.
It's not that it would necessarily be a mistake. It's just that there could be some short and medium-term pain prior to them hitting their stride. And "stride" may not be in the first rank of European nations.
Cameron becomes the most infamous PM since Chamberlain since he'll be held responsible for losing Great Britain if Yes wins. He'll be subject to a no-confidence vote almost immediately. If No wins Great Britain remains united and Ed Miliband (Labour opposition) can pretty much start measuring the drapes for 10 Downing next year as Cameron is still unpopular and Scotland is devoid of Conservatives. Labour will win some seats back from the SNP in Scotland and take a lot of marginal Tory seats in England.
For Scotland, who will fund their part of the UK debt in case of a Yes vote? All the Scottish banks said they are hightailing it out of there. Their oil plans are flimsy at best and the rump UK would demand any oil profits in exchange for funding some of the debt. There are also noises out of London that they will not allow Scotland to use the pound sterling, which means Scotland will be forced to go to Brussels with hat in hand to join the euro or develop their own currency. The euro makes them vulnerable to Merkel's whims which is worse than their current situation and a new currency will be worthless compared to either the pound or euro. The EU won't be fond of taking in another country with debt. Other countries with separatist movements are also upset; Spain explicitly said it will reject Scotland's admission as they will have Catalan and Basque problems if Scotland votes yes.
People with relatives in Ireland, Japan and Tennessee are all voting "yes."
That was always the thought in Canada if Quebec were to leave. The city of Montreal, First Nations communities, and various others likely would have attempted to high tail it out of the "new" nation. For example could the Shetland Islands leave Scotland right after this?
Can that actually happen, and do any think it would?
It has a degree of manufacturing, financial services, oil, agriculture/forestry and fishing, along with tourism. The problem is cutting through the hyperbole and trying to guess what would and wouldn't leave. Defense-related industries likely go. Financial services probably lose a bit too, maybe as much as they're threatening (maybe more) but once the concerns are smoothed over maybe less. Oil is an open question.
and the like I would think.
And that's not minor either. Part of the reason Labour is fighting so hard to keep the Scots is because they know an exit is a ticket to long-term minority. They consistently return at most a couple Tory MPs to Westminster. Being governed by a party that neither you nor your neighbors (nor the vast majority of your countrymen) voted for is problematic and heightens the Scottish identity.
Scotland would retain the queen as the titular head and be a part of the Commonwealth
Not classy talking about the Queen like that....smh....;)
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The reason the Yes vote has a real shot is because the Scots HATE the Tories. Only a single representative from Scotland in the House of Commons is a conservative. Nearly all of the rest are Labor or Liberal Democrat.
And that's not minor either. Part of the reason Labour is fighting so hard to keep the Scots is because they know an exit is a ticket to long-term minority. They consistently return at most a couple Tory MPs to Westminster. Being governed by a party that neither you nor your neighbors (nor the vast majority of your countrymen) voted for is problematic and heightens the Scottish identity.
That sounds like a ridiculous argument to me. That's like if Texas wanted to secede because the Dems controlled the White House or Congress. It's not like it's permanent.
As I said in the other thread, regardless of outcome, I wish Scotland well as I have very found memories of my time there.
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People with relatives in Ireland, Japan and Tennessee are all voting "yes."
Just got a couple of $60 plus shipping bottles of JW Platinum (courtesy of the earlier informative scotch thread) -- just in case.
People with relatives in Ireland, Japan and Tennessee are all voting "yes."
The Japanese own virtually all of the distilleries. They're whiskey-drinking fools!
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More power to them.
First results from a small area in, 46% yes and 54% no in Clackmannanshire. This may be shaping up like the Quebec vote, a late public surge for yes but an overall close win for no.
I have that tattooed on me, even though I know its a ripoff of Erin Go Bragh