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NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:29 am

Today is the referendum in Scotland.

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Voters will answer "Yes" or "No" to the referendum question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Polls have been open since this morning, will close 5pm NYC time. Decision to be announced 1:30-2:30am NYC time (if my math is correct).

News media are prohibited by British law from discussing results until after all voting has closed.

So what do we think, BBI? Who will win?

Any voters posting here today? Any otherwise British BBIers with an opinion one way or another?

Personally, I hope they go for it, economic "consequences" be damned. National borders are about more than efficiency, IMO.
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Turnout in Stirling topped 90%

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 8:52 pm : link

...

Orkney declared...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 9:11 pm : link

and voted No by more than 2:1.

So far the NOs are whipping

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 9:11 pm : link

the YESs. Looks like the UK will make it.

Maybe thats only 2/32 districts though

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 9:13 pm : link

?
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Ira : 9/18/2014 9:14 pm : link

Clackmannanshire declares for NO
89% turnout of 35,386 - 54% no, 46% yes
No: 19,036
Yes: 16,350

I think Clackmannanshire was supposed to be a Yes area.

Salmond ' s home turf of Aberdeenshire: 60-40 No

Greg from LI : 9/18/2014 9:21 pm : link

Ouch

Yeah based on the late polls...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 9:23 pm : link

it seems like they're headed to a No vote. Scotland will still get some additional powers devolved to its parliament even if it happens, and this will still be a very significant milestone.

Orkney is very small

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 9:24 pm : link

and was expected to go no. Not even 20,000 voters there, in comparison Glasgow with over 370,000 ballots cast. No looks to lead, but it's not a certainty with very limited official numbers thus far.

sorry, 364,664 in Glasgow

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 9:29 pm : link

was slightly off in the previous post.

England's response to this will also be interesting...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 9:32 pm : link

some English Tories want to punish Scotland for trying this. The sense is that if Scotland gets its own parliament and gets increasing powers English MPs should start to make decisions about England without Scotland's MPs. Whether this gathers any traction or not remains to be seen.

Quebec is the correct comp for this

Rob in NYC : 9/18/2014 9:37 pm : link

When push came to shove, people voted with their wallets...

Shetland is a NO

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 9:44 pm : link

again, another tiny district.

LibDem strongholds...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 9:46 pm : link

not surprising

Eilean Saar

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:02 pm : link

goes 10k NO 9k YES, and I think they were expected to go yes..?
The guy announced the results in Scottish which was kinda weird. BBC guy had no idea what he was saying.

RE: Quebec is the correct comp for this

RasputinPrime : 9/18/2014 10:04 pm : link

In comment 11870423 Rob in NYC said:

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When push came to shove, people voted with their wallets...

I went through that in the 90s in Quebec and it wasn't pretty. While deep down I think every region wants to be king of its own castle, we live in such an interconnected world it is virtually impossible to risk a reset/reboot.

FREEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM next time.

RE: Eilean Saar

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:06 pm : link

In comment 11870463 NoPeanutz said:

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goes 10k NO 9k YES, and I think they were expected to go yes..?
The guy announced the results in Scottish which was kinda weird. BBC guy had no idea what he was saying.

Gaelic? Scots is just a dialect of English.

Scottish Gaelic I guess

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:10 pm : link

isnt that different from other Irish Gaelic?

Damn Scots!

Mike in Philly : 9/18/2014 10:14 pm : link

RE: Scottish Gaelic I guess

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:27 pm : link

In comment 11870477 NoPeanutz said:

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isnt that different from other Irish Gaelic?

Somewhat. A lot of similarities.

Looking more and more inevitable...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:33 pm : link

Alex Salmond apparently got on a jet heading somewhere.

a bit larger district in, nearly a dead heat there

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 10:36 pm : link

Inverclyde 49.9 Yes, 50.1 No, 27,243 to 27,329 on 87% turnout.

Inverclyde now...

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:36 pm : link

YES 27k NO 27k... rejected. by fewer than 100 votes.

Renfrewshire

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 10:54 pm : link

NO 62k YES 55k

large district in

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 10:55 pm : link

Renfrewshire 55k Yes, 62k No.

Dundee votes Yes, first to go that way, 53k Yes, 39k No, the No lead is cut to about 6k with 7 districts in.

Assuming a no...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 10:59 pm : link

it'll be very very interesting to think about where they go from here. Would a further delegation of powers just be a stepping-stone to a successful referendum down the line? Does the UK adopt a more federalized character, with England seeking some devolved powers for itself?

I heard one guy talking about

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:02 pm : link

how Scotland wants a written constitution. Hmm, must be nice. LOL

I think federalization would be a natural offshoot of this

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:04 pm : link

the English bloc will not react quietly to the expanded powers that have been promised for Scotland in the event of a no vote.

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Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:04 pm : link

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Across the country the result is currently Yes 49.1% and No 50.9% with the really big areas still to come.

At the moment it is 178,811 NO, against 172,426 YES

really big still to come is an understatement

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:06 pm : link

in Glasgow alone there were more ballots cast than the 7 to come in so far combined.

Glasglow expected to be about 50/50...

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:07 pm : link

if it breaks for Yes by even a couple percentage points it could make it competitive.

that's what I'm waiting to see

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:09 pm : link

if Glasgow surprises to the Yes it becomes very interesting rest of the night.

West Dunbartonshire with an expected Yes vote, joining Dundee.

West Dun is aYES

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:10 pm : link

by about 5k votes.

Midlothian is a NO

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:13 pm : link

by about 5k votes

Stirling votes no

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:17 pm : link

and by a substantial margin. That puts it on the edge of certainty.

what site are ya guys following

JayBinQueens : 9/18/2014 11:17 pm : link

the vote on?

West Lothian pretty decisive

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:18 pm : link

27 and change YES vs 44 and change NO

RE: West Lothian pretty decisive

Dunedin81 : 9/18/2014 11:19 pm : link

In comment 11870575 Dunedin81 said:

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27 and change YES vs 44 and change NO

East Lothian, sorry

Falkirk votes no

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:22 pm : link

50k to 58k. 12 of 32 reporting, 47% to 53% margin overall.

bbc

NoPeanutz : 9/18/2014 11:22 pm : link

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/live

9 largest districts

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:27 pm : link

yet to report. I've got it on the TV, BBC World. Has been far more interesting than the disaster that was Thursday Night Football this week.

Angus votes no

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:30 pm : link

35k to 45k. That's another blow to the Yes campaign.

Dumfries decisively no, 36k to 70k

Looks like it'll end up being a

JayBinQueens : 9/18/2014 11:36 pm : link

"no" vote...
That being said, assuming it stays the same, how do you think the "yes" supporters react? Do they just accept the democratic process or do they rebel?

multiple districts coming in together

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:37 pm : link

voting no in generally 40-60 margins. 17 of 32 in, 44%-56% total.

You can find a live stream of Sky News

Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:37 pm : link

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North Lanarkshire with a Yes vote

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:46 pm : link

115k for it, but only by a 5k margin.

RE: North Lanarkshire with a Yes vote

Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:52 pm : link

In comment 11870593 WeatherMan said:

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115k for it, but only by a 5k margin.

I think that was a mistake.

nvm

Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:53 pm : link

Glasgow is in

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:54 pm : link

364,664 ballots.

75% turnout.

194,779 Yes
169,347 No

the margin in Glasgow is not large enough

WeatherMan : 9/18/2014 11:55 pm : link

No will carry the day.

Sky calling it a

Jim in Scranton : 9/18/2014 11:55 pm : link

no for indepedence

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