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With our troubles at WR, I looked up Hakeem Nicks'

Tom in NY : 9/18/2014 3:31 pm
stats with Indy for this year:

6 catches for 32 yards, long of 13, 1 TD.
Vs. Phila - 1 catch for -4 yards.

This, while playing with Andrew Luck, opposite Wayne, and Hilton...and with Fleener & Allen at TE.

After seeing him against the Giants in August, I thought he looked recovered from his ailments, but it does not appear that he is back to 2011 form.

Other than Barry Cofield (and quite possibly Joseph), it would appear that the Giants are pretty good about not bringing back their own players that will not be productive. ....though, Bradshaw did look pretty good to me on Monday night.

I did a "search" for Nicks on the Corner Forum, but found nothing on this. If this has been discussed, I will delete.
Hasn't really been discussed.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/18/2014 3:33 pm : link
however, Cofield and Joseph weren't let go because the Giants thought poorly of them.

They're both very good players.
He is fully healthy and could be a force in that offense  
UberAlias : 9/18/2014 3:34 pm : link
The problem is they just aren't getting him involved in the game planning. IMO he's the bets WR they have in that offense but they are going with the guys they are familiar with.
He would be #1 WR in our offense  
UberAlias : 9/18/2014 3:35 pm : link
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Nicks mostly only plays in 3 WR sets.  
kmed : 9/18/2014 3:36 pm : link
He's done being a "force" in the NFL.
He would absolutely not be our #1.  
kmed : 9/18/2014 3:36 pm : link
How can anyone that has watched him since early last year say that? He's a shell of the guy he used to be.
I  
AcidTest : 9/18/2014 3:37 pm : link
would have preferred to keep Cofield and Joseph, but at least the Giants had more than adequate replacements when each left. The problem isn't players leaving. It's the players arriving.
Bradshaw had two career touchdown receptions with us  
mattlawson : 9/18/2014 3:38 pm : link
He had two the other night. And one of the best past blockers in the league.... Miss that dude.
RE: Nicks mostly only plays in 3 WR sets.  
UberAlias : 9/18/2014 3:38 pm : link
In comment 11869980 kmed said:
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He's done being a "force" in the NFL.
I disagree. He's the same player he was when he was here but for whatever reason Indi is going with the guys they are familiar with a burying him in a talented offense. I know a few Indi fans and they all hate the OC and don't think he knows how to use the weapons they have.
And Bradshaw did look good  
BillT : 9/18/2014 3:39 pm : link
But he was constantly injured and he only played 3 games last year with the Colts. Would you have waited for him. Reese would have gotten killed if he resigned him.
They are balanced to a fault in Indy.  
kmed : 9/18/2014 3:40 pm : link
They play a lot of 2 TE sets. Nicks comes in on 3 WR sets and Wayne moves to the slot. Nicks came into camp out of shape and they were very disappointed in his effort. He's nowhere near the same guy and it's obvious to me. He will never be a force in the NFL again.
Rather have him out there than Randle  
jeff57 : 9/18/2014 3:40 pm : link
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A team that's as oft injured as we are  
kmed : 9/18/2014 3:41 pm : link
cannot rely on Ahmad Bradshaw. Unfortunately, that's just the business side of things.
RE: Nicks mostly only plays in 3 WR sets.  
Arcanum : 9/18/2014 3:41 pm : link
In comment 11869980 kmed said:
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He's done being a "force" in the NFL.


Basically
RE: I  
GIANTSr01 : 9/18/2014 3:42 pm : link
In comment 11869987 AcidTest said:
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would have preferred to keep Cofield and Joseph, but at least the Giants had more than adequate replacements when each left. The problem isn't players leaving. It's the players arriving.


The Giants front office seems to be very good at identifying and drafting DT talent (Austin aside): Hankins, Joseph, Cofield, Canty, Jenkins, etc (Bromley looks good early too). The problem is the acquiring of players at other positions, most notably LB and OL.
He looks better physically  
JonC : 9/18/2014 3:44 pm : link
but it's not being reflected in his football performance, so the jury's still out on him, imv.
I actually had to stop watching on Monday Night  
ballanda : 9/18/2014 3:47 pm : link
because it was making me too depressed to see #44 in a different uniform. Nicks? pfft.
HATS OFF TO MR. BRADSHAW,  
OldPolack : 9/18/2014 3:57 pm : link
you are a true warrior. We miss you.
He will only have 1 good game this year  
Matt in SGS : 9/18/2014 3:58 pm : link
and we all know that it will be on Monday Night in a few weeks.
he looks ok...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/18/2014 4:01 pm : link
he's #3 and they dont go 3WR alot...

I did see him jawing with Luck on the sidelines once during the game....


He wont be happy with that...
he sucks  
SBlue46 : 9/18/2014 4:03 pm : link
He would fail this O...have to get open fast..
he has no speed or cutting movement
and the Colts have the same record as us, go figure  
gtt350 : 9/18/2014 4:06 pm : link
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As far as Nicks goes  
fadeproof : 9/18/2014 4:15 pm : link
He still lacks the explosion that he had pre 2012, at least so far. He is going against #3 & #4 corners and has done little so far and if he was still #1 caliber he should dominate those corners.

As for Bradshaw he did look great and revitalized but I cant blame the Giants for not resigning him with his constant injuries. Heck he had a major neck injury with the Colts last year and it was 50/50 he would even come back. Good for him but the true test is whether he can stay healthy long term.
Nicks is separating better  
JonC : 9/18/2014 4:16 pm : link
but I'd agree he doesn't have the same pop he had, which wasn't a lot but it was enough to beat most DBs.
Colts have become a little dysfunctional  
Defenderdawg : 9/18/2014 4:30 pm : link
"Yet despite Luck's multitude of exceptional qualities, Indianapolis offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton doesn't play to his strengths. Luck's ability to quickly diagnose coverages and locate the direction of the defense's pressure begs for a wide-open offensive attack. With receivers Reggie Wayne, T.Y. Hilton and Hakeem Nicks on the field together, Luck can systematically carve up a defense with his arm. With so many capable pass catchers spreading out the defense, Luck can pick up big yardage himself when his targets are covered. Instead, Hamilton favors a power run approach with multiple tight ends and limited big play potential.

The Colts offensive issues under Hamilton are considerable. His scheme requires big, ogre-like offensive linemen to bully defenders and chisel out creases for the running backs. Once a hole forms, those running backs must make a single cut and burst through, falling through defenders for extra yardage. Rinse and repeat until the defense is worn down and four-yard gains turn into eight. Though antiquated, such an offense can still work in the NFL with the right personnel. Yet Indianapolis, with one of the league's lightest offensive lines and an indecisive lead back in Trent Richardson, is ill-equipped to execute the offense. Hamilton continues to call plays for a roster he doesn't have."
Link - ( New Window )
As far as Joseph  
Defenderdawg : 9/18/2014 4:34 pm : link
He has a good opening game but a poor effort last week...I'm sure he will be okay but at what the Vikings are paying him...

The problem for the Giants is repeatedly using high picks at the same position, three two's and a three at the DT position in the last few years. Meanwhile there are holes elsewhere in the roster.
RE: Bradshaw had two career touchdown receptions with us  
Toth029 : 9/18/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11869990 mattlawson said:
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He had two the other night. And one of the best past blockers in the league.... Miss that dude.

Tough SOB.

I like Jennings a lot, though. Versatile in every form. They're missing a good speed back since Wilson is out, though.

As for Nicks, don't miss him. I do miss the potential that Marcus Harris and Odell Beckham could be bringing in this offense.
Bradshaw  
JOrthman : 9/18/2014 4:46 pm : link
Bradshaw wasn't let go because of talent. He could still play when we released him. He was just part of a backfield that couldn't stay healthy and the Giants couldn't afford to keep shelling out money to him. He is a true warrior I still enjoy watching, but his being cut loose was purely buisness.
The loss of the Nicks from 2011-12  
oldutican : 9/18/2014 5:34 pm : link
is huge for the Giants. Just another Giant playmaker whose career flamed out in injury: Smith, Wilson.
RE: The loss of the Nicks from 2011-12  
Semipro Lineman : 9/18/2014 5:43 pm : link
In comment 11870178 oldutican said:
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is huge for the Giants. Just another Giant playmaker whose career flamed out in injury: Smith, Wilson.


You can add in Phillips, Thomas, Goff, Nicks, and Bradshaw as guys who would still be young enough to contribute to the current team. But in the end, that's par for the course in the NFL. Sometimes you get it in bunches while other times you have a brief dry spell without a lot of those injuries. The lost of those contributors (especially the 2008 ones) in addition to the lackluster drafting is really hurting the Giants. It's not just awful drafting as get repeated endlessly around here
I see that Nicks is  
Semipro Lineman : 9/18/2014 5:49 pm : link
mentioned twice in the injured playmaker list. My Bad. Basic point is still the same. Giants need to do better in addition to get a little luckier
RE: RE: The loss of the Nicks from 2011-12  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/18/2014 5:58 pm : link
In comment 11870187 Semipro Lineman said:
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In comment 11870178 oldutican said:


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is huge for the Giants. Just another Giant playmaker whose career flamed out in injury: Smith, Wilson.



You can add in Phillips, Thomas, Goff, Nicks, and Bradshaw as guys who would still be young enough to contribute to the current team. But in the end, that's par for the course in the NFL. Sometimes you get it in bunches while other times you have a brief dry spell without a lot of those injuries. The lost of those contributors (especially the 2008 ones) in addition to the lackluster drafting is really hurting the Giants. It's not just awful drafting as get repeated endlessly around here


Those players you mention are supposed to be the core of this team right now.
RE: As far as Joseph  
TMS : 9/18/2014 6:13 pm : link
In comment 11870115 Defenderdawg said:
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He has a good opening game but a poor effort last week...I'm sure he will be okay but at what the Vikings are paying him...

The problem for the Giants is repeatedly using high picks at the same position, three two's and a three at the DT position in the last few years. Meanwhile there are holes elsewhere in the roster.
The problem is the giants will not resign players at the DT position after they have proved thier worth. They let Cofield go now Joseph. They went out and spent a fortune to sign Canty (who was injured much of the time) . We could have kept Joseph as a bookend DT with Hankins and been set for years. Instead we signed all these FA who are dropping like flies. Dumb.
RE: Nicks mostly only plays in 3 WR sets.  
Tom in NY : 9/18/2014 8:42 pm : link
In comment 11869980 kmed said:
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He's done being a "force" in the NFL.


Wow! They are paying him $10MM this year to be a 3rd WR?
That says quite a bit about him.
...and when was they matched up against Phila DBs, he sure didn't seem to get open much.
Nicks,  
Doomster : 9/18/2014 9:53 pm : link
has flashes, because he is not injured, yet....he is making less than 2M this year, with another 2M in incentives....not sure what those are.....guess you could say he has doubled his TD receptions from last year....yes, I know 2 times zero is zero.....but I'm fudging....

As for Bradshaw, Coughlin always ran him into the ground.....Indy is using him, wisely, with Richardson, even though Richardson basically sucks.....you have to limit Ahmad's touches....
2 years and 2 days ago..  
arcarsenal : 9/18/2014 9:58 pm : link
...the Hakeem Nicks we knew went bye bye.
Bradshaw  
Percy : 9/18/2014 10:14 pm : link
Looked good; Nicks not so much. Miss the former, not the latter.
Too early to throw Marvin Austin ...  
Manny in CA : 9/18/2014 10:45 pm : link
In the trash. He suffered with a chronic back injury (that apparently he kept to himself).

So, blame Jerry Reese (and scouts) for not being a lot more thorough about not finding out about his physical condition and NOT because they blew a draft pick because he didn't have top tier talent (he's always had plenty of that). Now he's ready to shine for the Broncos.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/marvin-austin-finally-healthy-year-4

Same thing happened with Wilson. He suffered a neck injury in college (which apparently slipped past the Giants); you know how that ended



RE: Colts have become a little dysfunctional  
NINEster : 9/19/2014 3:08 am : link
In comment 11870106 Defenderdawg said:
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"Yet despite Luck's multitude of exceptional qualities, Indianapolis offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton doesn't play to his strengths. Luck's ability to quickly diagnose coverages and locate the direction of the defense's pressure begs for a wide-open offensive attack. With receivers Reggie Wayne, T.Y. Hilton and Hakeem Nicks on the field together, Luck can systematically carve up a defense with his arm. With so many capable pass catchers spreading out the defense, Luck can pick up big yardage himself when his targets are covered. Instead, Hamilton favors a power run approach with multiple tight ends and limited big play potential.

The Colts offensive issues under Hamilton are considerable. His scheme requires big, ogre-like offensive linemen to bully defenders and chisel out creases for the running backs. Once a hole forms, those running backs must make a single cut and burst through, falling through defenders for extra yardage. Rinse and repeat until the defense is worn down and four-yard gains turn into eight. Though antiquated, such an offense can still work in the NFL with the right personnel. Yet Indianapolis, with one of the league's lightest offensive lines and an indecisive lead back in Trent Richardson, is ill-equipped to execute the offense. Hamilton continues to call plays for a roster he doesn't have." Link - ( New Window )


Pep Hamilton is from Stanford, same like Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman.

The description above sounds like the 49er offense minus the pistol and read option packages. 49er passing game like Indy's is underachieving, esp. if the run game is not blowing teams out of the water.

Not sure I agree with the premise that the offense is antiquated. Not even 3 years ago most defensive lines in the league were set up to attack QBs, not stop the run (e.g. Philadelphia, Detroit, maybe even the Giants). In came SF and Seattle dedicated to power running, and teams were having a hard time stopping it without loading the box.

Did I miss that game?  
Doomster : 9/19/2014 8:03 am : link
How many tackles/sacks did Marvin have for the Broncos?

Will reserve judgement  
TMS : 9/19/2014 8:17 am : link
on Austin till later in the season. He has always given great press conferences. Lets see how long he is healthy and how he produces on the field?
I thought Nicks looked like crap. No explosiveness  
Victor in CT : 9/19/2014 10:03 am : link
at all. Bradshaw looked good I thought.
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