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Was the defense ok for everyone today?

arcarsenal : 9/21/2014 4:55 pm
We forced 3 turnovers. How many 3rd downs did they convert? On my watch they had 0 until late in the game when it was already decided. How'd they do on the 4th down they attempted?

This was without Thurmond. Without Beason. No Kennard.

Fire Fewell.

Oh. And by the way. Eli Manning can still play ball.
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They executed the game plan  
giantgiantfan : 9/21/2014 4:59 pm : link
of shut down the run and force throws from a QB who has proved he is nothing more than a game manager. Bigger test next week versus Washington next week. Something to build on for sure.
They were 0-10 at one point on 3rd downs  
Canton : 9/21/2014 4:59 pm : link
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So many times they had Fitzpatrick and they didn't finish him  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:00 pm : link
would like to get these QB's down. Overall they played a nice game
No  
Davisian : 9/21/2014 5:00 pm : link
Shut up
Fewell  
Zebra3 : 9/21/2014 5:02 pm : link
Let them back into the game late with the same soft zone shit and miscommunication in the secondary. Do we ever shut out anyone?
RE: No  
Giantology : 9/21/2014 5:03 pm : link
In comment 11874445 Davisian said:
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Shut up


The Defense played great today.  
Britt in VA : 9/21/2014 5:06 pm : link
Very happy with their performance.
Credit due...  
trueblueinpw : 9/21/2014 5:09 pm : link
Nice game by the defense. Williams needs help, looked lost on a few plays in zone coverage. Be nice to find the old ball hawking Stevie Brown. Two big plays almost let the Texans back in the second half. A good defensive team shuts the door there, especially at hime against a really pedestrian offense. D needs to play a complete game against the likes Fitzpatrick and they need to come up big in big spots in big games. This was a step in the right direction, no doubt about it.
lol  
chris r : 9/21/2014 5:12 pm : link
you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?
Hey Giantology, where did you find that picture  
Section331 : 9/21/2014 5:13 pm : link
of Davisian?
RE: lol  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:14 pm : link
In comment 11874471 chris r said:
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you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?


Why not go fuck yourself and leave the site?
dang.  
Britt in VA : 9/21/2014 5:14 pm : link
.
RE: lol  
Giantology : 9/21/2014 5:15 pm : link
In comment 11874471 chris r said:
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you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?


when has arc ever "worshipped" Fewell?
The defense worked for me  
PatersonPlank : 9/21/2014 5:16 pm : link
10 pts, numerous turnovers, no running game, and lot of pressure. Don't see how anyone can bitch.
chris r  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:16 pm : link
You had that line ready before the opening kickoff didn't you? Just to be the little contrarian whose act got old years ago
RE: RE: lol  
BMac : 9/21/2014 5:17 pm : link
In comment 11874475 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11874471 chris r said:


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you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?



Why not go fuck yourself and leave the site?


Second that.
RE: lol  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2014 5:18 pm : link
In comment 11874471 chris r said:
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you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?


Tell me more about how defenses with top tier personnel play "simple" defense and how we are trying to trick people via complexity based on....nothing.

If people are allowed to go wild about letting up too many 3rd downs last week I guess I'm allowed to point out when we hold a team to a goose egg until the game is out of reach.

Oh and everyone was also up in arms about not forcing any turnovers. We forced 3 today. Good enough or no?
This was also without Arian Foster and without a real QB  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:21 pm : link
This was the worst team in the NFL last season.

I'm not trying to shit on the defense, I just find this an odd example to rub in peoples faces.
RE: RE: lol  
montanagiant : 9/21/2014 5:23 pm : link
In comment 11874475 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11874471 chris r said:


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you feel vindicated for your bizarre Fewell worship based on beating one of the worse starting QBs in the league that was playing without his best offensive weapon?



Why not go fuck yourself and leave the site?

Well said..Tired of this miserable little bitch. His last two weeks have been ruined because Eli played very good.
RE: This was also without Arian Foster and without a real QB  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:24 pm : link
In comment 11874499 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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This was the worst team in the NFL last season.

I'm not trying to shit on the defense, I just find this an odd example to rub in peoples faces.


Another positive presence on this site..Fine, Foster plays and we then REMOVE Blue's 78 yards..Under ANY circumstances, this team wasn't losing to Houston today
RE: This was also without Arian Foster and without a real QB  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2014 5:27 pm : link
In comment 11874499 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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This was the worst team in the NFL last season.

I'm not trying to shit on the defense, I just find this an odd example to rub in peoples faces.


Am I allowed to cite that we didn't have our best LB and were without 2 of our 3 starting LB's and didn't have our Nickel CB?
I don't like fewell, at all  
Great White Ghost : 9/21/2014 5:27 pm : link
But give a man his due.His defense played exceptionally well until the game was decided and then he went back to prevent defense that drives me batshit.

He was shorthanded personell wise, and did a good job to come up with an effective gameplan with his available means.Showed some talent today.
It was impressive, can't be denied, he called a good game, and prepared well.
I'm not here to be a positive presence  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:27 pm : link
I'm here to talk football in an unbiased manner. If you have a problem with that, you don't have to read my posts.

The OP had no problem listing our defenses injuries, but didn't say anything about probably the most important offensive player being out for the game. Those are facts.

This team was the worst team in the NFL last season and did nothing to improve offensively but add Fitzpatrick and an OG in the draft.
RE: RE: This was also without Arian Foster and without a real QB  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:29 pm : link
In comment 11874517 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 11874499 AnotherGiantsFan said:


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This was the worst team in the NFL last season.

I'm not trying to shit on the defense, I just find this an odd example to rub in peoples faces.



Am I allowed to cite that we didn't have our best LB and were without 2 of our 3 starting LB's and didn't have our Nickel CB?


You are, and you did. That was my response to what I read in the OP.
RE: I'm not here to be a positive presence  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:30 pm : link
In comment 11874522 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I'm here to talk football in an unbiased manner. If you have a problem with that, you don't have to read my posts.

The OP had no problem listing our defenses injuries, but didn't say anything about probably the most important offensive player being out for the game. Those are facts.

This team was the worst team in the NFL last season and did nothing to improve offensively but add Fitzpatrick and an OG in the draft.


You're correct..You're just consistently negative under the guise of being "objective." A favorite retort here..
Then Mr here to talk football  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:31 pm : link
why were the Texans favored on the road if they were what you made them out to be?
I won't deny that I've been negative  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:33 pm : link
But that's just how I feel about the team this year. This team has been awful for a long stretch, so it seems warranted to be negative. I'm not usually negative. I just think this team is severely lacking in talent, and beating the reigning worst team in the NFL hasn't convinced me to do a 180.

I'm glad the offense looked capable. But I'd like a little more than winning one game.
Listen...  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2014 5:33 pm : link
I'm not here to say we have the best defense in football. We don't.

It's just that after hearing multiple posters calling for Fewells head after a game that we didn't lose because of the defense, it got a bit silly. The defense on this team should be slightly above average this year. If the offensive improvements are legit and they can put up points we are not an awful football team.
RE: Then Mr here to talk football  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:34 pm : link
In comment 11874532 Headhunter said:
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why were the Texans favored on the road if they were what you made them out to be?


Because the Giants were an embarrassment the past 2 weeks. We lost to Drew Stanton.
Why were the Texans favored?  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:34 pm : link
simple question
but they were favored?  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:35 pm : link
so that negates most of what you wrote
Fewell is on the bottom of the list  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:36 pm : link
Of reasons why this team won't be good if that happens to be the case. I wouldn't blame any coach, barring Quinn, as a reason for this team sucking.
RE: I won't deny that I've been negative  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:37 pm : link
In comment 11874537 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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But that's just how I feel about the team this year. This team has been awful for a long stretch, so it seems warranted to be negative. I'm not usually negative. I just think this team is severely lacking in talent, and beating the reigning worst team in the NFL hasn't convinced me to do a 180.

I'm glad the offense looked capable. But I'd like a little more than winning one game.


Agreed. 1 game means little save for the emotional factor involved..The OL is beginning to do some things well as I believed they would. It just takes time unfortunately. My hope was that we wouldn't fall TOO FAR behind in the division before the O got in sync..Not sure with 3 days rest for our next game, we'll be able to definitively judge either..
So you've got nothing  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:37 pm : link
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the D  
Les in TO : 9/21/2014 5:38 pm : link
line and secondary were impressive; not perfect, they missed some sacks and got hit for some big plays, but on the whole they came to play. mclain seemed to be all over the place too. hopefully moore gets some more reps and evolves his game.
Not  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2014 5:38 pm : link
at all....they played great in the first half. Gave up 350 yards and 16 first downs in 2nd half.
RE: Why were the Texans favored?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:38 pm : link
In comment 11874540 Headhunter said:
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simple question


I just answered your question. The Giants have been really bad the past 2 weeks. It's not that Vegas loves the Texans, it's that the Giants have looked so awful that they had to give the Texans the favorite.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2014 5:38 pm : link
328 yards
RE: Listen...  
chris r : 9/21/2014 5:38 pm : link
In comment 11874538 arcarsenal said:
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I'm not here to say we have the best defense in football. We don't.

It's just that after hearing multiple posters calling for Fewells head after a game that we didn't lose because of the defense, it got a bit silly. The defense on this team should be slightly above average this year. If the offensive improvements are legit and they can put up points we are not an awful football team.


We also played well last year against terrible QBs and myself and others still thought Fewell was mediocre. I want to see us put up a few good efforts vs good offenses before I subject myself to public shaming for not thinking Fewell is a good DC. Although he's been here long enough to kind of know what he is.
RE: Not  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:40 pm : link
In comment 11874550 Eric from BBI said:
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at all....they played great in the first half. Gave up 350 yards and 16 first downs in 2nd half.


This is why stats, which will be factored in the entire output, sucks more than they don't..We held them to 83 yards in the first half..Most of their stats accumulated in the second half were garbage stts that only look good in the final totals, but mean squat
I'm not saying the played good defense  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:41 pm : link
but when some tries to cheapen a victory over a team that was favored, in other words a mild upset, there was a belief that the Texans would win with Fitzpatrick at QB and Blue at RB
RE: RE: Not  
chris r : 9/21/2014 5:42 pm : link
In comment 11874556 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11874550 Eric from BBI said:


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at all....they played great in the first half. Gave up 350 yards and 16 first downs in 2nd half.



This is why stats, which will be factored in the entire output, sucks more than they don't..We held them to 83 yards in the first half..Most of their stats accumulated in the second half were garbage stts that only look good in the final totals, but mean squat


Did I miss where the Giants had an insurmountable lead entering the second half? The Texans made the game competitive briefly in the third quarter by moving the ball with ease against the Giants defense that was not in prevent.
RE: I'm not saying the played good defense  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:44 pm : link
In comment 11874557 Headhunter said:
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but when some tries to cheapen a victory over a team that was favored, in other words a mild upset, there was a belief that the Texans would win with Fitzpatrick at QB and Blue at RB


The favor was because the Texans D has been red hot. The offense has been mediocre, and its missing Arian Foster. I don't think Texans stay the favorite without Foster.

But that's why I'm encouraged with the offense. We handled a defense that has been hot, even though it was missing Clowney, which is monumental. But it still had Watt, Cushing, and company.

I'm not cheapening the win, I'm cheapening the defensive impact. Which is the basis of this thread. Defense.
RE: Not  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2014 5:45 pm : link
In comment 11874550 Eric from BBI said:
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at all....they played great in the first half. Gave up 350 yards and 16 first downs in 2nd half.


This is what I mean.

The stats look good last week but it's "they gave up too many third downs and couldn't get off the field". This week, it's "well they gave up a lot of yards in the 2nd half"

There's basically no way for this defense to be good enough around here. No matter what, something isn't perfect.
And I'm not saying the Giants defense played badly  
chris r : 9/21/2014 5:45 pm : link
just that this game isn't justification for a callout thread of Fewell doubters.
So they beat  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 5:46 pm : link
a team that was red hot and yet you bring up what they were last year
RE:  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:47 pm : link
In comment 11874547 Big Blue '56 said:
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Agreed. 1 game means little save for the emotional factor involved..The OL is beginning to do some things well as I believed they would. It just takes time unfortunately. My hope was that we wouldn't fall TOO FAR behind in the division before the O got in sync..Not sure with 3 days rest for our next game, we'll be able to definitively judge either..


Can't stand Thursday night games because of reasons like this. This game is huge, and something as stupid as the date of the game can alter everything.
RE: RE: RE: Not  
Big Blue '56 : 9/21/2014 5:48 pm : link
In comment 11874558 chris r said:
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In comment 11874556 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 11874550 Eric from BBI said:


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at all....they played great in the first half. Gave up 350 yards and 16 first downs in 2nd half.



This is why stats, which will be factored in the entire output, sucks more than they don't..We held them to 83 yards in the first half..Most of their stats accumulated in the second half were garbage stts that only look good in the final totals, but mean squat



Did I miss where the Giants had an insurmountable lead entering the second half? The Texans made the game competitive briefly in the third quarter by moving the ball with ease against the Giants defense that was not in prevent.


You miss a lot..Your knowledge of the game could fit into a thimble..You're really quite stupid, football-wise
They gave up 17 points.  
That Said : 9/21/2014 5:48 pm : link
Yeah, the defense was ok for me today.
RE: So they beat  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/21/2014 5:48 pm : link
In comment 11874564 Headhunter said:
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a team that was red hot and yet you bring up what they were last year


This thread is about defense, in case you were unaware. The team wasn't red hot, Texans D was red hot. What don't you get?

The team did nothing to improve offensively except add Fitzpatrick, and for this game, lose Arian Foster.
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