We forced 3 turnovers. How many 3rd downs did they convert? On my watch they had 0 until late in the game when it was already decided. How'd they do on the 4th down they attempted?
This was without Thurmond. Without Beason. No Kennard.
Fire Fewell.
Oh. And by the way. Eli Manning can still play ball.
I judge games based on the "Heat-O-Meter"...and there were only 1-2 plays in this game where I was livid. 1 was the JJ Watt sack right away and number two was the Hopkins or whoever touchdown where Stevie Brown screwed up royally.
Am I the only one that knows that Fitzpatrick has some mobility to him? Sure he's not 2006 Michael Vick reincarnated but man...was he does have some legs to him.
If you want shit defense just look at the Philadelphia Eagles/Washington Redskins game. Terrible performance on the defensive side of the ball, on both teams. We have nothing to worry about. We're 1-2 and we could go into this Friday morning being 2-2 and being 1-0 in the division. Philly doesn't scare me. Foles got ROCKED today. They lost their center and McCoy fumbled. If not for stupid play calling and Kirk Cousins throwing the ball behind the receiver like an idiot, Philly would've lost that game. So to compare the Giants to both of those teams, and Dallas secondary got beat up all game, we played the best game on defense in the division.
the yardage in garbage time was meaningless. Overall they played OK with a sense of unease what they allowed in the 3rd quarter
They played well in first half...shutout....love that.
But they gave up 17 points and three 40 plus yard plays in the second half.
The game got far too tight.
Not a complete effort.
Don't get me wrong. Much, much better today...but the defense wasn't "great" to me.
They did what they needed. They got off the field on third downs, they forced turnovers. Was it perfect? No. Did we need perfect? No. They got it done when they had to. We don't have Seattles defense or Carolinas. We can't hold this one to the same standard.
Good day on defense. i give them a B+. A B+ is better than a D and an F which I give to the Eagles, Redskins, and Cowboys, per se.
Finally they caused turnovers. I like the pressure they got, but damn pathetic bunch when pursuing the QB in the pocket. Another damn Qb avoiding defenders and instead of throwing to make plays, he just took off, time and time again.
It's frustrating to see this game after game.
But we gave up over 300 yards, 16 first downs, 17 points in second half.
This is a typical BBI thing. We lose, everything sucks. We win, everything is great.
This is a typical BBI thing. We lose, everything sucks. We win, everything is great.
This should be quoted on the top of the corner forum.
The startling thing is that we can't seem to pursue QBs when we have them dead in our sights. Our guys keep missing, and that leads to great passing plays OR the qb just keeps it and runs like Fitz did today.
We did that for the most part.
With the lead, we gave up some yardage on passes over the middle, but ended up getting two turnovers.
That is good defense.
We did that for the most part.
With the lead, we gave up some yardage on passes over the middle, but ended up getting two turnovers.
That is good defense.
That's all we're trying to say, coach
But we gave up over 300 yards, 16 first downs, 17 points in second half.
This is a typical BBI thing. We lose, everything sucks. We win, everything is great.
Not at all.. I am not claiming the defense was "great".. but all week I said I didn't think the D was terrible against ARZ and the counter arguments were "we couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs" and "we haven't forced any turnovers"
Ok, well.. today, we got off the field on every single one of their first 10 or so 3rd downs, many of which came early in the game after a terrible turnover inside their 10 and a botched FG. Those stops were crucial. We could not afford to fall behind after leaving points on the board like that.. it would have been demoralizing.
You can.. never said that wasn't ok. All I will say is that I think they've been better every week. Which is what you want to see. I thought they struggled against Detroit and were not nearly good enough in Week 1.. I thought they were better at getting to the QB in Week 2 and did a pretty good job overall but due to circumstances beyond their control (PR TD, turnovers.. especially a KR turnover), they wound up looking worse than they were.
Today, I thought they did a really good job of keeping us above water until the O capitalized and punched it in a couple times. They forced 3 turnovers, they kept Houston off the board, they didn't allow them to stay on the field long or really improve their field position.
Yes, they gave up yardage later in the game.. notably on crosses over the middle... but at that point, I think they're just trying to keep Houston from getting any quick points. It's hard to keep teams quiet all game.
By the way.. the Drew Stanton led Cardinals beat the 49ers. And the 49er defense gave up more points to that same offense than we did.
Those yards were not "garbage yards." The Texans moved the ball well throughout the second half and cut the lead to 1 touchdown in the 3rd. I agree with AnotherGiantsFan that arc really used a strange day to call out Perry Fewell's critics. The defense played well today but this was not a remarkable performance.
That being said, I was pleased with their game. They got the job done and tightened up nicely when the Texans were threatening to make it a game again. Additionally, they continued to bail out the offense and special teams early on, keeping us in the game and in a position to play with the lead (which in turn, allowed us to stick with a very successful running game).
I'm not sure why so many of you are trying to draw conclusions about the inconsistent, but sometimes successful defense of a 1-2 football team following an above average, though certainly not spectacular performance. The story today is the offensive line and the running game. The defense gave me reason for confidence but not assuredness.
Those yards were not "garbage yards." The Texans moved the ball well throughout the second half and cut the lead to 1 touchdown in the 3rd. I agree with AnotherGiantsFan that arc really used a strange day to call out Perry Fewell's critics. The defense played well today but this was not a remarkable performance.
That being said, I was pleased with their game. They got the job done and tightened up nicely when the Texans were threatening to make it a game again. Additionally, they continued to bail out the offense and special teams early on, keeping us in the game and in a position to play with the lead (which in turn, allowed us to stick with a very successful running game).
I'm not sure why so many of you are trying to draw conclusions about the inconsistent, but sometimes successful defense of a 1-2 football team following an above average, though certainly not spectacular performance. The story today is the offensive line and the running game. The defense gave me reason for confidence but not assuredness.
We gave up 10 points until a few minutes to go in the game..The 4th qtr yardage was of the garbage variety, imo.Tomorrow, I'll watch the coaches tape on NFL Rewind and get a second and closer look at our D..
Yes they can be and will
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I didn't like what the D did last week and I really like what they did this week. Why can't I hold both those opinions?
You can.. never said that wasn't ok. All I will say is that I think they've been better every week. Which is what you want to see. I thought they struggled against Detroit and were not nearly good enough in Week 1.. I thought they were better at getting to the QB in Week 2 and did a pretty good job overall but due to circumstances beyond their control (PR TD, turnovers.. especially a KR turnover), they wound up looking worse than they were.
Today, I thought they did a really good job of keeping us above water until the O capitalized and punched it in a couple times. They forced 3 turnovers, they kept Houston off the board, they didn't allow them to stay on the field long or really improve their field position.
Yes, they gave up yardage later in the game.. notably on crosses over the middle... but at that point, I think they're just trying to keep Houston from getting any quick points. It's hard to keep teams quiet all game.
By the way.. the Drew Stanton led Cardinals beat the 49ers. And the 49er defense gave up more points to that same offense than we did.
I would agree with that.
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The only reason people are discounting the second half poor play of the defense is because of the win. The defense played a phenomenal first half and a typical fewell defense in the second half. The explosive plays in the second half can never be discarded as "garbage yards".
Yes they can be and will
By whom? You think game grades and self scouting will be based on the first half only?
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The only reason people are discounting the second half poor play of the defense is because of the win. The defense played a phenomenal first half and a typical fewell defense in the second half. The explosive plays in the second half can never be discarded as "garbage yards".
Yes they can be and will
Explosive plays in garbage time would still be a problem and should be. They didn't play a full game
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The only reason people are discounting the second half poor play of the defense is because of the win. The defense played a phenomenal first half and a typical fewell defense in the second half. The explosive plays in the second half can never be discarded as "garbage yards".
Yes they can be and will
Explosive plays in garbage time would still be a problem and should be. They didn't play a full game
Who does in today's NFL, save for possibly Seattle?
Those yards were not "garbage yards." The Texans moved the ball well throughout the second half and cut the lead to 1 touchdown in the 3rd. I agree with AnotherGiantsFan that arc really used a strange day to call out Perry Fewell's critics. The defense played well today but this was not a remarkable performance.
That being said, I was pleased with their game. They got the job done and tightened up nicely when the Texans were threatening to make it a game again. Additionally, they continued to bail out the offense and special teams early on, keeping us in the game and in a position to play with the lead (which in turn, allowed us to stick with a very successful running game).
I'm not sure why so many of you are trying to draw conclusions about the inconsistent, but sometimes successful defense of a 1-2 football team following an above average, though certainly not spectacular performance. The story today is the offensive line and the running game. The defense gave me reason for confidence but not assuredness.
So you were telling all the people who said this past week that it was the "same old shit all these years" and to fire the DC that it was just a couple games and to stop drawing conclusions from a couple games?
That's kind of all my point is here. There are a lot of games left. Not once did I say the defense was elite or spectacular or awesome. I just know that most of the complaints this past week were centered around them not being able to get off the field on 3rd downs and not having forced any turnovers. Well, they did quite well in both those regards this week.
For the last time, when you're up 30-10 with a few minutes to go, the other team is in garbage mode
So we had two non-productive(lousy if you will) defensive performances on drives against us when they were down 17-0..That is pretty damn good..
Right before the snap on the play where LD fumbled inside our 10, I said to my friend "just please don't turn it over".. and there it was. I almost lost it then and there.
Thankfully that was the only one.
But really, turnovers are such a huge deal in football. Win the T/O battle and you've always got a good chance to win. As long as we can stop giving it away, we'll be in most games.
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The combo of not turning the ball over and forcing a few turnovers ourselves was a welcome site, that's for sure.
Right before the snap on the play where LD fumbled inside our 10, I said to my friend "just please don't turn it over".. and there it was. I almost lost it then and there.
Thankfully that was the only one.
But really, turnovers are such a huge deal in football. Win the T/O battle and you've always got a good chance to win. As long as we can stop giving it away, we'll be in most games.
Oh man, completely forgot about that actually. I was at the game, just got home because I had to go somewhere else afterwards, so it's been a long day. But hey, 1 TO is better than what we've been used to recently.
Hah, well if you mean me by your last sentence.. fair enough. But I've never called our defense amazing or gone crazy in overrating them. I've just been super frustrated by the offense and special teams over the last year and a half or so to the point where I felt like it was impossible to win football games giving the ball away, not scoring points and making so many mistakes the way we were.
Lost in all this is that Eli these last 2 games has been really, really encouraging. To me, it's the best he's looked in some time. And the OL has really done a much better job than I expected. Maybe that unit isn't quite as bad as we thought. We'll see.
But we gave up over 300 yards, 16 first downs, 17 points in second half.
This is a typical BBI thing. We lose, everything sucks. We win, everything is great.
you can give up not 3, not 4, not 4, but 6 turnovers and win.I've seen this team do that. I've seen this team give up 7 sacks and win.pass for less than 160 yds and win. Rush for less than 50 and win.
You can pick your whatever, say you can't do it, and the fact is you can, and win anyway. As long as you find a way to win, that's all that matters, and that's what good teams do, win games they play like shit in, win games they have no business winning.
Like I said, I Don't like Fewell, at all. I also give the man his due. he came out with a good gameplan, used his assets and his defense held while we were bumbling in the first half. I also said, in the game thread the crisis of the game was early in the second half, and that after they went for it on 4th down and didn't make it they were done, over, their back was broken.I said they would make it interesting anyway but it fon't matter. Texans had 23 yds passing in the first half. we weren't gonna keeep fitx and co quiet all day. that we didnb't doesn't really matter, because they were toast after they failed on 4th down. The giants had imposed their will ont hem in every facet of the game, and they didn't need to kill themselves to put up good numbers after that. they took thier win and went home. That's how I saw it and said so at the time.
We played the pants off Arizona but lost; the world was ending.Meanwhile an astute eye could see that Manning had the offense down, and was just a matter of time before the rest of the team did.
In the end, your right, we win everything is fine, we lose and this place goes batshit.Fact is the Ws and Loses are all that really matter.
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