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Connor's Studs and Duds Article - Giants 30 - Texans 17

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2014 7:18 pm
FYI.
Studs and Duds: New York Giants 30 – Houston Texans 17 - ( New Window )
Nice write up..  
rocco8112 : 9/21/2014 7:28 pm : link
Giants kicked ass today, with a clean game could have dropped 40 plus on them.

Team is already better than last year, granted that is not saying much.

I do not watch as much non Giants NFL as I used to, but it does seem like the Giants have a lot of blown coverages in the secondary leading to big plays.

Big win today, it was fun to watch.
Here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2014 7:32 pm : link
is Connor's game story too...good write-up...
Studs and Duds: New York Giants 30 – Houston Texans 17 - ( New Window )
Good  
AcidTest : 9/21/2014 7:33 pm : link
write up. Thanks.
No wonder that snap was bad  
ChathamMark : 9/21/2014 7:34 pm : link
it was Zak's Dad, Steve! (only kidding folks...) Nice write-up, as always.
I'd add Hankins to the studs  
oipolloi : 9/21/2014 7:37 pm : link
His penetration caused a lot of problems for houston. Great game by #95
How DaMonster  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 7:41 pm : link
wjo made a game changing play doesn't get a stud when O'Donnell and Deossie both gets duds for 1 play seems inconsistent
On the Johnson TD  
mfsd : 9/21/2014 8:07 pm : link
IMO it wasn't miscommunication, it was Brown biting on the run fake and not being fast enough to recover
RE: On the Johnson TD  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/21/2014 8:27 pm : link
In comment 11874913 mfsd said:
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IMO it wasn't miscommunication, it was Brown biting on the run fake and not being fast enough to recover


I thought the same thing. Brown was fixed the defensive right side way too long. When he he glanced back you could see the oh shit reaction. IMHO
Does the botched snap on the FG sttempt  
Headhunter : 9/21/2014 8:33 pm : link
count as a Josh Brown miss statistically ?
Told you so..  
BBurns : 9/21/2014 8:38 pm : link
What Arc Said
BBurns : 9/15/2014 8:03 pm : link : reply
We get our first win next week book it .
There were a couple of third down calls head scratchers
But Eli Looks Better now than the last couple of years .
Randle still seems to lack fire almost like he goes
through the motions .
o-line made some real progress still wish we had
Will Hill .
minor complaint  
3putt : 9/21/2014 8:56 pm : link
I know it makes a nice "trouble-stirring" story, but Cruz did not complain about not getting the ball enough. He took ownership of his responsibility to the team.

""I think in order for us to be successful, there needs to be an increased number of targets in my direction," Cruz said, via the New York Daily News. "And in other playmakers' directions. Just like Rueben Randle as well, in my opinion. But that all comes with the continuity, that comes with getting the running game going, that comes with building what we want to build as the game continues."
good job  
halfback20 : 9/21/2014 9:03 pm : link
One thing...maybe I'm reading it wrong because I am tired but under the Duds,.Donnell sectionit appears you wrote cardinals instead of Texans. Again im exhausted so I might be completely off lol
Larry Donnell was NOT a dud.  
manh george : 9/21/2014 9:05 pm : link
For a UDFA who had never caught a pass or made a block in a live game before this year, he has been close to a revelation.
Speed, size grace, hands and athleticism, and he fell on the on-side kick very nicely.

UDFA's who never played before in an actual live game will make mistakes, and we will live with them. He made some nice blocks, and he gives the Giants a TE other teams have to account for. We weren't supposed to have any of those.
Andre Williams  
Lowell.. : 9/21/2014 9:13 pm : link
is absolutely awful. So bad that with two minutes left, with the ball at midfield and a 13 point lead, they still had Jennings taking hits even though he already had over 30 carries. Williams can't catch, can't block, has no vision and goes down like he was 130 instead of 230.

Markus Kuhn is another dud. Bromley can move the pocket. The only thing Kuhn can do is speak German.
McClain  
mako J : 9/21/2014 9:18 pm : link
Was a stud today. How is he not mentioned?
RE: Andre Williams  
giantgiantfan : 9/21/2014 9:25 pm : link
In comment 11875104 Lowell.. said:
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is absolutely awful. So bad that with two minutes left, with the ball at midfield and a 13 point lead, they still had Jennings taking hits even though he already had over 30 carries. Williams can't catch, can't block, has no vision and goes down like he was 130 instead of 230.

Markus Kuhn is another dud. Bromley can move the pocket. The only thing Kuhn can do is speak German.


I disagree. Though Williams hasn't been great I think the Giants left Jennings in there simply because they trust him more (he's the veteran) and they absolutely had to win this game. There is no room for error going into week 3 with zero wins. You ride your bell cow to victory and thats what they did. Jennings being in there is no indictment of Williams.
Williams isn't running with the confidence he had in preseason  
Jupiter : 9/21/2014 9:25 pm : link
Game speed is faster than preseason. He will get used to that. Bad hands are bad hands; he will learn to be a mediocre receiver and that may be good enough.
I have been critical of Eli lately  
Rudy57 : 9/21/2014 10:20 pm : link
This is the best he has looked in a long time. The whole offense looked much better today. The defense was very good as well. It was nice to see that we actually can compete, I havent seen this team play this well in at least 2 years. It looked like it was going to be more of the keystone kops with the fumble and botched snap but they kept it together and played well.

I dont think Donnell was a dud here, yes he had a fumble but the guy has looked better that any TE we have had in years. DaMontre Moore had the blocked punt, that is all stud right there. Robert Ayers may be our best FA addition. From the DT spot he has been dominant in every game, maybe he is not a star but a good solid player and a pleasant surprise for me.

Another Dud for me is Jaquan Williams for the 3rd straight game. He continually misses tackles and turns what would have been a good play into a negative. Should have had a big sack but again gets faked out of his shoes and then on the long run he was eaten up by a blocker. He needs to learn how to break down for the tackle and play under control. Until then he is a liability. Stevie Brown is another Dud for me, maybe he is still recovering from the knee but he really looks bad out there.
Donnell  
Percy : 9/21/2014 10:20 pm : link
Maybe not a dud, but not so hot either. The fumble, while explainable (the tackle was right on, upward on the ball-carrying arm, popping the ball out), just isn't supposed to happen. On another reception that ought to have gone for more, he exhibited a strange side-to-side kind of stutter step that did nothing to fool or evade the onrushing tackler -- but did all but stop his forward progress. Still, 6 receptions for 45 yards wasn't that bad.
You are right, fumbles like that aren't supposed to happen.  
manh george : 9/21/2014 10:29 pm : link
Especially to players with 6-12X as much game experience as Donnell has right now.
RE: I have been critical of Eli lately  
Arcanum : 9/21/2014 10:35 pm : link
In comment 11875202 Rudy57 said:
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This is the best he has looked in a long time. The whole offense looked much better today. The defense was very good as well. It was nice to see that we actually can compete, I havent seen this team play this well in at least 2 years. It looked like it was going to be more of the keystone kops with the fumble and botched snap but they kept it together and played well.

I dont think Donnell was a dud here, yes he had a fumble but the guy has looked better that any TE we have had in years. DaMontre Moore had the blocked punt, that is all stud right there. Robert Ayers may be our best FA addition. From the DT spot he has been dominant in every game, maybe he is not a star but a good solid player and a pleasant surprise for me.

Another Dud for me is Jaquan Williams for the 3rd straight game. He continually misses tackles and turns what would have been a good play into a negative. Should have had a big sack but again gets faked out of his shoes and then on the long run he was eaten up by a blocker. He needs to learn how to break down for the tackle and play under control. Until then he is a liability. Stevie Brown is another Dud for me, maybe he is still recovering from the knee but he really looks bad out there.


Shit, this was the most time, Eli had in the pocket, in a long time.
Manh George: Donnell  
Percy : 9/21/2014 10:44 pm : link
Actually, thinking about (but not be able to review) the fumble again, the tackle was so right on the ball-carrying arm, I doubt anyone could have held on to the ball, no matter how experienced. So my "not supposed to happen" was unwarranted.
Dunno  
manh george : 9/21/2014 10:50 pm : link
Maybe a more experienced player turns away before the hit.

Even on the off chance that this is the case, the Giants staff gets a gold star here. There is a reason they didn't go after a journeyman TE. They KNEW he had talent and a willingness to learn, coming off last year's practice squad. More upside than any TE since Shockey, without the neurosis.
Umenyiora 72's Pic of the Hit on Donnell  
Percy : 9/21/2014 11:18 pm : link
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127841030@N02/15129338327/in/photostream/ .
How the hell is Donnell a DUD  
AgentZero : 9/21/2014 11:36 pm : link
That hit was perfect and on the ball, he had it tucked, it just unfortunately was the right spot at right time. I can however count many times Donnell came up with big catch to move the chains. If we are calling out players for one bad play, then home come DRC and Rolle aren't in the Stud category?

Donnell as been one of the biggest bright spots to this offense so far this year.
Reese is off the hook for wasting a draft pick  
SHO'NUFF : 9/22/2014 3:40 am : link
on JPP of TEs...Donnell as a UFDA cancels that out.
Fumbles...  
rocco8112 : 9/22/2014 6:35 am : link
..just can not happen. Was it only one play? Sure. But, in a game that the Giants flat out dominated it was probably hard to find duds. Donnell has looked good but you simply can not fumble the ball. Luckily it is a team game and the Giants as a team picked him up and he had some nice grabs (a one handed one I think) to contribute after his fumble.

It makes sense to select those who committed the few, but costly, errors that even kept this game remotely competitive.

Best thing about yesterday was that the Giants rolled the Texans. They may have been the worst team record wise last year, but this year they were 2 - 0 and the Giants kicked their ass.

To me this shows the Giants are already better than last year with time to improve even more.
Duds  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2014 8:10 am : link
- Even with helmet on the ball, Donnell has to know when/where contact is coming from (not sure he had 2 hands on ball). He also needs to stay on his feet more and stop leaping around. More fumbles likely coming with him.

- Nice to see Cruz show up after bad last week, but getting caught from behind so easily? Come on man...turn it on.

- Prince had the nice pick but was beaten a bunch of times, and one time was bailed out with a penalty.

- D-line and LBs not punishing a scrambling QB...is Fitz the second coming of Randall Cunningham?

- D Moore's punt blocks are the ONLY thing special on this Special Teams for the past 2 years.

Studs  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2014 8:15 am : link
- The running game. Very impressive showing all around, particularly the interior.

- Eli was very very good. The pass to TE Fells in end zone was perfect.

- JPP was a handful for them, even with Fitz getting away too often.

Gentlemen - those three above "studs" are really the way we have to win.
Donnell had the ball  
NNJ Tom : 9/22/2014 10:10 am : link
in the wrong arm. It is a point that pee-wee's are coached on.

The coaches must have said something to him, because he didn't do it the rest of the game.
there's way too much obsession with fumbles  
eclipz928 : 9/22/2014 10:42 am : link
with some people here in regards to placing blame on the player. Sometimes they just happen, and it has nothing to do with technique or awareness.

In this case Donnell had caught the ball, turned up field and was immediately hit by the defender. There was no time there to check for every defender that was nearby him, moving the ball to his outside arm would have been dangerous and, most importantly, the defender put his helmet right on the ball.

It was a good defensive play, plain and simple.
Good write up,  
oldog : 9/22/2014 10:47 am : link
sounds like a real Giant fan piece. Agree on the deep coverage point, just shows how smart we were to drop Will Hill. Don't agree at all on Donnell. Sometimes the other guys make good plays, and the DB simply put his helmet on the ball with unusual force. Last week, without any real cause, Jennings dropped the ball. In this game such things happen. The test for Donnell is whether he learns from this and brings it all back like Jennings did this week. And Cruz, too, less lucky and successful can lead to more trouble, but if the individual responds well, they prosper. The O-Line too. After two real workouts against Det and Ariz, they seem to have felt they were back on a level playing field and not trying to climb a mountain. They were ready to roll. Looks good going forward, at least we`ll get a break from all the BBI, the O-Line is no good, stuff.
McClain was awesome  
Fish : 9/22/2014 11:33 am : link
Lots of energy. Shows tons of heart. We need that.
Add me to the Donnel is not a dud camp  
nicky43 : 9/22/2014 1:17 pm : link
Same with Zac. Everybody is entitled to a few mistakes without being called a dud when the majority of their play has been very good as in the case for both Zac and Donnel.
Lucky to have Donnell  
jLefty : 9/22/2014 1:29 pm : link
No Dud. We were supposed to have nnobody at TE. Suddenly there's this six-six guy who catches everything and leads the team in receptions and while his fumble was unfortunate , the guy is certainly one of the best things that has happened to the Giants.
geez,  
oldog : 9/22/2014 5:53 pm : link
and Headhunter is right, how can Damonster not be a STUD.
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