Thrilled for Eli...great game...but he got damn lucky on one

is teflon....no doubt about it....

In comment 11875081 Gman11 said:

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that happen every game. They happen on both sides. If Donnell doesn't fumble at the 3 the Giants would have been up 24-10. If they don't botch the FG then they would have been up 27-10. It goes both ways.

Yup you can cherry pick every game and find these moments.

Let's just enjoy the win.

tips and miscommunications that eventually that luck has to swing in the other direction. I chalk it up to that. Worse decision was the bomb to Randle in double-coverage.

the genius offensive coordinator doesn't call a pass on 3rd and 2 when the Giants are running it down Houston's throat they might go up 24-3 and end it. But the boy genius does not and Houston scores in a minute and its a game.

But hey - lesson learned, right?

No - Giants continue to run it down Houston's throat on the way to 24-10 but after ripping off two runs to make it 3rd and 2 again, throw another incompletion and keep Houston in it.

I do not care if everyone on earth knows what is coming, when Houston cannot stop a Pop Warner team and you need 2 yards to close it out early in the 3rd you run it. And when you stupidly don't the first time, you have the brains to do it the second time.

I don't have a problem with Eli taking shots down the field to Randle (Randle has out-jumped people on the posts).

But there the Giants need to make it a 2 score game again. Re-watch the play...it should have been picked off. Great day by Eli. Very proud of him. But thank God that ball was tipped.

I'd say thank god the ball is tipped when it comes to Eli. It would seem almost ALL tipped passes, off hands, shoulder pads, heels of feet, all get intercepted. Add that to stupid decisions, miscommunications and you get Eli Manning.

As soon as the ball went up, I put my head down. Another Damn int. I was shocked to see the ball hit the ground. Normally that shit doesn't happen. Normally it's, " And Eli Manning with another game with an interception."

I'm not gonna feel guilty when an Eli tipped ball doesn't get picked for the first time in ten years.....

people are so defensive when someone points out a bad play by Eli. Why can't people accept some bad with their good?

for TD not to Randle.

The difference is they usually helplessly fall to the ground. We've had a run of bad bounces where ours fly to defenders. I'll take it.

In comment 11875081 Gman11 said:

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that happen every game. They happen on both sides. If Donnell doesn't fumble at the 3 the Giants would have been up 24-10. If they don't botch the FG then they would have been up 27-10. It goes both ways.

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In comment 11875142 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't have a problem with Eli taking shots down the field to Randle (Randle has out-jumped people on the posts). But there the Giants need to make it a 2 score game again. Re-watch the play...it should have been picked off. Great day by Eli. Very proud of him. But thank God that ball was tipped.

They just need to win, Eric, that's all. it doesn't matter a damn if they win every game by one point and get statistically dominated. They just need to win.they don't NEED 2 score leads.That's what YOU need. Not them.You post like a man with PTSD, after last year, who could blame you.

Read between the lines folks. Eric is displaying guarded optimism. If you've been around long enough you know this means he likes what he sees but he's not ready to commit yet.

he's luckier that tipped ball didn't get intercepted. That ball hung up there for a long time.

His initial decision did not look good, but always tough to tell in slow motion.

Eli has thrown the ball very, very well the last two weeks. He's throwing as well as he did in the playoffs leading to the two Super Bowls. I had my doubts as to whether he was a consistent enough passer to be hitting the multiple passes in a row necessary for this scheme. So far, so good.

I am just hoping he keeps it going.

It SHOULD'VE been 24-0 at halftime (not 14-0) ... so yes ... it goes BOTH WAYS!!!

AND YET, MCADOO DOES NOTHING!!! FIRE HIM NOW!!

Stop being such a buzzkill.

From where I was sitting but I thought Banks said on the radio that RR made a play to break up the INT.

kill !!!! ;)

we shouldn't trade Eli, save the $20M, get a new QB or Nassib and move in a new direction in 2015?

Some posters need to be tarred and feathered. Really.

I thought Cruz was going to get stripped on his TD.

lets enjoy the fact that Eli seems to be back. Two weeks now he has thrown with confidence and accuracy. Seems much more comfortable with the offense. Jennings is a very solid signing. We have at least one TE. The defense played like they were NY Giants. Don't know where this is going but it sure was fun to watch again.

That is not a pass Eli should throw. Take the FG and go up by ten. Eli has been great two weeks in a row, showing what he can do in an uptempo offense.

But Eli has thrown a lot of INTs near the goaline. So I don't think Eric is wrong to point this one out

I would argue that Eli is more unlucky with tip balls than lucky, especially if you look at the league average. defenders seem to make incredible plays to intercept tip balls from him.

Yeah, he got lucky. He's entitled to some luck.

Eli played great, but I've noticed that he's 'floating' balls a bit on occasion. I first noticed it on an interception in the Detroit game (I think Cruz was the intended receiver), but he was rolling to his left so I knew it was a difficult throw. But I noticed it the past two weeks even when he had time. As if he's not following through on the throw.

And it's definitely not an arm strength issue, because on one of the plays (I believe in the second quarter), he subsequently followed it up with a rifle of a pass on the next play.

No harm was done yesterday, but it's a quirk I'd like to see fixed. Maybe it's deliberate. A few times he did it when a receiver was wide open - but it gave the defender time to close the gap and prevent significant YAC.

1or 2 questionable throws a game.Every throw the elite QB's make are great, I see them on the highlights. Wish we had one of those that never make questionable throws

In comment 11875405 BrettNYG10 said:

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Eli played great, but I've noticed that he's 'floating' balls a bit on occasion. I first noticed it on an interception in the Detroit game (I think Cruz was the intended receiver), but he was rolling to his left so I knew it was a difficult throw. But I noticed it the past two weeks even when he had time. As if he's not following through on the throw. And it's definitely not an arm strength issue, because on one of the plays (I believe in the second quarter), he subsequently followed it up with a rifle of a pass on the next play. No harm was done yesterday, but it's a quirk I'd like to see fixed. Maybe it's deliberate. A few times he did it when a receiver was wide open - but it gave the defender time to close the gap and prevent significant YAC.

I trust you, cause of your experience with floating balls

Eli caught, fair enough, but where is your thread on the perfectly thrown pass to Fells? That was an elite throw

Eli threw a pass, the D-line man jumped up to block the passing lane and the ball was hit. That's it, it doesn't have anything to do with being lucky or unlucky. Sometimes its not about our guy sucking.

Eli has a lot more bad luck then good luck on ways like that. He is due for a break every now and then.

In comment 11875434 Don in DC said:

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Eli has a lot more bad luck then good luck on ways like that. He is due for a break every now and then.

The scary thing is how often he puts the ball in a position where he has to depend on luck.

but Eric is correct, awful pass that we were lucky didn't change the momentum of the game. He stared down Randle, and he was covered completely anyway. I am not even sure if he was past the first down marker. At least pump fake somebody open.

One thing I have noticed is the ball isn't getting thrown into the end zone enough, particulary on 3rd downs when the FG is kind of already spoken for in terms of distance.

I don't mind a QB putting it up there for a receiver to make a play, but Randle hasn't really ever shown the ability to beat double teams on jump balls like that. You throw balls like that when you have supreme confidence in your guy. Not sure why he tried to force it there.

that is 7 threads right there than can be put under the microscope and be over analyzed

In comment 11875459 Headhunter said:

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that is 7 threads right there than can be put under the microscope and be over analyzed

Its amazing after completing 75% of his passes, 7 incompletions (with two drops), we have thread after thread with lucky bounces, gun slinging, risk taker....

I have never seen an athlete as scrutinized by his fan base more than Eli.

Every QB in the league has tipped passes and incompletions. No one on this site ever sits here and complains about Peytons misses. He throws a tipped pass and its no big deal.

The guy missed 7 passes, completed 75% of his throws, and threw 2 TDs, yet people bitch.

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I think that was the exact right throw. The Giants were completing that pass all day and Randle had sat right there in the opening like he should. If not tipped it was a completion. Watt made a great play. Eli can't sit there and not throw a ball because some DL guy might put up his hands, how does he know who or when they will?

And if this is what we can expect from the O Line going forward, we may have something very positive to build on.

I was shocked to hear the state the Giants had the longest streak in the NFL until yesterday of scoring less than 28 points per game.

It is one game (plus some positive signs last week)... but it would be nice if this was the norm from this team and not merely the occasional exception.

Eli's passes that got deflected have found the ground less frequently than any other quarterback in the league.

Don't you think he is due for a few lucky bounces.

with Eli yesterday. Looked like the Eli of old. He did get that one potential INT fall to the ground, but its about some time he got some luck go his way.

Eli wasnt throwing to the double covered Randle (replay angle showed it look like he was) He was throwing to a Wide OPEN Donnell behind Randle, who was cutting into the end zone.

The lineman batted the ball because Eli got over excited for the free score and gunned the ball low, instead of simply lofting a free touch pass for 6

In comment 11875590 JoefromPa said:

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Eli's passes that got deflected have found the ground less frequently than any other quarterback in the league. Don't you think he is due for a few lucky bounces.

1 Trillion % agree. I watch 6-7 full games a week, tip passes on Eli literally are picked off at 3x the rate on average of any other deflected qb in the game, its crazy!

Eric's point is that it's crazy how one play, one bounce, one decision can impact the game in such a big way. Eric saying Eli got lucky on the play isn't saying that he wasn't due for some luck. It was just commentary on the nature of football, not Eli Manning.

In comment 11875662 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Eric's point is that it's crazy how one play, one bounce, one decision can impact the game in such a big way. Eric saying Eli got lucky on the play isn't saying that he wasn't due for some luck. It was just commentary on the nature of football, not Eli Manning.

But cant you say the Texans were lucky that fumble bounced right into the arms of one of their defenders inside the 5? Lets face it, we dont know what would have happened on the pass because it never made it a yard past the LOS. To say it was getting picked off is just a guess.

but I have always been perfectly fine with the Eli that makes mistakes while lighting up NFL defenses. We can more than live with aggressive but productive Eli. It's the aggressive but non productive Eli that can be a killer at times.

As long as Eli is putting up the points, the risks and mistakes are more than forgivable--i'd even say it's encouraged...

I should have seen the signs that Eli was turning the corner last week against the Cards but it was hard to not get mad with the results. I am starting to feel really good about Eli again. His passing looks tremendous.

In comment 11875681 dep026 said:

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In comment 11875662 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: Eric's point is that it's crazy how one play, one bounce, one decision can impact the game in such a big way. Eric saying Eli got lucky on the play isn't saying that he wasn't due for some luck. It was just commentary on the nature of football, not Eli Manning. But cant you say the Texans were lucky that fumble bounced right into the arms of one of their defenders inside the 5? Lets face it, we dont know what would have happened on the pass because it never made it a yard past the LOS. To say it was getting picked off is just a guess.

dep, I have no issue with any of that. In fact, I do agree it's a bit presumptuous of Eric to assume the ball would've been picked and I think there have been/will be much better opportunities than that play to articulate that sentiment.

But the way people jumped on him here really showed that they missed the point, even if it wasn't the best opportunity to present it.

I disagree with you on the fumble because fumbles are inherently lucky for whomever gets the bounce... it has to go somewhere, so I don't think the Texans were beneficiaries in this case.