If nothing else, can we put the Eli is physically in decline

wasn't paying attention last year or even the first game this year. The Oline was killing Eli, when the line and running game perform, Eli performs.

But they will slither out on the next interception or loss.

Seeing Eli stick it to everyone yesterday. He's done it the past two weeks. He looks really good. If it keeps trending this way he may have his best season yet. Need the defense to up their play like yesterday.

For me personally, I never thought from a physical standpoint that Eli was declining. Not for a second. However, I was starting to buy into comments from the likes of the Jets' Sheldon Richardson that Eli was sort of shell shocked from the pass rushes he had been facing and was always looking at the rush instead of looking downfield. I had fears that even if we fixed the line that he'd still have some residual "David Carr syndrome" play.

I was way wrong it seems, and I should've had more confidence in the man. He has earned it.

labeled as morons that have been pretty steadfast in that sentiment, this offseason.

You know that..We know there's nothing wrong with Eli that a REASONABLE (not great) OL won't dure

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In comment 11875745 Britt in VA said:

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labeled as morons that have been pretty steadfast in that sentiment, this offseason.

Not morons. Just moronic statements

And it was a legit concern, only partially put to rest by Gilbride stating unequivocally it wasn't Eli's physical skills deteriorating. But inferring of course it was the horrendous play of the OL. Fuck I don't know how Eli survived that playoff game vs the 9ers two years ago...

Let alone last season.

With all his INTs and his dopey expressions and the fact that after a decade in the league its been confirmed he has yet to close that slack jaw?

When he was drafted I was kinda like OK, lets see what happens rather than the knee jerk drama over what we gave up to get him (quite a bit as we all know).

All the venom made me like him more. Dude never gets down after his mistakes. He always gets up after the hits, and no matter how bad a day he's had he can always get you a game winning TD late.

He never stops coming at you.

Eli developing a nice touch on shorter passes.

and he will pick you apart and the longer he gets used to this new offense the more that will show especially if we can run the ball like we did yesterday.

The question of Eli's decline was bogus and only brought about, IMO, by those who do not know football. All of this stuff goes hand in hand.

We will not realize how good Eli is until he retires or possibly injured for a long period of time.

The man studies his ass off, works hard every day and cares...a lot. If Beckham turns out to be anywhere near what we hope, this offense could be very special.

Eli was just one more invalid story line being created by guys who don't really understand the teams they are talking about

What was surprising is how many people here, who watch every game, were part of the Eli must go crowd.

There has been some strong language used on this thread to describe those people, can't say I disagree with the sentiment expressed by those posts.

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Fuck I don't know how Eli survived that playoff game vs the 9ers two years ago... Let alone last season.

that game wasnt pretty, but if you watched you saw what Eli is made out of. That game came down to who can take a beating longer and not phuck up and Eli showed that he's got the guts of a wolverine. He took that beating and outplayed Rogers and Brady straight up.

He will never be the pinpoint fantasy beast that his brother or some of the other guys are but that makes him even more likable to me. Yea... he's a goober, but he's our goober and he just keeps getting back up.

In comment 11875753 BlueLou said:

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And it was a legit concern, only partially put to rest by Gilbride stating unequivocally it wasn't Eli's physical skills deteriorating. But inferring of course it was the horrendous play of the OL. Fuck I don't know how Eli survived that playoff game vs the 9ers two years ago... Let alone last season.

Why was it a "legit concern?" You've seen this OL the last few years..

But Parcells recently said that Eli won him over for life after his beat down against the Niners where he never quit, in spite of the beating he took. That, despite the beating, he got off the canvas and beat the Niners

It was speculated by more than a handful of posters that the Giants should entertain the idea of cutting Eli at the end of the year and auditioning Nassib as the answer at the QB position going forward. Nevermind that the odds of the Mara family abandoning Eli have got to be miniscule but it would almost be justice for those fans to see Eli go on to St. Louis, Arizona, or even Houston and have success similar to that of which he's normally enjoyed when given support up front.

was very sharp yesterday and had a nice touch on his swing passes to the tight ends.

the one play yesterday though that showed eli's physical limitations was the watt sack....i think most starting QBs would be quick and agile enough to avoid the first rush by watt and scramble to the outside, but eli couldn't get out of the way; also contrast to fitzpatrick who is no usain bolt who pulled the ball down and ran effectively on a number of occassions when the play broke down.

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In comment 11875776 BurberryManning said:

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It was speculated by more than a handful of posters that the Giants should entertain the idea of cutting Eli at the end of the year and auditioning Nassib as the answer at the QB position going forward. Nevermind that the odds of the Mara family abandoning Eli have got to be miniscule but it would almost be justice for those fans to see Eli go on to St. Louis, Arizona, or even Houston and have success similar to that of which he's normally enjoyed when given support up front.

My only disagreement with your post is with the word "miniscule." I would change it to ZERO..

Said it all, to be honest. If the team plays well around Eli, we have no QB problem at all, if he has to do it all himself, he or anyone else as a QB will fail. Even Peyton, as good as he is, has a very good team around him. Take a good look at Kapernick, 2 years ago he was the second coming, now he is 1-2 and looks bad. Maybe the team is not playing as well as they can, maybe its not all him. You can do this for every team, look at the Bengals, now they have a great roster, and right now the QB is great, if he does not win a playoff game, even if he goes 14-2, he will be a bum again, its not only Eli, its every QB and every town.

into the top 20 ALL-TIME passing yardage and TD passes, third longest iron man streak, two SB MVPs, at the peak of his career. Surely we can find a fourth rounder with strong pre-season experience to replace him.

(I don't), he was a big part of Jennings' day on the ground yesterday. Reading the defense and switching plays at the line, accordingly. Don't forget that.

Eli had much more of a focused look yesterday ... The goofy, aw shucks, WTH is going on look was gone and he looked much more comfortable with the game plan. It was one of those days where it looked the brothers switched teams.

Eli will play close to his brother's longevity and our next QB will be then Badger Austin Kafentzis (assuming we can get him). You heard it here first!!!

Eli will play close to his brother's longevity and our next QB will be then Badger Austin Kafentzis (assuming we can get him). You heard it here first!!!

it kind of comes off as over crediting Eli. Sure, Eli makes the calls at the line, but Jennings' big day had much more to do with the OL and Jennings running like a mad man.

but there was legit concern about whether he was worth the money he was getting and would he (and TC and others) be in the long term plans of the Giants.

When you stink for a year and half consistently, those questions tend to get asked.

Anyway, he has looked good fr the better part of 2 games now - I mean real good. This is the type of QB and type of offense I wanted and why I was so excited to see a change in the OC.
Furthermore, if this is the quality of the Oline going forward, we should have many more fun Sundays coming up.

people will say the same things again. I doubt you can put that talk to rest.

He's 33 years old. of course he's in decline.Doesn't mean he can't play another 4-7 years.

My self I said all along Eli ainthe problem and all these guys crying for him to go are gonna be crying for years after he's gone annointing this one and that one as the next coming of Eli Manning, but I still think we will all be older men by the time we see the likes of him in NY again, if ever.A lot of us are gonna be dead by the time a Giant comes along and beaks all his records, I think.

is what makes this site come off as ridiculous at times. To argue that an 32 year old NFL QB with 10 years of starting experience might be physically declining isn't so far fetch. (Of course this statement ignores the fact that many of the people making this claim did not back up their assertions with evidence, not even the old fashion "eye-ball" test results.)

Now placing a large portion of the blame for his recent subpar play on that possible physical decline is what makes those statements silly as it's implied that the downward tend in Eli's play is irreversible.

since he never had much mobility to begin with. The difference between him and Fitzpatrick was pretty remarkable. Eli would have been sacked ten times if he was a Texan yesterday.

On the other hand it was great to see him with such a good pace yesterday. This O is fast enough so that he could he could make it quite a few more years before father time/injury bug catches up with him.

On another note though, while his play the last couple weeks has been encouraging, lets not get ahead of ourselves and act like he is beyond having tough questions asked about his future this offseason. These last couple games dont erase everything that has transpired pretty much since hurricane sandy minus a meaningless week 17 game in 2012 against an eagle team that quit. And of course, like every other qb who has ever lived his life is easier with good protection and a running game. But he is far from beyond facing questions about his future unless this keeps up.

In comment 11875889 David in LA said:

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it kind of comes off as over crediting Eli. Sure, Eli makes the calls at the line, but Jennings' big day had much more to do with the OL and Jennings running like a mad man.

Big part, integral part, whatever you want to call it. Yes, the line and Jennings were awesome yesterday, no doubt. But Eli identifying the defense and changing the play accordingly certainly play into that.

It was more of a statement about Eli being sharp, than meant to be a detraction of Jennings or the line. A statement meant to be independent from Jennings' or the line's performance.

Would it be fair to pin blame on eli for calls made (and not made) at the line against certain defensive looks. Or does he only get credit when the run game flourishes

we can't. We need to see what he's like at the end of the year. Right now, I agree that he looks good physically, but let's see how this movie ends. I also wish people would stop using his brother as proof that Eli can play effectively into his late thirties. They have had two different careers, and his brother has had several very serious neck surgeries.

Even if he's physically capable of still playing, we need to know that he can still produce results. He certainly showed yesterday what he can still do behind a solid OL. He can still make some tremendous throws, including the TD to Fells. That's as good as it gets, even by NFL standards. In fact, he's done a lot with an OL that has frankly been bad the last few years.

But he also threw 27 INTs last season, and has thrown 100 in the last five years. Not all of those were "miscommunication INTs" between him and his WRs (i.e. Randle). He's made some hideous passes. He's a gunslinger by nature, and understandably gets frustrated when the offense isn't moving. He is also 33.

Remember that the Giants choose not to renegotiate his contract at the end of last year. They obviously wanted to see if he could stay healthy and produce. Those are legitimate questions for any athlete in any sport over the age of 30, especially in a game as violent as professional football.

I was against paying him $17M next season. But if he continues to play well and stays healthy, that is what I would probably do. You eat the cap hit to postpone the decision about what to do with Eli for another year. That also gives you another year to evaluate Nassib.

the running game is key. Give Eli a running game and ELi wins a lot of football games. You can that about many good QBs but not all of them.

IF this team runs the ball they will compete for a playoff spot. That's the goal this season -- Run the ball, win enough games to ward off the pitchforks and give Coughlin and Eli one more shot at postseason glory over the next couple of seasons here.

I'm not sure if this current roster is deep and talented enough to make a legit postseason run but the goal should be to build a winning foundation and set the bedrock for a run next year. Yesterday was a start. A very 2010 like performance--I mean that in a good way.

In comment 11875933 MarshallOnMontana said:

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Would it be fair to pin blame on eli for calls made (and not made) at the line against certain defensive looks. Or does he only get credit when the run game flourishes

Depends on what you see, but sure.

he gets the blame for everything else when we lose, so wouldn't that just be par for the course?

He can't stand it that Eli is doing well

He's no Kaepernick, but he moves around in the packet fairly well. He also looks good to me on the designed rollouts.

they're probably going to win a decent amount of games, assuming you also have a non-historically-terrible defense in play.

The actually good to great QBs are the ones who aren't dependent on the run to be successful or at least not play like one of the worst QBs in the NFL.

new footwork, an offensive line that also is a work in progress, without a clear number 1 receiver, and a still work-in-progress tight end and he didn't light it up in pre-season and had a tough outing in game 1. Over-the-hill, shell-shocked, forked, blah, blah, blah. Amazingly stupid or just another example of emotionally immature, instant-gratification seeking dolts with little critical thinking skills.

In comment 11875994 Riggies said:

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they're probably going to win a decent amount of games, assuming you also have a non-historically-terrible defense in play. The actually good to great QBs are the ones who aren't dependent on the run to be successful or at least not play like one of the worst QBs in the NFL.

As though Brady and Peyton would have done anything to speak of with the OL we've had the last two years

surely has to go in part to the replacement of Gilbride by McAdoo. Here you have a qb with excellent vision who can spot patterns in the defense, and he was getting up to to the line with no time to make such adjustments far too frequently under Gilbride.

It is soooo refreshing to see Eli get to the line, make two or three hand and verbal adjustments, and STILL have 8 or 9 seconds left on the clock. For years, I had gotten into the habit of worrying whether Eli was going to get the play off in time. That was never fun, nor useful.

...the franchise QB.

He plays better the bigger the game.

He can make any NFL throw that a coach can draw up and he will do so under duress.

He is level headed at all times regardless of in-game or season wide results.

He makes all around him better, you think Donnell would be lighting it up with most QB's? How many under the radar TE's producing will it take for everyone to realize Eli plays a large part in making these guys better. Imagine if he had a real top notch TE?

I do not understand how anyone can question Eli? Nassib? The odds of him being a QB a fraction as good as Eli are almost zero.

There are no QB's playing today whose resumes exceed Eli's. Picks? Who cares really, the guy is a gunslinger. Where you cheering when he hit Tyree in '07? Where you cheering when he hit Manningham in '11? Those were two of the best plays in Super Bowl History. Eli has done them both. The reason he has made these great plays is the gunslinger mentality.

Now that Eli is in a new system, and it seems it has taken him all of two games to look like he has been playing in it his whole life, he will have the precious completion percentage and QB rating that so many put so much stock in. Once that happens what will the excise be? What will fans and "experts" use to bring him down a notch? Truthfully I ham curious to see what they will use.

Eli in my opinion is one of the most underrated players in the NFL. Ask yourself this, think the Texans would take Eli? How about the Rams? How about any team looking to make noise. The crosstown Jets? Would Eli make them better? I think so.

Eli is a once in a generation talent and he plays for our favorite football team. The Giants can roll Eli out in a wheelchair at 40 plus for all I care, at least I know he will give the team a punchers chance to win.

In comment 11875987 PatersonPlank said:

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He's no Kaepernick, but he moves around in the packet fairly well. He also looks good to me on the designed rollouts.

People who watched Eli play in college know that that's how he used to play.

And there are those who will also give him almost all of the credit in wins and point fingers elsewhere in losses to shield him

he has played pretty well the last couple weeks. I think its fair to say though that he is not beyond needing a good year here to avoid tough questions about his future. I dont think he is incapable of that by any stretch, and im a lot more encouraged than I was 2 weeks ago. But coming off the last year and a half, this is a prove it year for a lot of people including him

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