If nothing else, can we put the Eli is physically in decline

this thread pass into the ethers

on Eli. And I think it sums him, and many fans, up perfectly...
Haters gonna hate - ( New Window )

In comment 11877909 PatersonPlank said:

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first game I remember). I was also there when the Meadowlands opened in 1976 and we were 0-9 before getting our first win. This has been one of the top 3 era's in Giants football history, and I can't bring myself to criticize the players and coaches who have brought it to us. Soon enough we will regress back to 5-11 consistently, every team almost does, and then people will talk about how great the Manning era was.

Amen!! Well said! We went through more QB'S then Ellen Degeneres f%&ked women. We will sit back and remember fondly Ole Eli!!!

In comment 11877116 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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Is so determined to express Eli's mediocrity but was praising Russell Wilson on the gamethread last night. Look up mediocrity in the dictionary and you'll see RW cheesing it in his senior HS photo. Guy has the most talented team gifted to him where his job requirement is "Don't do anything to lose the game and we won't need you to do anything to win us the game.".

Lol Russell wilson is anything but mediocre. My god make this shit stop. We can't talk about Eli without disparaging other qbs or players. It's gotten to the point where no one is right anymore. In the eternal Eli debate, everyone is fucking insane. You me and Eli...all insane. I give up.

And let's see Eli play two good games in a row before we coronate him as comeback player of the year. For the love of holy shit

I'd like to personally call out every lunatic Eli defender that has literately forced me to become an Eli "realist." I used to be a defender too until I made peace with what he was and is. He's an up and down QB that saved his best play for the biggest spots. And there is nothing wrong with that. He's done more than most. He can sit at a dinner table with some of the biggest QB legends to ever play the game and he would belong at that table. But he's not perfect. At times he's brutal. And I'm fine with that.

Hopefully Eli has the last laugh this year once again. We need him to carry this franchise.

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..I'd like to personally call out every lunatic Eli defender that has literately forced me to become an Eli "realist." I used to be a defender too until I made peace with what he was and is. He's an up and down QB that saved his best play for the biggest spots. And there is nothing wrong with that. He's done more than most. He can sit at a dinner table with some of the biggest QB legends to ever play the game and he would belong at that table. But he's not perfect. At times he's brutal. And I'm fine with that.

I hear you..And he may have a shitty performance here and there. However, you give him reasonable protection and with his smarts and physical ability, he's gonna be really effective. This O may be just what the doctor ordered for him. We shall see on that.

But, as FMiC pointed out on this thread, he's a "gunslinger" and he's gonna make mistakes, but not to the tune of 27 INTs imv..

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Eli Manning is hardly ready to wave goodbye after 10 years as the Giants’ starting quarterback, and in that time he has seen his NFC East rivals go through 26 QBs who have yet to measure up the two-time Super Bowl MVP.

26!!!

I'll say this. Eli has had a GREAT career. His great moments far outweigh his downside as a player. He's probably been victimized by a tough system and stupid Wrs but so have other qbs.

I also think Eli is () this close to a hof career. He's right there. One or two productive seasons and some compiling and he should get in. So don't shit all over me please.

To one or two posts. Seems this thread is pretty civil.

Eli is making me a believer again but we need to see more. I won't lie I was a little nervous heading into this season but after the last 6 or so quarters it looks like Eli and this offense has turned the corner.

Question is, was last week's win the start of something special or just fools gold? We shall see. The OL play has me believing it's not fools gold.

Last thing-- Russell Wilson is fucking awesome. If you love Eli you should be able to recognize great QB play when you see it. Wilson is great. If he was average the hawks aren't the best team in football.

have done a good job of finding the middle ground in this never ending argument on here. I think that's where the truth lies. Good posts, guys.

Andy Reid knew McNabb was cooked. We wouldn't have known it from those two games, though. The next year, Michael Vick looked unstoppable for about two months... until he reverted to being Michael Vick.

Personally, I think Eli is far from done, and I love the way he has looked the past two weeks. It's just too small a sample to support meaningful conclusions.

when it comes to Eli....the "haters" have never accepted his faults and the "defenders" have never acknowledged them.

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In comment 11883438 GMenLTS said:

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One for every TD.

He can still ball. :)

Wooooooo Hooooooooo !!!

Fuck y'all haters. We were right!!!!

....the teet of greatness.

but he's been a fucking warrior for this franchise. He takes a beating and has won huge games for this franchise.

He takes shit from Giant fans, he takes shit from the media, and we all know opposing fans give him shit all the time, but he never complains and he always competes.

I'm so glad he's our QB, and if Giant fans don't appreciate him, I feel sorry for them...because I doubt the next guy will be nearly as good.

We can offer him 7 million a year for 3 years and extend him.

that plan, coach!

In comment 11883970 dorgan said:

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We can offer him 7 million a year for 3 years and extend him.

Yeah... ummm, well he did throw a pick tonight, albeit it should have been his 6th TD of the night, but it was a bad decision.

I'm thinking that number goes down a bit.

over the last three games is back to making me wonder what kind of numbers he actually is/has been capable of putting up -- maybe even huge ones, even accounting for perhaps a slightly elevated INT count above the "elite" standard because that is just who he is to some extent.

In comment 11884032 Riggies said:

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over the last three games is back to making me wonder what kind of numbers he actually is/has been capable of putting up -- maybe even huge ones, even accounting for perhaps a slightly elevated INT count above the "elite" standard because that is just who he is to some extent.

I just said to my friend, it's a good thing we won those 2 Super Bowls.. because those are the 2 reasons I won't let that thought bother me as much.

I respect what Gilbride accomplished here but I can't help but think that this is the type of offense that Eli maybe could have been best in all along.

At the very least, I wanted to find out. So far, and the sample is very small which I fully understand.. but it's starting to make me feel like that hunch could be right.

This just looks like Eli maximizing his ability. He gets to the line with ~15 seconds left, he sees the look the defense is showing, he has time to make adjustments, he has time to make his checks and it just seems like he knows exactly where to go with the ball every single time. It's impressive.

It looks to me like we're running most of our plays out of the gun.. it's kind of the most he has ever looked like Peyton to me. (I'm not saying he IS Peyton, obviously)

"Eli is not fit for that offense....He looks done."

-Ron Jaworski on AZ Sports radio before the Cardinals game

Regression to a mean or something.

ask Brian Orokpo's opinion....

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Eli put on a showcase of his physical skills last night.

He can still make all the throws, and even showed off his wheels a little bit.

There will be ups and downs and I'm sure there will be some stinkers along the way, but PHYSICALLY, Eli is clearly fine.

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In comment 11884977 Britt in VA said:

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My biggest worry was his mechanics. But.. after these last 3 games, I have zero concerns about that anymore.

This was the first time really since Minnesota in 2007 (and even then, I wasn't going crazy) that ANY doubt about Eli had ever crept into my head. Thankfully it went away about as quickly as it came.

It's not about "just one game" for me, I just needed to see Eli play at this level again. I needed to see him make throws and look in control and comfortable again.

Eli has a lot of ball left in him. I'm excited.

In comment 11884652 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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ask Brian Orokpo's opinion....

LoL - Is that Orakpo'ed or Eli'ed !?

There has to be something that can still rile up enough people and get them to complain about

And not lose one where he was heavily favored.





oh wait...

Agf- im not sure what youre talking about. Im a fan of wilson but ive never painted him as some top 5 qb. Seems to me you are the one who takes an extreme position on him, as you routinely talk about how much he sucks, but whatevet

fmic- dont know why you need this explained to you, but if one guy is playing in sb 46, the other isnt. All of this alex smith not playing against baltimore stuff.........

manh- the ny giants did that. Eli manning was a big part, but its a fools errand to equate team accomplishments with individual greatness, especially in a sport with this many moving parts and the high degree of randomness that comes with single elimination playoffs. This is just bottom of the barrell simplicity from lowest common denominator sports fans. Nothing more silly than ring counters

As for the rest, I dont hate eli, never have. Dont have a regular presence here bashing him. He has played very well the last couple weeks, hope it keeps up. I dont doubt he has the potential for a big year. Also think its fair to note to some eli apologists that maybe this supporting cast isnt as horrifyingly garbage as was made out to be by some. I guess it is humanly possible to play well with the pieces reese gave him. Lets give jr some credit

Im very excited by how comfortable eli looks in this offense. This could be a big year.

That last sentence to you reads kind of rough. I wasnt speaking to you individually there, just more broadly. It reads like a personal shot and wasnt intended to be. My apologies

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fmic- dont know why you need this explained to you, but if one guy is playing in sb 46, the other isnt. All of this alex smith not playing against baltimore stuff.........

Why would this even be pointed out in the first place?

You are the one that made some ridiculous reference to Alex smith as if an unlucky bounce is the only thing keeping him from being a Super Bowl great.

Frankly, I should just let these weird comparisons speak for themselves. Why you keep pulling them out is another question altogether.

Taking so much time to try and classify eli as mediocre or compare him to below average QB's is one of those "WTF?" moments.

Joe - if this isn't you, I apologize, but who was the jacknut who kept acting as if Asante Samuel dropped an "easy" INT that would have invalidated the 2007 SB win?

You know, the one that Samuel got a fingertip on?

I know some jackass was beating that drum. The "what if" game is a frequent tool for those who don't accept history.

needs to live forever. Eli is feeding off it.

In comment 11877116 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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Is so determined to express Eli's mediocrity but was praising Russell Wilson on the gamethread last night. Look up mediocrity in the dictionary and you'll see RW cheesing it in his senior HS photo. Guy has the most talented team gifted to him where his job requirement is "Don't do anything to lose the game and we won't need you to do anything to win us the game.".

This weird anti Russell Wilson axe you grind is getting weirder, especially in light of how he did in fact really help them win yet another game against another elite QB last week. I think he's something like 8-0 against the Brady's, Mannings, Rodgers and Brees of the world.

and anyone disparaging Russell Wilson's play is just being weird.

I think you're letting an Eli agenda blind you if you are trying to find problems with a QB like Russel Wilson. How many times will you see a good playoff team get their ass kicked simply because their QB is average before you realize that great teams are rarely great when the QB isn't good enough? How many teams have won without the QB since 2000? ONE? Maybe TWO?

Watch some of plays Wilson made the last two postseasons and tell me that his play is easily mirrored by any other run of the mill QB. You're high if you believe that.

in the playoffs all because the QB is average....

Typo in first post.

In comment 11885878 santacruzom said:

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This weird anti Russell Wilson axe you grind is getting weirder, especially in light of how he did in fact really help them win yet another game against another elite QB last week. I think he's something like 8-0 against the Brady's, Mannings, Rodgers and Brees of the world.

I have no idea why QB vs QB W/L means anything when there are 52 other players on each team.

It's Seattle's defense, beastmode, and RW (in that order) that are 8-0 against those QB's.

I'm not even Anti-RW. But there's this growing sentiment that him and a guy luck Luck should be in the same discussion. Or that RW has surpassed Luck. It's nonsense.

But that's my last post about RW on this thread, I don't want to hijack the thread after a great win by the Giants.

is that it paints a picture as if thinking it's remotely possible that the offense might be a poor fit was a ridiculous notion to begin with. The book on Eli tracing back to Ole Miss was that when he misses, he misses high. I'm thrilled to see Eli getting comfortable in this offense, but people somehow think that taking this position after a year and a half of stinkers makes me a hater of some sort.

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that said definitively that Eli's physical skills were in decline.