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Watching other games-You can't hit the QB anymore...

kmed : 9/22/2014 12:52 pm
It's a disturbing trend to watch around the NFL. I understood it when the league made sure to protect the head of the QB. Now it's getting ridiculous. There was a hit by Patrick Willis yesterday to the chest of Stanton that was flagged. It was a text book hit and it came just a play after another 9er was flagged for hitting the QB when he was outside the pocket.

This is a week after a Raven was flagged for hitting Roethlisberger in the chest. You can't hit the QB anymore and if you do, it better not be too hard or your team will get penalized.
I dunno..we've laid some hits the last couple of weeks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2014 12:53 pm : link
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Stanton took a few big hits to the helmet  
deboGIANTS : 9/22/2014 12:55 pm : link
in the cards niners game.

Eventually the refs threw a flog on a flagrant hit later in the game
There were two key PF's that led directly to a TD pass.  
kmed : 9/22/2014 12:57 pm : link
First Stanton was on the run and sliding for a first down. Defender hit him as he started to slide. I believe it was legal, but it was very violent and possibly could have been avoided. Not as much of a problem with that call. Then Willis blitzed and smoked Stanton right in the numbers. Nowhere close to Stanton's head and he was flagged for a PF. TD on the next play.
Here's a link to the highlights...  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:01 pm : link
About 50 seconds in you can see the 2 PF calls.
Link - ( New Window )
Maybe they should make those calls reviewable.  
mamu : 9/22/2014 1:01 pm : link
Hits to the QB, blows to the head, etc.
I thought...  
BillKo : 9/22/2014 1:02 pm : link
Seattle was perilously close to getting called for some hits, esp since it was Peyton.

Fletcher Cox nailed Cousins good after a false start penalty.  
dangerousrappingfrog : 9/22/2014 1:03 pm : link
Of course no penalty even though it was exactly what McClain got called for last week against Ariz.
That hit by Baker on Foles was filthy.  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:04 pm : link
Clear intent to injure on that play. He should be suspended for a game for that one.
If anyone  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2014 1:04 pm : link
watched the Eagles Redskins game Foles took an absolute beating.

Some legal hits, some not, but he was on the ground wincing in pain after every single offensive play it seemed.

Peyton  
BronxBombers : 9/22/2014 1:04 pm : link
took a few hard shots and was driven to the ground, no calls there...
Yeah I was sort of busy  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:05 pm : link
watching the Giants game. You DVR'd it?
RE: There were two key PF's that led directly to a TD pass.  
EricNY33 : 9/22/2014 1:05 pm : link
In comment 11876214 kmed said:
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First Stanton was on the run and sliding for a first down. Defender hit him as he started to slide. I believe it was legal, but it was very violent and possibly could have been avoided. Not as much of a problem with that call. Then Willis blitzed and smoked Stanton right in the numbers. Nowhere close to Stanton's head and he was flagged for a PF. TD on the next play.


I saw the 2nd one and you're right. Ridiculous call on that play.
There was one hit on Peyton  
YAJ2112 : 9/22/2014 1:06 pm : link
may have been after the late INT where the Seattle player leaped over another guy and looked like he wrapped Peyton up around the head/neck area. I was shocked they didn't call that one with today's rules.
RE: Yeah I was sort of busy  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11876241 kmed said:
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watching the Giants game. You DVR'd it?


for some reason the Giants game ended like 30 min before the Eagles Redskins. I watched the entire 4th quarter and half time, during timeouts, in between plays, etc.

I have the Sunday Ticket you'd be surprised how much time off there is in football (or maybe you wouldn't) when you can see 8 blank (or commercial filled) screens at the same time very often.
I don't see any change  
Randy in CT : 9/22/2014 1:09 pm : link
in this officiating philosophy yet.
I had no problem with the penalty on the first Stanton play.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 9/22/2014 1:09 pm : link
That hit was unnecessary. The second one was a crap penalty... they're throwing penalties for hitting QBs hard.
RE: RE: Yeah I was sort of busy  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11876250 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 11876241 kmed said:


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watching the Giants game. You DVR'd it?



for some reason the Giants game ended like 30 min before the Eagles Redskins. I watched the entire 4th quarter and half time, during timeouts, in between plays, etc.

I have the Sunday Ticket you'd be surprised how much time off there is in football (or maybe you wouldn't) when you can see 8 blank (or commercial filled) screens at the same time very often.


Side note:
I got rid of Directv this year for the first time in 15(ish) years. I'm so used to having sunday ticket and this year I'm fully reliant on the red zone channel. Honestly, and I'm not saying this because of my current circumstances, but the sunday ticket is a waste of money. You do not need anything more than the red zone channel which is all day of action. You catch all of the big plays.
RE: I had no problem with the penalty on the first Stanton play.  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:12 pm : link
In comment 11876255 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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That hit was unnecessary. The second one was a crap penalty... they're throwing penalties for hitting QBs hard.


I felt the same way when I watched it. The first hit was unnecessary, but it was legal. They even asked Mike Pariera(sp?) and he said it was legal, but it was very violent and unnecessary because he was already going down. The one on willis was pure dogshit and is ruining the game.
I disagree..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2014 1:15 pm : link
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That hit by Baker on Foles was filthy.
kmed : 1:04 pm : link : reply
Clear intent to injure on that play. He should be suspended for a game for that one.


He didn't hit him in the head or lead with a helmet - if that block was on any other player, it probably isn't flagged, let alone discussed about a suspension, but because it was the QB, people are up in arms.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah I was sort of busy  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2014 1:16 pm : link
In comment 11876260 kmed said:
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In comment 11876250 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 11876241 kmed said:


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watching the Giants game. You DVR'd it?



for some reason the Giants game ended like 30 min before the Eagles Redskins. I watched the entire 4th quarter and half time, during timeouts, in between plays, etc.

I have the Sunday Ticket you'd be surprised how much time off there is in football (or maybe you wouldn't) when you can see 8 blank (or commercial filled) screens at the same time very often.



Side note:
I got rid of Directv this year for the first time in 15(ish) years. I'm so used to having sunday ticket and this year I'm fully reliant on the red zone channel. Honestly, and I'm not saying this because of my current circumstances, but the sunday ticket is a waste of money. You do not need anything more than the red zone channel which is all day of action. You catch all of the big plays.


I'm not in the Giants market. I wouldn't want to watch the Giants on red zone channel - which I also have through FiOS. I have one TV with FiOS in addition to my TV's with DTV.

And I got the Sunday Ticket for free, but I am likely canceling next year (I tried to this year, but with my early termination fee and discounts they gave me it didn't make sense). My kids have hockey games every Sunday from here on out.
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kmed : 9/22/2014 1:16 pm : link
1. It was late. The runner was on the ground when the hit occurred.

2. There is a rule about seeking the QB out in those situations.

3. Let's be real, Foles was nowhere near the play.

4. He didn't try to block Foles, he tried to knock him unconscious.

It was a filthy, filthy hit. There's a reason QB's have different rules than DE's.
pj,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:17 pm : link
yeah, doesn't work for anyone not in the NY market.
RE: I disagree..  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2014 1:18 pm : link
In comment 11876276 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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That hit by Baker on Foles was filthy.
kmed : 1:04 pm : link : reply
Clear intent to injure on that play. He should be suspended for a game for that one.



He didn't hit him in the head or lead with a helmet - if that block was on any other player, it probably isn't flagged, let alone discussed about a suspension, but because it was the QB, people are up in arms.


Aikman said they changed the rules and made it illegal to hit the QB on plays like that a couple years ago.

Did anyone else hear that? is that true?
hit on a delayed call - delay of game  
D HOS : 9/22/2014 1:18 pm : link
This happened to us and our guy got flagged. McClain I think. It also happened in one of the games I watched this weekend, I think Redskins / Eagles and the defender did NOT get flagged. It was basically the same exact play.

I agree that Chris Baker's hit on Foles was a cheap shot. Certainly a 15-yarder and a fine. Ejection, I assume, due to the fighting afterwards. Props to LT Peters for sticking up for his man. 10 times out of 10 I want to see that. I question his ejection.
pj,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:21 pm : link
yes its true. You cannot search out and hit a QB unless he's involved in the play. Clearly Foles was nowhere near making a play on the runner that was already on the ground. He could have pushed him or stood in front of him if he was really worried about it.
If you are going to knock..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2014 1:21 pm : link
somebody unconscious, I think you most likely would target the head. Hitting a guy on the shoulder isn't exactly the dirtiest thing I even saw in that game.
kmed  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 1:28 pm : link
The hit on Stanton when he went into his slide is not legal. Once the QB goes into his feet first slide, he can't be hit. At all.
Matt,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:29 pm : link
Mike Perriera is the one that said it was legal because you can hit them when they first start to slide.
i forgot the incident that led to the rule change  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 1:30 pm : link
But a few years ago a QB who threw an INT and was not in pursuit on the return got blasted by a defender.
Yeah it's def a rule that was implemented a few years ago.  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:31 pm : link
You cannot seek out the QB to lay a hit. It was a filthy hit. Not because of the actual hit which would have been clean if it was in a play. It was a defenseless player that wasn't looking and wasn't involved in the play.
Stanton  
Csonka : 9/22/2014 1:36 pm : link
Matt, Stanton's got to slide earlier to avoid that hit. You can't expect a defensive guy to instantly stop himself from laying that hit. We're talking split second. He was hit before his sliding feet hit the ground. You want to avoid the hit, get down. Questionable call.
Csonka  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 1:39 pm : link
First, i think his feet were already on the ground in slide mode. Second, it was obvious he was giving himself up to slide and I didn't see it as a split second decision. His body was already leaning back in the slide, so a full second or two after he went into the slide he was hit and hit high. It was a dirty hit, in my opinion, and properly flagged.
Matt,.  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:40 pm : link
I agree that it was necessary and the defender could have let up, but by the rule book, it was legal.
kmed  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 1:43 pm : link
How was it legal? Stanton was already clearly in his slide, and not by a split second either.
Matt,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:45 pm : link
according to Perriera, it was a legal hit because he wasn't on the ground yet.
RE: Maybe they should make those calls reviewable.  
Mason : 9/22/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 11876225 mamu said:
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Hits to the QB, blows to the head, etc.


I remember the players union wanted to do this but the officials union and rules committee said that it called into question their judgments.
Matt,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 1:50 pm : link
look at the video I linked in this thread. Go to the 50 second mark. Stanton tried a jump slide and he was hit while he was in the air, not when he was on the ground, which is legal.
kmed  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 2:02 pm : link
My understanding based on commentators in similar situations in the past, is that once the QBs feet go first, even if in the air, he is considered to have given himself up. This is why I keep referring to him having gone into his slide.
Matt...  
kmed : 9/22/2014 2:04 pm : link
When a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet;


Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact.

A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck are of the runner.
kmed  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 2:07 pm : link
Thanks for the clarification. Even by that standard, i think it was properly flagged because it was avoidable contact.
Matt,  
kmed : 9/22/2014 2:12 pm : link
I can see that one going either way. By rule, I don't think you can prove it was a penalty. You have to allow defenders to be aggressive in those situations. Especially when the QB is jump diving to get an extra yard or two.
kmed  
Matt M. : 9/22/2014 2:13 pm : link
But he wasn't "jump diving". Going feet first he is giving himself up at the expense of extra yardage.
RE: i forgot the incident that led to the rule change  
Mason : 9/22/2014 2:14 pm : link
In comment 11876338 Matt M. said:
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But a few years ago a QB who threw an INT and was not in pursuit on the return got blasted by a defender.



Didn't Harrison hit Colt McCoy once for running towards the sidelines which was a vicious hit and took it out of the game for awhile and then McCoy came back to throw an interception and Harrison hit him again while McCoy was just watching the return. Turns out he had a concussion. I think there were rule changes after that season.

Worst call of the day  
Phil from WNY : 9/22/2014 2:24 pm : link
was against Cory Liuget of the Bolts against EJ Manuel of the Bills. Manuel leaped in the air to get a throw off and Liuget drove him into the ground - impossible if Manuel didn't leave his feet. I'm all for protecting the QB but when a mobile QB goes air born to make a play, you've got to let the defender hit him.
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