On the play clock when Eli gets to the line? It's great not screaming at the TV as the clock ticks down to one second. Why was Gilbride unable to pull that off? I understand we have a more up tempo offense, but the clock was almost always completely gone when KG was the coordinator.
And I'm not a KG basher, he won us two rings. It's just perplexing that he couldn't get the plays in faster.
What I saw of this new O, is the pitch and catch Eli seemed to be having a ball with(my take)...
It would appear that all the responses by the players (getting a lot done in practice even though it hadn't translated to the field) to WHEN the McAdoo O would be seen in earnest, is beginning to POSSIBLY take hold..I'm a wait and see guy, but I had a ball myself re-watching the relative smoothness out there on O
Did anyone else notice how thorough Eli was in communicating at the LOS, whether calling out protections or adjusting the play? The guy knows his X's and O's and it's great to give him some time at the line to digest everything.
A guy in the seat behind me was bitching and moaning every time Eli would walk up to the line, point things out and change up the play. At one point I turned around and said "what are you complaining about, its working." Eli then did it the next 3 plays, all of them completions, the last one a touchdown.
Armstead, that's interesting, I hadn't heard that before. I always thought it allowed the D to pin their ears back because he couldn't try and draw them off because they knew he had to snap it.
Lol, it's not up to me. It just comes out.
Pleasant surprise.
A guy in the seat behind me was bitching and moaning every time Eli would walk up to the line, point things out and change up the play. At one point I turned around and said "what are you complaining about, its working." Eli then did it the next 3 plays, all of them completions, the last one a touchdown.
What was the guy complaining about? Was it too quick for his liking?
Often it allowed Ds to get a good jump on the snap because Eli was snapping with no time left. Or the O would get to the line with <10 seconds left and there wouldn't be time to adjust the play.
Lining up early is a benefit to the offense. Use the hard count to get them to show their true look, which Eli did a few times. I think on the TD run, they also got lined up and snapped it almost immediately and it didn't look like the D was even set completely. Being lined up with 15+ seconds on the play clock is a huge advantage when you have a heady QB like Eli.
we did not have a delay of game penalty
many many times previously after a big play like that
the offense would never get the next play off in time
I'm all for yelling at Eli is the clock gets really low, but this wasn't the case. There was always plenty of time left to read the defense and check to another play call.
I self-admittedly know a lot more than I should about football for someone who has never played the sport, but it was annoying to listen to. I feel like some people really have no idea about what truly goes on behind the scenes and the real intricacies of football strategy.
I self-admittedly know a lot more than I should about football for someone who has never played the sport, but it was annoying to listen to. I feel like some people really have no idea about what truly goes on behind the scenes and the real intricacies of football strategy.
It's tough dealing with the casual football fan when at games or at the bar. I usually can tell a persons level of investment in the game after a couple questions. Then I know whether to engage further or ignore them. The guy at the bar yesterday with the Weatherford jersey was someone i enjoyed talking too cause he knew his shit haha.
But to the point, it was worse with away games, so this Thursday is key. I truly beleive if they keep the pace up, they will be fine.
But to the point, it was worse with away games, so this Thursday is key. I truly beleive if they keep the pace up, they will be fine.
Good point. I'll be paying close attention to the clock on Thursday night.
but it seems like he is OK with giving Bmac the keys to the car
No, I didn't know(or recall) that..When was this implemented?
I didn't know that. So what was the reason for KG's offense not snapping til the last second? Is it what armstead said?
This is what I noticed myself doing yesterday. And when I took notice that we now had plenty of time.
Agree with this aspect as well. Eli is starting to look how I hoped he would look in a new up tempo O. He looks really calm when identifying the defense.
YES!! this is exactly the issue!! I couldn't quite put my finger on it....
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in the Gilbride era was by design to force the defense to commit to their true look prior to the snap.
Often it allowed Ds to get a good jump on the snap because Eli was snapping with no time left. Or the O would get to the line with <10 seconds left and there wouldn't be time to adjust the play.
Lining up early is a benefit to the offense. Use the hard count to get them to show their true look, which Eli did a few times. I think on the TD run, they also got lined up and snapped it almost immediately and it didn't look like the D was even set completely. Being lined up with 15+ seconds on the play clock is a huge advantage when you have a heady QB like Eli.
I think both approaches have their pros and cons. For instance, their was one play yesterday where Eli got to the line with about 15 seconds left. The defense showed a blitz so Eli audibled and clearly changed the play. The defense then had plenty of time and made a change themselves: they called the blitz off. I think the end result was a quick incompletion. Everyone loves the theater of the quarterback directing the offense presnap ala Peyton. On the other hand, I think it's that much more of your tells and tendencies on tape come playoff time. In some of Peyton's most monumental postseason losses, it seems like the defenses are all over that.
please, if anyone figures out how NOT to do this, let me know. Either that or your not a Giants fan of the last 11 yrs
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in the Gilbride era was by design to force the defense to commit to their true look prior to the snap.
Often it allowed Ds to get a good jump on the snap because Eli was snapping with no time left. Or the O would get to the line with <10 seconds left and there wouldn't be time to adjust the play.
Lining up early is a benefit to the offense. Use the hard count to get them to show their true look, which Eli did a few times. I think on the TD run, they also got lined up and snapped it almost immediately and it didn't look like the D was even set completely. Being lined up with 15+ seconds on the play clock is a huge advantage when you have a heady QB like Eli.
I think both approaches have their pros and cons. For instance, their was one play yesterday where Eli got to the line with about 15 seconds left. The defense showed a blitz so Eli audibled and clearly changed the play. The defense then had plenty of time and made a change themselves: they called the blitz off. I think the end result was a quick incompletion. Everyone loves the theater of the quarterback directing the offense presnap ala Peyton. On the other hand, I think it's that much more of your tells and tendencies on tape come playoff time. In some of Peyton's most monumental postseason losses, it seems like the defenses are all over that.
It can work in Peyton's favor too. He readily admits to using those calls as deception. Sometimes it's just fake audibles and gibberish words designed to get the defense OUT of their original set.
I understand this thought process, I would think that would really only be applied on 3rd and long when the odds of conversion are low so you let the defense have a few more seconds of rest.
I'd rather control the clock with possession passing and running the football.
Under the old scheme, we'd have drives where barely any time came off the clock between first down and the punt.
I think both approaches have their pros and cons. For instance, their was one play yesterday where Eli got to the line with about 15 seconds left. The defense showed a blitz so Eli audibled and clearly changed the play. The defense then had plenty of time and made a change themselves: they called the blitz off. I think the end result was a quick incompletion. Everyone loves the theater of the quarterback directing the offense presnap ala Peyton. On the other hand, I think it's that much more of your tells and tendencies on tape come playoff time. In some of Peyton's most monumental postseason losses, it seems like the defenses are all over that.
Like someone else said, Eli's audibles could easily be "dummy calls" just to try and get the defense to adjust their call. I see little downside to getting up to the line with 12-15 seconds on the play clock:
- You can run the play called in the huddle
- You can read the defense and audible
- You can read the defense and "dummy" audible to get them to change their look
- If the D changes their play, you can snap it quickly and try and catch them with guys out of place
- You can still run the play clock down to 3-4 seconds (or more if you prefer) to control the clock and slow things down
- You can snap it quickly before the D is set
The biggest downside is more when you have an Eagles like offense rather than what Peyton has always run or what the Giants seem to be running this year and that is when you consistently snap the ball with 15 seconds on the play clock. Then you risk a very quick drive and can wear out your defense.