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Not feeling great about the skins game

giantgiantfan : 9/22/2014 4:48 pm
I think this Skins team is underrated. They dropped a close game at home against a good Philly team and lost to a Texans team on the road that had Clowney and Foster playing. We don't get the opportunity of playing a one dimensional team like we did on Sunday.

We go on the road against a top 10 rushing team (31 attempts p/g for 135 yards p/g) and a top 5 passing team (40 attempts p/g for 308 p/g). That's a nice balanced offense and Cousins is certainly more than a game manager. The Giants defense hasn't been blown out and I don't think the Skins are the team that's going to do it. Our defense looked good Sunday, but will get more of a challenge this week.

On defense they are down some players, but they absolutely shut down McCoy Sunday. They are a top 5 defensive unit against the run (64.7 yard per game). Foster rushed for 103 on them while every other running game has been a no-show. Our offensive line showed something finally Sunday which is encouraging, but it may have troubles here running the ball. The passing D does suck (bottom 10) and I'm not sure what kind of pressure they've been getting on the QB though they do have 10 sacks so they are doing something right there.

I'd think the Giants should try and open up the run game via short passes so the Giants can call their offensive plays at will. On defense I get the feeling they are going to torch us for at least 2 big touchdowns. Need to pressure Cousins big time and not let Morris get going. At this point in the season I'd hope the strange turnovers the Giants have had (special teams, unforced fumbles) are over.

Do we get Beason back? I thought McClain filled in fine. What about safety? Whats going on with Stevie Brown? Outside of Beason we appear healthier than them which is a plus. Still, this game has the feel of a primetime Giants let down turned BBI implosion.
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i think they feel the Giants are underrated too  
mattlawson : 9/22/2014 4:50 pm : link
should be a great game.
The Skins are underrated?  
TheManUpstairs : 9/22/2014 4:54 pm : link
They lost to Houston.

Their best DB is out for the year.

And a person who reviews your posts could easily conclude that you don't exactly bleed Giant blue.
They played in Philly.  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2014 4:55 pm : link
..

But I do agree, that they are a better team then in past years. I think this game can go either way.
home team on short week?  
kepler20 : 9/22/2014 4:56 pm : link
enormous advantage.
These "top 5"  
bjwilleatyou : 9/22/2014 4:56 pm : link
rankings don't mean anything

We're three games into the season

Wait a few more games and the top-5 in every stat will be completely different than the way it looks now
Giants 45  
Randy in CT : 9/22/2014 4:58 pm : link
Skins 3.
RE: The Skins are underrated?  
giantgiantfan : 9/22/2014 5:02 pm : link
In comment 11876907 TheManUpstairs said:
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They lost to Houston.

Their best DB is out for the year.

And a person who reviews your posts could easily conclude that you don't exactly bleed Giant blue.


If bleeding blue means delusional, then no.
The Giants are a snowball gaining power as it rolls down a hill  
steve in ky : 9/22/2014 5:02 pm : link
At least that is how I choose to view them and their new offense and how I expect it to improve exponentially as the season progresses.

That said I certainly wish that RG3 hadn't gone down. I think it will me a much harder game with Cousins as the QB.
Washington  
fadeproof : 9/22/2014 5:06 pm : link
sure they ran up lots of yards against the worst team in the NFL in Jacksonville and Philly who has a suspect defense at best. Good for them. Also as good as Cousins you realize that he is only 1-5 in games that he has started (including the last five he has started he has lost).

Also they are banged up, especially on D with Cofield, Hall out. Add Hatcher dealing with a hamstring and possible suspensions regarding the brawl they had with Philly and their defense is a mess.
Who said Philly is good?  
rsjem1979 : 9/22/2014 5:07 pm : link
They're the only team that hasn't absolutely murdered the Jaguars from the opening kickoff, and were given a gift win in Indy.

They're an inch from being 1-2.

As for the Redskins, their defensive front could pose some issues, but their 10 sacks are all against one team - those Jaguars again. They had none in Houston and none yesterday, mostly because yesterday they geared up to stop McCoy and got shredded by Foles. And their secondary sucks even more now with Hall done for the year.

They're not underrated. They're properly rated - average at best. Beatable. Ordinary.
They have a ton of talent on offense, but the Jags and Eagles  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 9/22/2014 5:07 pm : link
have given up a lot of points in their other games too. The Skins might be the only team with worse special teams unit than the Giants.

Their defense has stopped the run, but their pass defense has been poor. They have no sacks outside of the Jacksonville game. Their secondary is banged up.

There's going to be opportunities to score points. I think this game will be a lot like the Chicago game last year... it will be their for the taking if the offense avoids screw-ups.
A lot of people didnt feel good prior to the Texans game, too  
Giantology : 9/22/2014 5:08 pm : link
I like it. Keep it up.

The Giants will be fine. Hoping we get back to .500 on Thursday!
Donnell is going to look like Jimmy Graham against that secondary  
jcn56 : 9/22/2014 5:09 pm : link
There's only one prediction for the Skins, PAIN:

It's bizarre  
Greg from LI : 9/22/2014 5:13 pm : link
People have been so eager to be afraid of the Redskins for no apparent reason for many years now. Laughable.
Didn't realize all 10 sacks were in a single game.  
giantgiantfan : 9/22/2014 5:13 pm : link
Figured they were spread out somewhat. That's nice to hear. Good stuff, I still think they can do some things on offense.
RE: It's bizarre  
giantgiantfan : 9/22/2014 5:14 pm : link
In comment 11876943 Greg from LI said:
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People have been so eager to be afraid of the Redskins for no apparent reason for many years now. Laughable.


And not so eager to drink Giants kool-aid anymore.
Good for you  
Greg from LI : 9/22/2014 5:15 pm : link
That's got fuck all to do with the Redskins being a shitty team, which they are.
Greg, how's their run defense,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2014 5:19 pm : link
specifically their LBs with Gletch gone?
Gletch=Fletch  
Big Blue '56 : 9/22/2014 5:19 pm : link
.
The Eagles O line has been injured  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/22/2014 5:20 pm : link
yet the Redskins didn't get a sack on Foles. That's almost as surprising as the Redskins shutting down McCoy. Still, they did give up 34 points, and now their best corner is out for the year. If the Giants can bring pressure like they did yesterday, they win by 14.
It's ok  
Greg from LI : 9/22/2014 5:23 pm : link
I didn't watch the Eagles game, so I don't know what happened there. Arian Foster ran well against them, and Jax is Jax so there's little to be learned there. LBs are pretty nondescript.
The Tick Tock Diner  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/22/2014 5:23 pm : link
Strikes Again!


Go Giants - Yeah Baby!!
Big Blue!!
Skins will be lucky to win 7 games  
oipolloi : 9/22/2014 5:26 pm : link
they are not a good team


that said, Giants lost twice to an even worse Skins team in 2011, so you never know what is going to happen
I don't get the worries about the Skins either  
BillT : 9/22/2014 5:27 pm : link
They could win but so could any team. They have some very good talent on the offensive skill positions. Cousins is probably an upgrade to RG III. Otherwise, I don't think they have the talent the Giants do. And with their top DB going down it really gets bad in their secondary.
Think we are  
TMS : 9/22/2014 5:30 pm : link
showing improvement in leaps and bounds. Skins are in for a big surprise.
giantgiantfan:  
mrvax : 9/22/2014 5:40 pm : link
When poster Rich-Houston wrote the same exact thread about losing to the Titans, this was my response:

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BTW Rich:
mrvax : 9/21/2014 10:38 am : link : reply
Today the Giants are going to rip off the Texans' heads and shit down their throats. Bet on it.


Now here's for you, ye of little faith:

BTW giantgiantfan:

Thursday the Giants are going to rip off the Redskins' heads and shit down their throats. Bet on it.
56, Greg  
GMANinDC : 9/22/2014 5:41 pm : link
The addition of Hatcher..he command a double and clogs the middle..He suffered a hamstring injury and might be slowed. That will be a test for Walton..

McCoy was dancing all game..he didn't hit the whole hard at anytime and was stacked up a lot..I think he missed a yards dancing in the backfield. That being said, they have been pretty good against the run with Hatcher..

The LB'er is non-factor and they have Fletcher's replacement in Keenan Robinson..They have no one to play in space against TE's and slants..

Secondary is the biggest weakness.. They have 2nd year player Amerson who has been beat a few times and have to star they're 4th rod draft pick Breeland on the other side with Hall's absence..Merriweather is a head hunter and Clark is very slowed..

The NYG might not have a big running game against them, but i think the short passes and hurry up is going to to kill them..

Oh, and their special teams suck..Big Time..

The line is also weak..They cannot run block well or Pass protect will..Houston line ate them up..Philly has no one to pressure them..

Speaking of lines, Philly lost most of them during the game and before..They had about 4 new guys playing and they still did not give up a sack..
RE: RE: The Skins are underrated?  
ed90631 : 9/22/2014 5:45 pm : link
In comment 11876918 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 11876907 TheManUpstairs said:


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They lost to Houston.

Their best DB is out for the year.

And a person who reviews your posts could easily conclude that you don't exactly bleed Giant blue.



If bleeding blue means delusional, then no.


Let me start by saying thank you for your analysis. It seems like you put some thought into it unlike some of the replies. Let me also say I wholly disagree. I watched both the Giant's and the Skin's game yesterday and could only reach the conclusion that the Giants are the better team.

The Giants shredded a team that beat the Skins very recently while the Skins blew an early lead to lose to Philly while losing key players to injury. While the outcome may not be a foregone conclusion, I have think Giants fans should be very confident of victory on Thurs.
Watched the foreskins avidly,  
oldog : 9/22/2014 6:06 pm : link
since they would play G-Men in three days. They surprised against the run, porous against pass. Overall a weaker team that, like Houston, we should take unless our team, as we know they sometimes do, follow the Plaxico tradition with determination and take aim at their own legs and feet, as they did in week two, and for a while in game three. Thought for just a bit there that Conor and Eric might just be right.
They  
AcidTest : 9/22/2014 6:10 pm : link
are really banged up. Cofield is on short term IR. Hall is out for the season. Merriweather did not look good on Sunday. Hatcher says he'll play, but hammies are tricky (see Beckham, Odell). Not sure if Baker will be suspended. They also lost a guard, Louvau (sp?), who probably won't play on Sunday. And no Jordan Reed.

I do like Cousins, their WR, and of course Morris. Cousins can also scramble. Given that Fitzpatrick gave us fits in that regard, we need to maintain contain. On defense, Kerrigan is a good player. Orakpo is overrated. Their secondary is weak IMO. Key will be whether they have to blitz to try and get to Eli.

We have an excellent chance to win this game.
Eli,  
oldog : 9/22/2014 6:13 pm : link
whatever coast, should shred them, but we have to show up.
RE: home team on short week?  
Seventh Spiel : 9/22/2014 6:19 pm : link
In comment 11876911 kepler20 said:
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enormous advantage.


This idea gets tossed out there quite a bit. But is the home field advantage really greater because of the short week? Not, according to the linked article, if you look at the Thursday results dating back to 1970.
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game is winnable  
newmike2 : 9/22/2014 6:36 pm : link
just like all the rest are except this Redskins team has a talent level close the the Giants. The league now has a few more quarters of Cousins film and they really got dinged up in their last game. The Redskins strength is the Giant's weakness and vice-verse...
IMO, it will depend on who doesn't eff-up the specials too badly. It will turn on a return or an OTB kick or a bad snap/hold.

Thursday night road games are tough to win  
ZogZerg : 9/22/2014 6:42 pm : link
Hoping skins are warn out from their battle on Sunday
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/22/2014 6:52 pm : link
Skins are a mash unit right now.
it  
Les in TO : 9/22/2014 7:08 pm : link
will be a close game; there will be some regressions/drops/turnovers leading to easy skins points, but also more of what we saw last weekend with moving the ball well and sustaining long drives. giants will pull it out in the 4th 27-17, but i expect they will start slow and behind quickly.
need pressure rush  
mdc1 : 9/22/2014 7:20 pm : link
on Cousins..
To me  
geemanfan : 9/22/2014 7:23 pm : link
I look at more who the Giants faced . A Detroit team who just held Rodgers under 200 yards and Lacey to 36 yards rushing. A Cards team who is now 3 and 0 who just beat the 49rs with the same back up QB . Sure you can downgrade the win because the Texans were without Foster but not the fact that we moved the ball up and down the field against their Defense that has played pretty well.
RE: need pressure rush  
SGMen : 9/22/2014 7:25 pm : link
In comment 11877113 mdc1 said:
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on Cousins..
Pressure will key our win!
Couple of points on Skins game  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2014 7:39 pm : link
First, with D. Hall out they are really thin and inexperienced in secondary. Amerson is a pretty good CB but only a second year player and opposite him they have nobody. And this only makes the slot CB that much weaker too when we go with multiple WR packages.

Beatty and Pugh have to hold up versus Kerrigan and Orakpo, and if they do then Eli should have a good day. But he typically does not versus the Skins for whatever reason.

Beason is important because Morris is a load and our LBs still remain weak.

And London Fletcher (Giant killer) is finally gone!
This is a division game  
JOrthman : 9/22/2014 7:44 pm : link
throw out the records and what has happened the previous games. This could go either way, but matchup wise, removing the division aspect of it, you'd say the advantage goes to the Giants.
This is a big game for the Giants.....  
Doomster : 9/22/2014 8:29 pm : link
On the road, a divisional game.....

We have seen this team get better each week......will it continue? Even if it does, we may or may not win....you can play well, but sometimes that other team plays just a little better.....

This team could be in for a let down, on the road, in a short week.....Chances are, it may be the team that has the ball last, that wins this one.....hope it's the Giants....
I like our chances  
CT Charlie : 9/22/2014 8:44 pm : link
as long as we're patient and disciplined and make them earn their points. An aggressive pass rush would be nice.
RE: The Skins are underrated?  
chris r : 9/22/2014 9:38 pm : link
In comment 11876907 TheManUpstairs said:
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T

And a person who reviews your posts could easily conclude that you don't exactly bleed Giant blue.


Thanks McCarthy.
Just wow  
George : 9/22/2014 11:00 pm : link
Win one game and all of sudden we're a force to be reckoned with. I just don't get BBI sometimes.

In today's NFL you can't underestimate anyone - Washington included. Cousins has been playing well. They have an excellent running game. They can rush the passer from the edge. And they've been playing well against the Giants the last few years.

Are the Skins a good team? No. They're 1-2.

Are the Giants? No. They're 1-2.

It's all going to come down to who can run the ball best.


It's all subjective at this point  
blueblood'11 : 9/23/2014 7:50 am : link
It's really hard to tell how good either one of these teams really are. Only time will tell. Whether the Giants win or lose this game it's tough to say. Both teams have to deal with a short work week and the fact the Skins are coming off a tough loss and Giants have gained some much needed momentum and are fresh off a good win could play in their favor.
What evidence is there of this??  
Greg from LI : 9/23/2014 7:53 am : link
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They can rush the passer from the edge


All of their sacks on the season came in the Jacksonville game. Big ol' goose egg for the Eagles and Texans games.
RE: Just wow  
jcn56 : 9/23/2014 8:05 am : link
In comment 11877473 George said:
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Win one game and all of sudden we're a force to be reckoned with. I just don't get BBI sometimes.

In today's NFL you can't underestimate anyone - Washington included. Cousins has been playing well. They have an excellent running game. They can rush the passer from the edge. And they've been playing well against the Giants the last few years.

Are the Skins a good team? No. They're 1-2.

Are the Giants? No. They're 1-2.

It's all going to come down to who can run the ball best.



You must not get it all the time, since this one isn't hard to figure out.

Not many people are suggesting we're a force to be reckoned with. At the same time, most people feel the same about Washington. So if we suck, and they suck - why exactly should we be concerned over facing them?
I worry about every game.  
Beezer : 9/23/2014 8:09 am : link
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Washington's secondary is horrendous.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/23/2014 8:38 am : link
I get the impression that people are thinking they're a good team. They're not.
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