Eli at 70.1% completion rate for last two games -

in this kind of offense. In KG's offense, which depended on deep passes, Eli was never going to have a high % (just to be clear, not a knock on KG at all).

And this is his 10th year in the league?

Nassib.

says the BBI Eli Haters Club.

I think Eli has played really well the last two games. The OL has shown improvements and hopefully they'll continue to jell.

Also hoping that ODB gets healthy and stays healthy. He will have a big impact on this O if he ever sees the field.

Yeah Baby!!!

the highest of his career.
It will be interesting to see if he can keep it up once defenses get enough film on what the Giants do.

I was down on Eli after preseason and the Lions game. I grew tired of trying to defend him to others. He has really played great the last couple of games. I think this offense will completely rejuvinate his career. It is very refreshing to see the crossing underneath routes and wide open receivers compared to Eli having to constantly throw into tight windows in Gilbrides offense.

this year. 26 above 60%, 14 above 65%.
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it appears Eli is rapidly gaining more confidence in this offense. His persona at the line of scrimmage vs Houston seemed very different than in the first two games. Hopefully it can continue.

I think having RBs that can catch the ball out of the backfield with regularity and success (as Roger Craig did for years in Walsh's WCO) will be among the keys to the Giants overall success this year.

In comment 11878167 damdevs said:

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says the BBI Eli Haters Club.

No one says that. Stop creating strawmen.

it looks like his motion or grip has been changed.

I hope some of you crying about the o-line watched the game last night. Both of those qb's took a lot of hits last night.

Is 14th now. I assume most QBs have a higher completion % in the first half of the season?

Qbs can take hits from game to game, but when it continues over seasons it takes it toll.

harder to throw, harder to catch, try to run more, etc.

Any other QB's having nice years

statistically (rating, passing %, TD/INT)

We have what, 11 drops?

he knew exactly where he was going with the ball on most plays

Would love to see him keep it up...and then all those back-slapping clowns on ESPN or whatever can go get fucked

In comment 11878185 chris r said:

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In comment 11878167 damdevs said: Quote: says the BBI Eli Haters Club. No one says that. Stop creating strawmen.

Says the contrarian. LMAO....

that the Giants will win the NFC East.

This guy is like Nostradamus...

and the garbage time INT against the Cards.

In comment 11878235 speedywheels said:

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In comment 11878185 chris r said: No one says that. Stop creating strawmen. Says the contrarian. LMAO....

No Chris is right actually. One of the lamest ongoing types of posts on this board are the utterly hackneyed "-BBI" posts where someone will act as if there is some consensus on a given topic because he read it a handful of times. Or in some cases, like in this one, they'll straight up fabricate the existence of a position, knock the strawman down with a "but BBI told me", then bask in an illegitimate "see I was right all along" display.

Completely predictable.

In comment 11878185 chris r said:

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In comment 11878167 damdevs said: Quote: says the BBI Eli Haters Club. No one says that. Stop creating strawmen.

Chris R....while I joke in jest, it's obvious that you don't read BBI enough. People, not all obviously, hammer Eli on this website unmercifully. He take more shots than a freak'n piñata at a 10 year olds birthday party.

but the faux signing of threads

"- BBI"

is as funny as the other ones that get posted. i chuckle at them all the time. its all for fun gang, lets not micro-analyze our source of enjoyment here. we dont want our worlds colliding now do we?

who some say plays with training wheels on, I thought Pugh looked good against the best DE in football right now. Anyone still crying about that selection, or that our o-line is devoid of talent, etc, etc???

Eli's completion average would be down. I say that in jest because posters bring up the drop issue and overlook the passes that were not on the mark but were caught through great effort. Accurate passes alow for YAC

Eli takes more shots here because he is the QB who gets the majority of the praise when they win. Eli also gets paid to cumulatively pay for 12 other team players so he does get examined under the microscope

eli would be at 71% through 3 games. and if you noticed, the OL has been playing better the last 2 games. Also, Richburg looks really good. Schwartz is going to have to take over RG.

go back to his old footwork the last 2 games

i dont care if he throws 50% or 70%

what's our record.

In comment 11878330 kepler20 said:

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i dont care if he throws 50% or 70% what's our record.

Given the drops, special teams fuckups, etc., this is not a pertinent question for this specific topic.

I love that Eli has the oppty to get into a rhythm early in the game... that not every pass play is a 7 step drop requiring the OLine to hold the D for any longer than necessary.

Eli is smart. Give him time to scan the Defense, and give him the oppty to get rid of the ball quickly and with multiple depth options and this should continue.

That said, he still eschews the shorter option way too often in favor of the longer/harder to complete pass.

And will continue to flourish if protected by the OL.

In comment 11878316 mamamia said:

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Eli takes more shots here because he is the QB who gets the majority of the praise when they win. Eli also gets paid to cumulatively pay for 12 other team players so he does get examined under the microscope

What you and other people who like to hammer Eli don't get is that this is a QB driven league. So complaining that Eli gets paid X amount of dollars is just plain short-sighted. Who cares what the guy makes. Is it your money?

The NFL is about the haves and the have not’s. What part of the NYG being one of the 32 teams in the league that are in the "HAVES" category don't you understand? I can name at least 20-25 teams that would love to have Eli as their QB. He’s a 2 time SB MVP and winner. He's a winner, what part of that don't we get?

The last time I checked there's only 2 other QBs that are currently playing in the NFL that can say that. Brady and Big Ben...just to save you the time.

So if you want the RG3, Geno Smith's, Tannehill's, Romo's, EJ Manual's, Culter's, River's, Alex Smith's....of the world go root for those teams.

Seems to me that increased completion percentages have been a systemic issue doing with the movement of the game toward an enhanced passing game. Specifically, the emphasis on limiting defenders from contact with the receivers.

I'd be curious as to completion percentages league wide for the first 3 games versus the past five years.

In comment 11878182 ChathamMark said:

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this year. 26 above 60%, 14 above 65%. Link - ( New Window )

Must be all the PI calls taking away incompletions.

In comment 11878185 chris r said:

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In comment 11878167 damdevs said: Quote: says the BBI Eli Haters Club. No one says that. Stop creating strawmen.

Exactly! But we knew that was coming. Anyone who criticized Eli when he was playing badly is automatically a "hater", no matter whether or not the criticizm was valid. Now he has played great and I have no doubt all the so called haters are thrilled.

he could put up Brees, Peyton, and Rodgers numbers.

There is nothing wrong with criticizing a player when they are not playing well. The problem with Manning is for nearly the last three years the OL has not protected him well. When a qb is not protected well for that length of time it clouds the whole picture. Lazy analysis says "eli sucked", but sometimes it's worth looking a little deeper.

In comment 11878182 ChathamMark said:

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this year. 26 above 60%, 14 above 65%. Link - ( New Window )

this is what happens when you have a 2010's offense vs 1980's offense.

In comment 11878822 crick78 said:

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There is nothing wrong with criticizing a player when they are not playing well. The problem with Manning is for nearly the last three years the OL has not protected him well. When a qb is not protected well for that length of time it clouds the whole picture. Lazy analysis says "eli sucked", but sometimes it's worth looking a little deeper.

Its equally lazy to just say blame all of Eli's struggles on other players playing poorly.

He's played very well these past 2 weeks. Let's just hope it continues.

In comment 11879166 SanFranGiantsFan said:

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He's played very well these past 2 weeks. Let's just hope it continues.

I'm very optimistic about Eli and this new offense.

A qb not being protected and not playing well usually go hand in hand, no? That's the point. In football you depend on others to do their job so you can do yours. What did i say that wasn't true? If you want your qb to play well you must protect him.

always understood that Eli's stats were never as good as other top QB's was primarily due the offensive system he ran.
It's a heck of a lot more likely to complete a short pass than a long one over time.

I'm not surprised his completion % is way up. When Gilbride retired I was hoping and praying a new OC would install s system where it was easier to keep the chains moving and that may mean a bit of WCO.

which is 71.8%. Plus there were several drops and the controversial INT. He is inching up towards 70% for the season - 66.9%. I know these are just stats and the W's are more important, but still ...