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NFT: Olbermann: Derek Jeter Isn't The Greatest Player Ever

chris r : 9/24/2014 1:42 am
He's not wrong.
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he's not even close  
MookGiants : 9/24/2014 1:44 am : link
to being the best Yankee ever never mind the Greatest Player Ever.
SFW  
Phil in LA : 9/24/2014 2:03 am : link
He won a bunch of rings and is the all time Yankeee SS.
Olbermann is spot on  
phil in arizona : 9/24/2014 2:23 am : link
I think Jeter deserves some blame for maybe being a bit too full of himself and putting himself before the team.

That being said, management keeps hitting him 2nd. Management keeps playing him at SS. Management gives him the ridiculous legacy contracts after his prime. Management allows the farewell tour.

Who's the employee and who is the employer?
here we go with the Jeter hate  
Jints in Carolina : 9/24/2014 2:28 am : link
guy was a fucking class act for 20 years and now he's going to get shit on.
oh and Keith Olbermann can go suck a fat one  
Jints in Carolina : 9/24/2014 2:29 am : link
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Saying  
MookGiants : 9/24/2014 2:31 am : link
he's not the Greatest Player ever is shitting on him?
the whole farewell  
MookGiants : 9/24/2014 2:36 am : link
tour has left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. The Yankees are mostly to blame for that but the stuff has been so over the top I don't blame people for being annoyed by it. I don't care either way, I like Jeter but never have and never will absolutely love him as everyone knows. I appreciate all he has done for the Yankees and he is definitely a class act but I can definitely do without a lot of this stuff but I blame the Yankees for most of that, not him. All they care about is making a buck. I'll be there Thursday night, taking my mom who might be his biggest fan. Mo and Bernie are still my 2 favorite Yankees by far.
RE: Saying  
Jints in Carolina : 9/24/2014 2:51 am : link
In comment 11879134 MookGiants said:
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he's not the Greatest Player ever is shitting on him?


not your comment. just now here we go with the backlash
sorry  
MookGiants : 9/24/2014 3:04 am : link
didn't read the one you were talking about originally
The farewell tour hasn't annoyed people who are actually  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 9/24/2014 4:54 am : link
fans of his. I really don't give a shit if it's bothered anyone who isn't, including the growing class of media and internet hipster douches conditioned to hate anything and everything. 95% of people already know he isn't the greatest player ever... thanks for the completely unnecessary newsflash. However, he's one of the 3 best players at his position over the past 100 years. He won 5 titles for one of the most popular and well-known franchises in sports. Is the patch over the top? Absoultely, but I don't think any other part of this is for a player of Jeter's stature.
RE: The farewell tour hasn't annoyed people who are actually  
Jints in Carolina : 9/24/2014 5:10 am : link
In comment 11879147 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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fans of his. I really don't give a shit if it's bothered anyone who isn't, including the growing class of media and internet hipster douches conditioned to hate anything and everything. 95% of people already know he isn't the greatest player ever... thanks for the completely unnecessary newsflash. However, he's one of the 3 best players at his position over the past 100 years. He won 5 titles for one of the most popular and well-known franchises in sports. Is the patch over the top? Absoultely, but I don't think any other part of this is for a player of Jeter's stature.


+1000
if I could start a team with any player in history in their  
gtt350 : 9/24/2014 5:26 am : link
prime (not incl pitchers) i'm going Willie Mays 5 tool player
Just because he isn't wrong  
djm : 9/24/2014 6:06 am : link
Doesn't mean the article isn't a huge waste of time and space.

No one ever claimed that Jeter was the best player ever or even the best Yankee ever. But he is a living legend and one of the best NY athletes to come along. And he's definitely one of the best shortstops ever, if not the best ever.
The farewell tour sucks  
djm : 9/24/2014 6:09 am : link
But you can bet that the Yankees are to blame for all this crap, not Jeter.

Yanks sold out long ago but this shit goes well beyond all that. Christ they are selling off jeter's jerseys in between innings. Why not sell off his pre game dump while they are at it.. Someone would buy it.
Jeter is not the best SS ever, good lord  
gtt350 : 9/24/2014 6:20 am : link
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A-Rod , Ossie Smith to start  
gtt350 : 9/24/2014 6:21 am : link
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Willie Randolph and Graig Nettles  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/24/2014 6:26 am : link
Don't belong in the same sentence with Derek Jeter.. I stopped the video right there.
You'd take Ozzie smith over Jeter ????  
djm : 9/24/2014 6:32 am : link
You're a fool if you draft Ozzie over Jeter when starting a team. Ozzie was the best defensive ss... Big difference.

Arod??? Sure he was the best, before he turned into a broken down a weirdo.

Tell you what you draft Arod and I'll draft Jeter and let's see where each team stands ten years later.
You can definitely make a legit case  
djm : 9/24/2014 6:35 am : link
That Jeter is the best complete SS ever. When you add up everything he brought to the team it's hard to ignore his value. He wasn't the best hitting SS. Wasn't the best fielding SS. Didn't have the most power or speed. Didn't play the most consecutive games. But overall he might very well be the safest pick at SS. He was the perfect player for this team and era.
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buford : 9/24/2014 6:39 am : link
On the other hand  
Peter from CT : 9/24/2014 6:51 am : link
Olbermann is up there on the list of "Greatest Dick that Ever Lived".

What a jackass.
Olberman is a raging douche, of course...  
Rob in NYC : 9/24/2014 7:01 am : link
And Jeter is certainly in the discussion for greatest SS ever...starting with Wagner, you have to look at Ripken, and yes, Smith. ARod suffers from moving off the position (like Banks), but both likely round out the top 10. Larkin is in the top 10 as well.
the greatest player of all time and  
twostepgiants : 9/24/2014 7:08 am : link
The greatest Yankee of all time are

The same thing

In fact the top 4 players in Yankee history and the best 4 players in badeball history are the same thing

And im not a Yankee fan
and the farewell tour isnt new  
twostepgiants : 9/24/2014 7:10 am : link
Bird, Jordan, Kareem all had them

Gretzky too

This wasnt invented for Jeter
what an ass  
ImThatGuy : 9/24/2014 7:10 am : link
Jeter is the greatest baseball player of the past 30 years (perhaps Bonds could give him a run). Olbermann also completely forgets that he is the all-time Yankee hit leader when comparing him to other Yankees.

The man has 5 rings, was the face of an organization (and a sport), let him go out how he wants. Don't chastise him because the organization wants to squeeze every penny out of his image before he's gone.
Jeter's tour, Disneyfied, Steiner-fied and all...  
Dunedin81 : 9/24/2014 7:10 am : link
is not about baseball's keepers of the sacred flame, who resent ANYONE from this era being talked about with whatever Cooperstown legend at whose altar they worship, nor is about the stat guys who can never get over the fact that he was lauded for his defense when their metrics tell them and us that he was mediocre defensively for much of his career, awful for other parts of it. It's about Yankee fans aged 50 and younger (some older) saying goodbye to their own dynasty and its captain. Yankee fans trying to get one last glimpse at a guy who was bigger than any other sports figure they followed over the last two decades, and maybe (thanks crass marketing fucks) get their hands on a piece of it for a mancave or a son's room.
The next time Olbermann say something worth listening to  
BillT : 9/24/2014 7:25 am : link
Will be the first time.
Olbermann doing what he does best  
jcn56 : 9/24/2014 7:32 am : link
Being unlikeable.
Jeter  
Deej : 9/24/2014 7:44 am : link
was not the greatest player of the last 30 years or the best/most complete SS ever (are we forgetting that he was a borderline defensive SS?). Comments like this make Olberman's point -- the celebration of Jeter is totally out of proportion.

All that said, Im not a Yankees fan and I dont really have a problem with the Yankees celebration the crap out of Jeter. The league wide fanboydom is more off putting, but then again Im still trying to figure out why the Mets honored Chipper Jones.

Also, I cant think of Jeter without thinking of that Deadspin piece from earlier this week. Totally ruined the guy to me.
I hope he announces  
Headhunter : 9/24/2014 7:52 am : link
he had so much fun this year that he wants to do it again one more time and sign for another year
Jeter is a great player  
Essex : 9/24/2014 7:59 am : link
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned. His game was aesthetically ugly, with the inside out hits to the opposite fields, and probably is not in the top 50 baseball players off all time.

When kids talk about baseball stars 50 years from now, the way my generations (gen x) wished they saw Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams, etc--I have a hard time believing that people will ever say I wish I saw Derek Jeter play.
twostep  
weeg in the bronx : 9/24/2014 8:00 am : link
An avid baseball fan, I ask who you think are the four greatest players ever?
As to the tour and farewell  
Essex : 9/24/2014 8:02 am : link
if nobody had an issue with Mo's, how can they have one with respect to Jeter. As a Yankee fan, I loved Mo much more than Jeter, but there was no way MO was getting that sendoff and Jeter was not.
Jeter was a borderline SS?  
kmed : 9/24/2014 8:09 am : link
You gotta love it. All you can do is laugh at the hate. Such stupidity.
I'm not sure which post was dumber,  
kmed : 9/24/2014 8:11 am : link
Deej's or Essex's gem.

Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.


Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.
That's quite the strawman Mr. Olberman has  
Wuphat : 9/24/2014 8:12 am : link
constructed for himself to do battle with.
Olbermann is in the Tiki Barber class of sports junkalism  
Giants2012 : 9/24/2014 8:13 am : link
Francesa (despite his faults) wins again.
I liked the farewell tour better when it was called Chipper's.  
GiantFilthy : 9/24/2014 8:15 am : link
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So Essex  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/24/2014 8:15 am : link
Table setters can't be great players? Only 3 and 4 hitters can be great? Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.
Captain Contrarian strikes again  
UConn4523 : 9/24/2014 8:16 am : link
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Who exactly, other than some ridiculous fans here and there actually think Jeter is the best Yankee ever? This is nothing more than a rub it in your face article posted by a rub it in your face poster.
Great player who in his final  
rebel yell : 9/24/2014 8:17 am : link
year has been a bit over-hyped and heavily marketed by every team he's visited to get more people into the seats and provide greatr exposure for MLB. Nothing wrong with that. It's all about money anyway...and Jeter's own line of memorabilia ain't hurting either. I love capitalism!
Not being in the top 50 baseball players  
Rob in NYC : 9/24/2014 8:22 am : link
Of all time (especially if that includes pitchers) isn't really an insult and is an arbitrary and meaningless cutoff.
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GiantFilthy : 9/24/2014 8:25 am : link
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So Essex
JoeyBigBlue : 8:15 am : link : reply
Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.


With 20 years to stat pad, even Chris Woodward could hit those numbers I'm sure.
RE: I'm not sure which post was dumber,  
Essex : 9/24/2014 8:31 am : link
In comment 11879237 kmed said:
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Deej's or Essex's gem.

Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.


Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.


If you did not get what I say, you know nothing about baseball. Teams don't "throw it up there" to the worst hitter on the team. Everyone has a book and where to pitch them. I thought I was talking to a baseball knowledgeable crowd. The point is that nobody every "pitched around him," avoided him, etc because the next guy was usually better. that matters, a lot, when you talk about ranking players of all time, genius.
love the Jeter but hated the farewell tour...  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/24/2014 8:33 am : link
i want to believe he didnt know this was going to happen with the world tour..

oh well
Nobody ever pitched around Jeter  
Rob in NYC : 9/24/2014 8:33 am : link
Sounds like a completely unsupportable statement created to support a point. Meaningless, of course.
love the Jeter but hated the farewell tour...  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/24/2014 8:33 am : link
i want to believe he didnt know this was going to happen with the world tour..

oh well
Let's put it this way  
RetroJint : 9/24/2014 8:34 am : link
If he had played for the Orioles, Blue Jays, Rays, Indians, White Sox, Mariners, Angels, Rangers, Astros, Phillies. Marlins. Expos- Nationals, Brewers, Rockies, D-Backs, Reds & Cardinals, he would have been each team's greatest player of all-time. You better look af his numbers & take a few deep breaths. His net worth vastly exceeds that of Rivera & Bernie Williams. And he didn't hang around for 10 years like Pete Rose slopping out singles to move up on the all-time hit list.

With all of the bullshit with the professional leagues, I, for one, deeply enjoyed this farewell tour. I only wish it could have gone on longer.
RE: So Essex  
Essex : 9/24/2014 8:34 am : link
In comment 11879244 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Table setters can't be great players? Only 3 and 4 hitters can be great? Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.


Table setters can be great players and I said he historically for his position in terms of batting average he is a great player. The point, though, and the one Olberman was making was that he is not one of the great players of all time and this farewell tour is acting like Babe Ruth is leaving baseball. And, yes, the 3 and 4 hitters are much more important because they drive in multiple table setters and their impact on the game is greater.
RE: love the Jeter but hated the farewell tour...  
arcarsenal : 9/24/2014 8:37 am : link
In comment 11879267 GMAN4LIFE said:
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i want to believe he didnt know this was going to happen with the world tour..

oh well


Of course he knew it was going to happen. He signed up for this when he made his announcement in February.

Some of it has been over the top but the dude was a great player and had a great career. He certainly deserves the respect.
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