I think Jeter deserves some blame for maybe being a bit too full of himself and putting himself before the team.
That being said, management keeps hitting him 2nd. Management keeps playing him at SS. Management gives him the ridiculous legacy contracts after his prime. Management allows the farewell tour.
tour has left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. The Yankees are mostly to blame for that but the stuff has been so over the top I don't blame people for being annoyed by it. I don't care either way, I like Jeter but never have and never will absolutely love him as everyone knows. I appreciate all he has done for the Yankees and he is definitely a class act but I can definitely do without a lot of this stuff but I blame the Yankees for most of that, not him. All they care about is making a buck. I'll be there Thursday night, taking my mom who might be his biggest fan. Mo and Bernie are still my 2 favorite Yankees by far.
fans of his. I really don't give a shit if it's bothered anyone who isn't, including the growing class of media and internet hipster douches conditioned to hate anything and everything. 95% of people already know he isn't the greatest player ever... thanks for the completely unnecessary newsflash. However, he's one of the 3 best players at his position over the past 100 years. He won 5 titles for one of the most popular and well-known franchises in sports. Is the patch over the top? Absoultely, but I don't think any other part of this is for a player of Jeter's stature.
RE: The farewell tour hasn't annoyed people who are actually
fans of his. I really don't give a shit if it's bothered anyone who isn't, including the growing class of media and internet hipster douches conditioned to hate anything and everything. 95% of people already know he isn't the greatest player ever... thanks for the completely unnecessary newsflash. However, he's one of the 3 best players at his position over the past 100 years. He won 5 titles for one of the most popular and well-known franchises in sports. Is the patch over the top? Absoultely, but I don't think any other part of this is for a player of Jeter's stature.
+1000
if I could start a team with any player in history in their
Doesn't mean the article isn't a huge waste of time and space.
No one ever claimed that Jeter was the best player ever or even the best Yankee ever. But he is a living legend and one of the best NY athletes to come along. And he's definitely one of the best shortstops ever, if not the best ever.
But you can bet that the Yankees are to blame for all this crap, not Jeter.
Yanks sold out long ago but this shit goes well beyond all that. Christ they are selling off jeter's jerseys in between innings. Why not sell off his pre game dump while they are at it.. Someone would buy it.
That Jeter is the best complete SS ever. When you add up everything he brought to the team it's hard to ignore his value. He wasn't the best hitting SS. Wasn't the best fielding SS. Didn't have the most power or speed. Didn't play the most consecutive games. But overall he might very well be the safest pick at SS. He was the perfect player for this team and era.
And Jeter is certainly in the discussion for greatest SS ever...starting with Wagner, you have to look at Ripken, and yes, Smith. ARod suffers from moving off the position (like Banks), but both likely round out the top 10. Larkin is in the top 10 as well.
Jeter is the greatest baseball player of the past 30 years (perhaps Bonds could give him a run). Olbermann also completely forgets that he is the all-time Yankee hit leader when comparing him to other Yankees.
The man has 5 rings, was the face of an organization (and a sport), let him go out how he wants. Don't chastise him because the organization wants to squeeze every penny out of his image before he's gone.
is not about baseball's keepers of the sacred flame, who resent ANYONE from this era being talked about with whatever Cooperstown legend at whose altar they worship, nor is about the stat guys who can never get over the fact that he was lauded for his defense when their metrics tell them and us that he was mediocre defensively for much of his career, awful for other parts of it. It's about Yankee fans aged 50 and younger (some older) saying goodbye to their own dynasty and its captain. Yankee fans trying to get one last glimpse at a guy who was bigger than any other sports figure they followed over the last two decades, and maybe (thanks crass marketing fucks) get their hands on a piece of it for a mancave or a son's room.
The next time Olbermann say something worth listening to
was not the greatest player of the last 30 years or the best/most complete SS ever (are we forgetting that he was a borderline defensive SS?). Comments like this make Olberman's point -- the celebration of Jeter is totally out of proportion.
All that said, Im not a Yankees fan and I dont really have a problem with the Yankees celebration the crap out of Jeter. The league wide fanboydom is more off putting, but then again Im still trying to figure out why the Mets honored Chipper Jones.
Also, I cant think of Jeter without thinking of that Deadspin piece from earlier this week. Totally ruined the guy to me.
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned. His game was aesthetically ugly, with the inside out hits to the opposite fields, and probably is not in the top 50 baseball players off all time.
When kids talk about baseball stars 50 years from now, the way my generations (gen x) wished they saw Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams, etc--I have a hard time believing that people will ever say I wish I saw Derek Jeter play.
if nobody had an issue with Mo's, how can they have one with respect to Jeter. As a Yankee fan, I loved Mo much more than Jeter, but there was no way MO was getting that sendoff and Jeter was not.
Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.
Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.
Table setters can't be great players? Only 3 and 4 hitters can be great? Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.
Who exactly, other than some ridiculous fans here and there actually think Jeter is the best Yankee ever? This is nothing more than a rub it in your face article posted by a rub it in your face poster.
year has been a bit over-hyped and heavily marketed by every team he's visited to get more people into the seats and provide greatr exposure for MLB. Nothing wrong with that. It's all about money anyway...and Jeter's own line of memorabilia ain't hurting either. I love capitalism!
So Essex
JoeyBigBlue : 8:15 am : link : reply
Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.
With 20 years to stat pad, even Chris Woodward could hit those numbers I'm sure.
Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.
Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.
If you did not get what I say, you know nothing about baseball. Teams don't "throw it up there" to the worst hitter on the team. Everyone has a book and where to pitch them. I thought I was talking to a baseball knowledgeable crowd. The point is that nobody every "pitched around him," avoided him, etc because the next guy was usually better. that matters, a lot, when you talk about ranking players of all time, genius.
If he had played for the Orioles, Blue Jays, Rays, Indians, White Sox, Mariners, Angels, Rangers, Astros, Phillies. Marlins. Expos- Nationals, Brewers, Rockies, D-Backs, Reds & Cardinals, he would have been each team's greatest player of all-time. You better look af his numbers & take a few deep breaths. His net worth vastly exceeds that of Rivera & Bernie Williams. And he didn't hang around for 10 years like Pete Rose slopping out singles to move up on the all-time hit list.
With all of the bullshit with the professional leagues, I, for one, deeply enjoyed this farewell tour. I only wish it could have gone on longer.
Table setters can't be great players? Only 3 and 4 hitters can be great? Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.
Table setters can be great players and I said he historically for his position in terms of batting average he is a great player. The point, though, and the one Olberman was making was that he is not one of the great players of all time and this farewell tour is acting like Babe Ruth is leaving baseball. And, yes, the 3 and 4 hitters are much more important because they drive in multiple table setters and their impact on the game is greater.
That being said, management keeps hitting him 2nd. Management keeps playing him at SS. Management gives him the ridiculous legacy contracts after his prime. Management allows the farewell tour.
Who's the employee and who is the employer?
not your comment. just now here we go with the backlash
+1000
No one ever claimed that Jeter was the best player ever or even the best Yankee ever. But he is a living legend and one of the best NY athletes to come along. And he's definitely one of the best shortstops ever, if not the best ever.
Yanks sold out long ago but this shit goes well beyond all that. Christ they are selling off jeter's jerseys in between innings. Why not sell off his pre game dump while they are at it.. Someone would buy it.
Arod??? Sure he was the best, before he turned into a broken down a weirdo.
Tell you what you draft Arod and I'll draft Jeter and let's see where each team stands ten years later.
What a jackass.
The same thing
In fact the top 4 players in Yankee history and the best 4 players in badeball history are the same thing
And im not a Yankee fan
Gretzky too
This wasnt invented for Jeter
The man has 5 rings, was the face of an organization (and a sport), let him go out how he wants. Don't chastise him because the organization wants to squeeze every penny out of his image before he's gone.
All that said, Im not a Yankees fan and I dont really have a problem with the Yankees celebration the crap out of Jeter. The league wide fanboydom is more off putting, but then again Im still trying to figure out why the Mets honored Chipper Jones.
Also, I cant think of Jeter without thinking of that Deadspin piece from earlier this week. Totally ruined the guy to me.
When kids talk about baseball stars 50 years from now, the way my generations (gen x) wished they saw Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Williams, etc--I have a hard time believing that people will ever say I wish I saw Derek Jeter play.
Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.
Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.
Who exactly, other than some ridiculous fans here and there actually think Jeter is the best Yankee ever? This is nothing more than a rub it in your face article posted by a rub it in your face poster.
JoeyBigBlue : 8:15 am : link : reply
Jeter is a right handed hitting SS with a 310 lifetime batting average, over 1900 runs scored...I guess there's been many of those in baseball history.
With 20 years to stat pad, even Chris Woodward could hit those numbers I'm sure.
Jeter is a great player
Essex : 7:59 am : link : reply
and in terms of batting average for his position, he is an all time great. With that said, Jeter was never a guy that anybody was every scared of, pitched around, or game planned.
Just great stuff right there. Jeter was so bad, teams didn't even care about him. They didn't come up with a gameplan on how they were going to pitch him. They just threw it up there and hoped his ugly swing got out.
If you did not get what I say, you know nothing about baseball. Teams don't "throw it up there" to the worst hitter on the team. Everyone has a book and where to pitch them. I thought I was talking to a baseball knowledgeable crowd. The point is that nobody every "pitched around him," avoided him, etc because the next guy was usually better. that matters, a lot, when you talk about ranking players of all time, genius.
oh well
oh well
With all of the bullshit with the professional leagues, I, for one, deeply enjoyed this farewell tour. I only wish it could have gone on longer.
Table setters can be great players and I said he historically for his position in terms of batting average he is a great player. The point, though, and the one Olberman was making was that he is not one of the great players of all time and this farewell tour is acting like Babe Ruth is leaving baseball. And, yes, the 3 and 4 hitters are much more important because they drive in multiple table setters and their impact on the game is greater.
oh well
Of course he knew it was going to happen. He signed up for this when he made his announcement in February.
Some of it has been over the top but the dude was a great player and had a great career. He certainly deserves the respect.