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Most talented WR in franchise history?

Dave in PA : 9/24/2014 8:29 am
Is it Burress? Sustained success would have to be Toomer, but Burress IMO was the most talented I've very seen play for the Giants. Granted I only started watching in 1993.
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Talent is hard to define  
tomyac : 9/24/2014 10:37 am : link
Homer Jones was better than Plax. Both of them made me nuts with lapses in effort and concentration. Cruz does not need to do much more than remain the same player he has been through the end of his current contract to own most of the Giant receiver records. Receiver has been a historically weak position for the Giants
Good points Osi Oy  
Johnny5 : 9/24/2014 10:47 am : link
Nicks definitely deserves some credit for being a very talented receiver. Wish he didn't develop the issues he did. It seems like (maybe because of injury? Who knows...) he just lost his desire.
Am i the only one  
djm : 9/24/2014 10:47 am : link
Who thinks 2010-2011 nicks may have been a better WR than plax?

Plax made more big plays and he made some plays in huge spots but nicks was the more refined WR in my view.

Remember it was nicks who had the better overall postseason than plax. Plax had the big game in GB. Nicks had a big month.
Homer Jones  
jeff57 : 9/24/2014 10:51 am : link
Shofner, Burress, and Nicks.
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Del Shofner : 9/24/2014 10:53 am : link
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It has to be a current WR  
BillyBoy8384 : 9/24/2014 10:57 am : link
Back in the day the WR's had nowhere near the athletic ability the WR's have now.

Id say Plaxico bc him and Eli were great together and he was very dominating. Anything in his area he was going up and coming down with the ball. Amazing catches. Great big target for Eli to just loft a pass his way, if he was one v one, Plax always won.

But for overall career...the well dressed Amani Toomer....didnt have to worry about him dropping a pass,was great at TD's, first down's, toe tapping. He was probably one of the best WR's to ever keep his feet in boundsalong with Chris Carter. He invented the toe drag(not really) but made it a common thing to do. Made it so that all WR's had to make that part of what they bring to a team, the ability to be able to do it every Sunday. Also a classy guy. Wouldnt sabotage a season by bringing a glock to a club either. Had to throw that in there bc that was a killer for our repeat chances in 08. AMANI TOOMER
Nicks was as good as Burress  
weeg in the bronx : 9/24/2014 10:58 am : link
Ernest grey was as good as Burress.
RE: Nicks was as good as Burress  
jeff57 : 9/24/2014 10:59 am : link
In comment 11879596 weeg in the bronx said:
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Ernest grey was as good as Burress.


Ernest Gray was not as good as Burress. He was pretty good though.
Shofner, Plax, Jones,  
clatterbuck : 9/24/2014 11:05 am : link
Toomer, in that order.
I guess that depends one how you would define a talented WR  
steve in ky : 9/24/2014 11:08 am : link
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It has to be a current WR
BillyBoy8384 : 10:57 am : link : reply

Back in the day the WR's had nowhere near the athletic ability the WR's have now


Many of the wr's who are successful in the NFL today would struggle mightily having to fight through all the grabs, bumps and hits in order to get open if they had to play when contact was allowed until the pass was in the air.

Obviously many would be successful in any era but for many others their game would shrink without being allowed to simply run free.
Earnest gray  
steve in ky : 9/24/2014 11:12 am : link
He had to carry the load during some very lean years without much talent around him and his stats and reputation probably suffered because of it. But I don't think he was as talented as some of the other WR's the Giants have had over the years. He certainly was the best during his tenure and was the one threat we had at the WR position during that time.
First of all  
PaulN : 9/24/2014 11:14 am : link
The list is not as short as some think it is. Del Shofner must be on this list, Homer Jones not only should be on this list, but an argument can be made that he should lead that list. Toomer is another player that makes the list, Lionel Manuel is a player that makes the list, Hakeem Nicks also a player that makes the list, Plaxico Burress is another guy that makes the list. Steve Smith and cruz also make it.

In my opinion, if I had to choose a starting lineup right now, I say Burress and Homer Jones are my wideouts, and Cruz would be my slot reciever, in the old days they were called Flanker backs. At tight end I would put Mark Bavaro, with Bob Tucker and Shockey as the back ups.

The second string would have Del Shofner and Amani Toomer as the wideouts and Steve Smith in the slot. Just one dummy's opinion. I would have Eli, YA Title and Simms as my 3 QB's. In the biggest game and on the biggest stage I have to put Eli as my starter, no doubt about that.
I...  
Bryan : 9/24/2014 11:20 am : link
...would cast my ballot for Toomer if Gifford isn't going to be included in the WR group,otherwise Gifford. Aaron Thomas was underrated/Del Shofner may have been a better acquisition than Tittle - Shofner opened the playing field up which allowed Tittle to utilize all of his options. The Giants have had some very good WRs in their time. Homer Jones was a fun player,a speed demon with some ability - without him we don't acquire Ron Johnson. Walker Gillette and Jimmy Robinson played on bad teams but were talented guys. We are still leaving out a bunch of others. Cruz has a chance to be THAT guy. Beckham? Good topic,Dave.
gotta be Toomer  
YAJ2112 : 9/24/2014 11:21 am : link
you have to have talent to be considered the greatest play action WR of all time.
The most talented?  
Milton : 9/24/2014 11:22 am : link
Without a doubt....
Calloway! - ( New Window )
Homer Jones  
Bubba : 9/24/2014 11:48 am : link
if for no other reason than inventing the spike.
It might have been Sherrard  
Matt M. : 9/24/2014 11:50 am : link
He just didn't drink enough milk as a kid.
Matt, IMO  
Randy in CT : 9/24/2014 11:52 am : link
I wouldn't put him in my top 20. Even if he owned a cow.
When healthy and motivated, Hakeem Nicks was the best ever  
GeofromNJ : 9/24/2014 11:53 am : link
better than Toomer, Burress, Gray, Jones, Shofner. I would rate Toomer second and Gray or Burress third. Simms said of Gray, "Nobody can get open like Ernest". Madden once said of Burress, "In one on one coverage, Plaxico Burress is open on every play."
I thought the most gifted/talented WR  
BSIMatt : 9/24/2014 11:56 am : link
was Nicks in his prime. 5 tool player. I know fans are bitter with him, but to me, Nicks from 2009-2011--I've never seen a more impressive Giants WR.
RE: How far back do you want to go?  
hankb1126 : 9/24/2014 11:58 am : link
In comment 11879274 njm said:
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Del Shofner? Frank Gifford when he played WR? Joe Morrison? Add those to the more recent players already mentioned.


you left off kyle rote
RE: Big Blue underrates  
hankb1126 : 9/24/2014 12:02 pm : link
In comment 11879414 OldPolack said:
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Gifford's abilities. Other than LT he was the greatest player the Giants ever had.


and gifford is also one of only two players that was all pro offense and defense with ollie matson
What about Ron Dixon?  
NYG in NC : 9/24/2014 12:23 pm : link
as far as pure talent I'd go with him.
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arcarsenal : 9/24/2014 12:43 pm : link
At his peak, Nicks.
On overall talent along at his peak? Nicks  
jlukes : 9/24/2014 12:45 pm : link
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Look at these two cuts... anyone see any similarities?  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/24/2014 12:54 pm : link
CUT #1

CUT #2

To me, plays like these are underrated and remarkable (and I'm only referring to from a physical ability standpoint... I know no one underrates the importance of the first one). My answer to the OP's question stands because of moves like this.

We are talking about talent, right? You can not defend against that.
I agree with those that say Nicks  
Danny Kanell : 9/24/2014 1:03 pm : link
at his peak.
Randy  
Matt M. : 9/24/2014 1:05 pm : link
Just talent wise, not production.

But, in my lifetime, I would probably be more inclined to go with Nicks as most talented.
RE: What about Ron Dixon?  
ericnygiants : 9/24/2014 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11879767 NYG in NC said:
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as far as pure talent I'd go with him.


This. Yes.
Too much focus on just the recent players.  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2014 2:08 pm : link
My list:
Homer Jones
Gifford
Plax
Shofner

and then a big drop. Not much talent at WR for the Giants since the 1960's.
Come on guys, everyone knows it's a tie between Darryl Jones and  
David in LA : 9/24/2014 2:09 pm : link
the great Sinorice Moss.

Honestly, I'd say Burress was the most talented, but Nicks was definitely had better production. Still, Plax's game in GB...ask Al Harris about that beatdown he gave him.
Nicks at his peak was better than Plax  
BlueLou : 9/24/2014 3:30 pm : link
IMO.
Joe Jurevicius  
Vin R : 9/24/2014 3:36 pm : link
#whitepower
Not the most talented,  
Darren in TR : 9/24/2014 3:43 pm : link
but I think Steve Smith could've been mentioned along-side Toomer if his career wasn't cut short.
One name i think is getting shorted here is Ike Hilliard  
Aaron in MA : 9/24/2014 5:16 pm : link
Very talented guy. I think if 2000 Ike Hilliard played in todays NFL, he could do some serious damage.

But I think Nicks was the most physically talented WR I have ever seen in a NY uni, closely followed by Plax
Burress was the best talent recently BUT  
Jupiter : 9/24/2014 5:20 pm : link
he didn't always bring his "A" game. Nicks was close but less physically imposing than Burress and, as we now know, he didn't always bring his "A" game either.

If you go back to the 1950s and 1960s, Homer Jones was physically dominant but not necessarily the most talented receiver (not good hands). Morrison was a grinder. Shofner was smooth but not physical. Gifford was very good and pretty talented but I have to go with Kyle Rote from that era. That guy was a great college RB who was robbed of his speed by injuries but he was as good a receiver as you will ever see. He was absolutely loved by his teammates as half the team named at least one of their kids after him.
If you believe in an efficient market, Plax and Ike have to rank high.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/24/2014 5:33 pm : link
I believe Hilliard was the highest pick the Giants have ever spent on a WR. Although he may have been a slight reach at #7, he was enormously gifted. Unfortunately, the injury in his second game left a permanent mark. Plax was chosen #8, by the Steelers.

I hope Beckham earns a place on this list. As the #12 pick, he should.
That I've seen  
Phil in LA : 9/24/2014 5:45 pm : link
was Nicks before he tanked. I'm hoping OBJ is better.
Nicks  
LPete : 9/24/2014 6:08 pm : link
Good gravy, when he was on, he was a joy to behold. Catches in traffic, sideline, could get some serious YAC , blessed with huge mitts. Awesome player. But then, the Bucs game fucked him up .
Barden - because he was tall  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2014 6:26 pm : link
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I liked Steve Smith.  
ed90631 : 9/24/2014 6:29 pm : link
Too bad his career ended early
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SanFranGiantsFan : 9/24/2014 6:33 pm : link
Nicks. And I was convinced for a time he was going to rewrite the Giants record book.
I'll go with those picking Homer Jones.  
yatqb : 9/24/2014 9:07 pm : link
6'2', 215, ran a 9.2 100 yard dash, and had great hands. Tarkenton absolutely couldn't overthrow him, and he'd regularly split the safety and CB on short slants that he'd take in for long TDs. The most physically talented WR we've had in my time rooting for the team, and that goes back to the '50s.
Has to be ...  
Mike in Raleigh : 9/24/2014 10:35 pm : link
without a shadow of a doubt ... Dwight Scales, #88 ... Yep ... He was the VERY BEST!!!! ;)
Plax  
Toastt34 : 9/24/2014 11:39 pm : link
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christian : 9/24/2014 11:50 pm : link
Pure talent alone I still think Mario Manningham coming out of Michigan is most talented I've seen in a generation.

I would have loved to see a healthy, young Manningham in a single read offense. It's easy to say he wasn't smart enough for Gilbride's system which I think isn't true. Some guys can't do and think at the same time, which looked pretty obvious with him. Hell I can't walk and talk at the same time.
Best WR  
jpat54 : 9/25/2014 3:47 am : link
With out no doubt Homer Jones,Toomer,Aaron Thomas,Del Schoffner(sp)
RE: Talented?  
Great White Ghost : 9/25/2014 6:58 am : link
In comment 11879418 Doomster said:
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Those of us that saw Homer, knew he was not famous for running precise routes....he also had dropped a few....but what he had was flat out blazing speed.....if he caught a pass in stride, no one was going to catch him....

Shoftner, was an amazing talent.....from '61-'63, he was flat out unreal.....but I still haven't forgiven him for that dropped pass in the Bears game...

Amani holds most of the Giant receiving records, because he managed to hang around longer than most....while a number one on our team, he would have been a number two on most others....

Nicks looked like he could be something special....but every time he came down awkwardly, you wondered if he was going to get back up....injuries took their toll on him, and I think he reduced his play/effort, to protect himself, and extend his career...

Plax could have been even better, if not for the space between his ears.....

Gifford was a converted halfback, after the hit....I never saw him play when he was a two way player(running back and receiver)....he had just two good seasons as a receiver after the hit...

It's sad that, these are really, the only "great" receivers the Giants have ever had.....they were not known for drafting or trading for great receivers, from the mid 60's on....
"The hit"? Please elaborate for the uninitiated amongst us, if you would, Sir.
Herman Moore  
B in ALB : 9/25/2014 8:18 am : link
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RE: RE: Talented?  
Del Shofner : 9/25/2014 8:24 am : link
In comment 11880655 Great White Ghost said:
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"The hit"? Please elaborate for the uninitiated amongst us, if you would, Sir.


Seriously? Chuck Bednarik ring a bell?

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