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Giants have never played at home on Thursday

MikeN in Ottawa : 9/25/2014 9:07 am
night since the NFLN started this back in 2010. The Giants played in Denver on Thanksgiving day in 2010, did not play a Thursday night game in 2011, were in Carolina in 2012 and Chicago last year. Now in Washington tonight.

The reason I mention this is I believe there is a tremendous advantage to the home team on a short week. Also, is anyone else cheesed off that a very important divisional game is being played on a short week?

They  
dontboobigblue : 9/25/2014 9:10 am : link
did play On Thursday against Dallas after the 2011 Superbowl but it's a different story than these midweek games after a game.

not if they win...no  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/25/2014 9:11 am : link
but if they lose...yea, it will "cheese" me
RE: They  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/25/2014 9:12 am : link
In comment 11880764 dontboobigblue said:
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did play On Thursday against Dallas after the 2011 Superbowl but it's a different story than these midweek games after a game.


Wednesday. They did that due to the Presidential Debates.

I know on BBI it has been mentioned by folks that the Giants have lobbied the league for no home Thursday night games. Traffic concerns I believe was the reasoning.
Dallas has had this as a permanent advantage  
Peter from CT : 9/25/2014 9:14 am : link
in their schedule forever. Short week home game followed by a long week against the next opponent.

Its just ridiculous.
Was thinking about this  
Maximus, Esq. : 9/25/2014 9:20 am : link
Yes - short week against Washington sucks. Would have been much better if our next opponent was Philly or Dallas to offset the short week with a long week against another divisional foe.

Cheer up though, our next short week will be an easier task, we simply have to fly cross country after a Monday night game against the Colts to play a Conference opponent (Seattle) in that hell hole and get royally ass rammed by them.
ugh that 2009 thanksgiving  
area junc : 9/25/2014 9:24 am : link
game was one of the worst games i can remember. that was the pit of the bill sheridan year. remember osi throwing a fit and nobody giving a sh#t - as he got run over?
To be honest, I'm more annoyed  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 9:24 am : link
that the league scheduled a team from NY to play on a Thursday night when that date falls during the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. It would be just one of those things when Sunday naturally falls during the holiday. But, this is a Thursday game, which is not the normal schedule.

NYC (and the asurrounding area) has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel. I find this scheduling disrespectful.
the only  
Giants Stadium7609 : 9/25/2014 9:25 am : link
reason they played at home on thursday in 2008 and wednesday and in 2012 was because they won the super bowl.
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/25/2014 9:26 am : link
Wasn't there a rumor going around that Mara asked the NFL to schedule Mon/Thurs night games on the road as much as possible to alleviate the traffic nightmares weeknight games in the NYC area present?
I believe the Giants  
Blue Baller : 9/25/2014 9:27 am : link
try to get as few home prime time games as possible because the ticket holders prefer sunday day games
Not a smart move by the Giants  
ZogZerg : 9/25/2014 9:31 am : link
It is huge advantage to play at home on these Thursday night games.
Matt -  
Exit 172 : 9/25/2014 9:32 am : link
The Giants have played on Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, and New Year's Eve in recent years. Sometimes they play on holidays. It shouldn't be a big deal, and it certainly isn't disrespectful.
games have been played  
Route 9 in LEH : 9/25/2014 9:34 am : link
on Christmas before
Matt M.  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/25/2014 9:36 am : link
I agree.


Next year they should schedule the Giants vs the Dolphins on roshashana.
As I said  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 9:40 am : link
Regularly scheduled Sunday games on holidays that happen to fall on those days are a different matter. I have less of problem with that, as I stated previously. Although, and I may be in the minority on this, I do not think leagues should be scheduling games on Thanksgiving or Christmas out of respect for the players, coaches, and team personnel.
Exit  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 9:41 am : link
The two main differences, in my opinion, are that this is not a regularly scheduled Sunday game and this holiday is one of the two holiest on the Jewish calndar.
So pick which is more important.  
Exit 172 : 9/25/2014 9:43 am : link
If you can't do both, that's life sometimes.
we're willing to host  
Enzo : 9/25/2014 9:44 am : link
Monday night games so a Thursday night game should be no different. I agree with those that feel it's a big advantage to the tome team, an advantage we've yet to experience.
Enzo  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 9:47 am : link
I agree. At least some of that advantage will be mitigated by Orakpo being hurt and some other injuries on the Redskins.
RE: To be honest, I'm more annoyed  
natefit : 9/25/2014 9:57 am : link
In comment 11880784 Matt M. said:
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that the league scheduled a team from NY to play on a Thursday night when that date falls during the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. It would be just one of those things when Sunday naturally falls during the holiday. But, this is a Thursday game, which is not the normal schedule.

NYC (and the asurrounding area) has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel. I find this scheduling disrespectful.


I found this quite odd as well. NYC Public school are closed for 2 days. Nobody at the NFL bothered to check a calendar>?
I wonder whether the Thursday-homefield edge stands up to scrutiny.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/25/2014 9:58 am : link
Is it really that much bigger than the Sunday home field advantage, when the distances are this small?

I could see it being a big deal if the visiting team had to spend a day traveling. In this case, the Giants' flight is under an hour. Or they can drive in about three hours. Their schedule for this week is pretty similar to Washington's. The Redskins had to make a short trip after their game in Philly, and Giants have to make one before tonight's game. It's a challenge, but as Coughlin said, they've done it enough times to know how to manage it.
Road team is 0-3 this year.  
Victor in CT : 9/25/2014 10:12 am : link
Why would season ticket holders want to go on a Thursday night? I work with 2 long time season ticket holders and they are thrilled that this is a road game. They would have to take the day off to tailgate, and come in exhausted or take another day off on Friday.

I hate it and I'm watching on TV.
I dunno about a game scheduled on the  
BlueLou : 9/25/2014 10:19 am : link
2nd evening of Rosh Hashona can fairly be described as being "disrespectful" to Jews. Considering the NFL has been nice enough to schedule the vast majority of regular season games on Sunday to avoid playing on Shabbat on Saturday, to start with.
NFL plays on Sundays  
PEEJ : 9/25/2014 10:23 am : link
so it won't conflict with college football.
Umm yes they did. First game of the 2008  
jlukes : 9/25/2014 10:25 am : link
after we won the super bowl. I was there.

Thursday Sept 4th
Redskins @ Giants
Link - ( New Window )
We're not going to the Super Bowl, but beating the 'Skins, Eagles, or  
Marty in Albany : 9/25/2014 10:26 am : link
Cowboys always makes me feel better. We may be at a disadvantage, but that is NFL football in the bizarro world of 2014
Thursday Night Home Field Advantage Is A Myth  
Jim in Tampa : 9/25/2014 10:36 am : link
I bought into this myth too until I checked out the numbers.

The NFL incorporated Thursday night games every week in 2012. The record for home teams that year was 8 - 9. (That's right, a losing record.)

Last year (2013) the home teams had a winning record...10-7.

Total home teams record for the two years is 18-16 or if you insist on adding in the first two games this year it's 20-16 (55.5% winning percentage).

I don't have the time to run the numbers for all the other NFL games, but I assume that a 55.5% winning advantage for home teams on Thursday nights wouldn't be much worse than those on Sundays and Mondays.
Missed One Game  
Jim in Tampa : 9/25/2014 10:39 am : link
Forgot to factor in one more Thursday night game this year...also a home team win.

That brings the home team winning total to 21-16 and the winning percentage to 56.8.

(Still not the big advantage that people assume.)
Vistor: I think you can throw out GB at SEA.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/25/2014 10:40 am : link
Full week of practice for the Packers, and a long trip. So it's a different scenario. That leaves PIT@BAL and TB@ATL. Not much of a sample. Last year, visiting teams won 7 of 12 Thursday night games, not counting the opener. Oddly, visitors won 6 of 7 intra-division games. In 2012, visitors were 5-7, and fared worse in divisional games.

Overall, from 2012-2014, visiting teams are 12-14 in TNF non-Kickoff games.

Jim in Tampa: Thanks. Slightly different numbers, same result.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/25/2014 10:46 am : link
I think the perception of a big advantage comes from at least three things:

1) It makes intuitive sense.
2) Coaches and journalists have called attention to the topic over the years.
3) There seems to have been a bigger edge in the early years of TNF.

It might be that teams have adapted their routine to fit the challenges of TNF. Coughlin and Gruden both mentioned this during the week.
RE: Umm yes they did. First game of the 2008  
Big Blue '56 : 9/25/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11880928 jlukes said:
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after we won the super bowl. I was there.

Thursday Sept 4th
Redskins @ Giants Link - ( New Window )


I'm sure the OP knows that(or I believe he does). I wouldn't count a Thursday night game one had an entire offseason to prepare for. In-season is what this is all about, you know, 3 days rest, on the road, albeit nearby..
RE: I believe the Giants  
Giants2012 : 9/25/2014 10:57 am : link
In comment 11880791 Blue Baller said:
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try to get as few home prime time games as possible because the ticket holders prefer sunday day games


lol, yeah right. Besides this season, the Giants have rarely even had 1pm games at home.
Giants opened 2008 at home against Wash 16-7 (Thur)  
jc in c-ville : 9/25/2014 11:07 am : link
No?
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2014 11:09 am : link
The Redskins will have a home field advantage but I don't think it will be quite as big as some of the other Thursday night games. We don't exactly have to travel far and we've been home the last 2 weeks. The Giants haven't had to go much of anywhere since they got back from DET. The travel shouldn't be an issue. We will win tonight.
Giants vs Pats  
Yoda : 9/25/2014 11:41 am : link
Not sure of the year but the Gmen played the Pats at Giants Stadium on a Thursday night in November. First teams to start the Thursday night games. Correct??
Thursday Night Games  
Johnm/Dallas : 9/25/2014 11:54 am : link
Might be good for TV revenue and the fans... but they truly suck for the players and show how little the NFL really cares about their health. I would be thrilled if the Giants never played a Thursday night game again.
BlueLou  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 11:57 am : link
The games are not on Sunday to avoid Shabbat. The NFL schedules on Sunday because the NCAA schedules the bulk of their games on Saturday. Once the college regular season is over, the NFL schedules games on Saturdays.
Even if it was a distinct advantage  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 11:59 am : link
there is always a first time. Look at Arizona this year. We were supposed to have the advantage of a Western team flying East for a 1pm game. How did that work out.
It does strike me odd  
PEEJ : 9/25/2014 12:03 pm : link
that with 32 teams and 16 Thursdays, that they should pick a NY team to play on the Jewish holiday.
PEEJ  
Matt M. : 9/25/2014 12:10 pm : link
That was my only point. I'm not pissed. At one time, I wouldn't even be watching the game, as I was more observant. I freely admit I will watch the game and I freely (and embarassingly) admit that I shouldn't be on the computer now. But, that doesn't change my opinion that it seems a bit odd and a tad wrong to choose to schedule a NY based team for tonight's game.
Yoda  
BIG FRED : 9/25/2014 2:05 pm : link
that was a sunday night in 1987 .It was the first Sunday night football game on espn .
RE: It does strike me odd  
steve in ky : 9/25/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11881151 PEEJ said:
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that with 32 teams and 16 Thursdays, that they should pick a NY team to play on the Jewish holiday.


Other than tradition like the Lions on Thanksgiving I don't think they really sit down and pick teams for certain day, but instead likely put all the required matchups into some type computer program that spits out a schedule.
Same thing happened a few years ago  
PEEJ : 9/25/2014 2:28 pm : link
on a Monday night. They need to put an additional factor into their scheduling system…No Jets or Giants on week nights in September
RE: Same thing happened a few years ago  
Big Blue '56 : 9/25/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11881479 PEEJ said:
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on a Monday night. They need to put an additional factor into their scheduling system…No Jets or Giants on week nights in September


That wouldn't be all that difficult, would it?
RE: To be honest, I'm more annoyed  
eli4life : 9/25/2014 4:32 pm : link
In comment 11880784 Matt M. said:
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that the league scheduled a team from NY to play on a Thursday night when that date falls during the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. It would be just one of those things when Sunday naturally falls during the holiday. But, this is a Thursday game, which is not the normal schedule.

NYC (and the asurrounding area) has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel. I find this scheduling disrespectful.


Imv choose one or the other is as simple as that. They have played games on Christmas and they pay on Thanksgiving. If they don't care that visiting teams have to be away from their families on these days why would the league care if some fans are inconvenienced. The only thing they care about is what's in your wallet.

Plus I think it would open up a van of worms that they don't really want to touch. Also, is not as if the team is Jewish but I'd be willing to bet if there was such a thing as a Jewish team in the nfl and this is how the schedule came out the league still wouldn't change it.
The NFL is in the entertainment business  
PEEJ : 9/25/2014 4:36 pm : link
they should always keep their audience/customers in mind. The Giants and Redskins could just as easily have played next Thursday.

There is no more of an advantage playing at home on Thursday  
ImaGiant86 : 9/25/2014 4:40 pm : link
than if the game was played on Sunday.
I thought Thursday night games for season openers  
bradshaw44 : 9/25/2014 4:43 pm : link
began back around 2006. And I thought we played the Colts at home on a Thursday and fought hard but came up short.
RE: I thought Thursday night games for season openers  
Gmen in 2012 : 9/25/2014 4:53 pm : link
In comment 11881657 bradshaw44 said:
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began back around 2006. And I thought we played the Colts at home on a Thursday and fought hard but came up short.


Nope that was a Sunday night game
I thought Thursday night opener was started  
Fred in Atlanta : 9/25/2014 5:20 pm : link
in 2002 with the Giants playing 49ers, it chosen to have it in New York because of 9/11. The next year Washington hosted it. After that they started with the Super Bowl champion hosting it.
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