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Eli and the play calling

blueblood'11 : 9/26/2014 7:08 am
Almost ninety percent of the time when Eli and the Giants are in formation and Eli starts barking signals as he is looking over the defense there are more then fifteen seconds left on the play clock.

Shoot, when Gilbride was the OC more often then not Eli was still the huddle calling the play. So my question is how does the play calling work? Because most of the time they don't even huddle up.

It's like McAdoo is taking advantage of one of Eli's biggest strengths. Giving him ample time to read the defense and we all said it enough when Gilbride was the OC why don't they go to more no huddle because Eli thrived in that scheme especially when in the two minute drill.

I see him doing a lot of hand signaling. You have to wonder if this offense actually gives Eli more control of who goes where on the field because if they don't huddle how does the rest of the offense know what to do. It just seem like Eli is allowed to do an awful lot more orchestrating out there then I thought he was going to be allowed to do.

However it works it has been pretty awesome the past three games. Especially the last two.





Eli at Ole Miss  
GiantsJ : 9/26/2014 7:20 am : link
called his own plays many, many times. By his senior year, he was said to be calling 80% of the plays. The coaches relied more on what Eli saw at the line, more than the plays that they called. He thrived at doing that and was magnificent.
That's interesting  
blueblood'11 : 9/26/2014 7:35 am : link
It seems like the formation he puts them in dictates to the receivers their responsibilities. But that extra time Eli has to look over the defense I think is proving invaluable.
So what's the verdict?  
River Mike : 9/26/2014 7:38 am : link
Was Gilbrides's system holding Eli back?
Holy crap!  
River Mike : 9/26/2014 7:39 am : link
Did I actually type "Gilbrides's"?
Hah  
blueblood'11 : 9/26/2014 7:42 am : link
Makes you wonder. Truth be told they won two Super Bowls with Gilbride's system. But like many of us used to say why not run more no huddle because Eli thrived in those situations. I think under McAdoo that point seems is being driven home.
He was  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/26/2014 7:54 am : link
Called 'Kill Drive' for a reason.

I think the League passed him by. He couldn't or wouldn't adapt. I always felt he was of the mold..This is who/what we are now stop us. Well the league did but no adjustments were made.
But give a lot of  
OldPolack : 9/26/2014 8:12 am : link
credit to Jr Killdrive, he has the TE's playing like no TE's EVER played as a group. I admit I was wrong about you.
Just a point  
Montreal Man : 9/26/2014 8:26 am : link
Not only did Gilbride get us two super bowls, we were well on our way to a third when Plax shot himself. Until then, 2008 was a great year. We beat both SuperBowl teams and Eli was fantastic.

Not that smart a football guy, but I still don't understand how the offense fell apart like that without Plax. Couldn't some adjustments and changes have been made?

Anyway .... this is a happy, happy day for all of us.
Don't make your Super Bowl reservations quite yet  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/26/2014 8:30 am : link
Washington had a suspect defense to begin with that was hit hard by injuries. And they perhaps were not well prepared for the quick turnaround.

Optimism is warranted, but let's see more. 12 days ago Eli was done and McAdoo was a huge mistake.
RE: He was  
an_idol_mind : 9/26/2014 8:33 am : link
In comment 11884651 Fred-in-Florida said:
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Called 'Kill Drive' for a reason.

I think the League passed him by. He couldn't or wouldn't adapt. I always felt he was of the mold..This is who/what we are now stop us. Well the league did but no adjustments were made.


This argument would hold more merit if Gilbride's system wasn't consistently one of the better offenses in the league until 2013 when the offensive line completely broke down.

It's like people think that the 2007-2012 Giants had all the talent of the 1980s 49ers and would have won five Suepr Bowls if it just hadn't been for that darned Gilbride.
you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves  
HomerJones45 : 9/26/2014 8:33 am : link
Give it another 3 weeks and see how the offense works when DC's have a book on it and have diagnosed its tendencies.
RE: Just a point  
River Mike : 9/26/2014 8:34 am : link
In comment 11884705 Montreal Man said:
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Not only did Gilbride get us two super bowls, we were well on our way to a third when Plax shot himself. Until then, 2008 was a great year. We beat both SuperBowl teams and Eli was fantastic.

Not that smart a football guy, but I still don't understand how the offense fell apart like that without Plax. Couldn't some adjustments and changes have been made?

Anyway .... this is a happy, happy day for all of us.


Well, one of the factors that we witnessed numerous times other than the Plax issue, is that it was very difficult to replace a starting receiver in Gilbride's system because the backup guy was less likely to always have the same reads pre and post snap as Eli. Very hard to have subs play the position at a high or even acceptable level in that system
I said this in another thread.  
arcarsenal : 9/26/2014 8:35 am : link
I think in years past, we were sapping Eli of a key component in letting him actually get a good look at what the D is showing and have time to make checks and move guys around if he has to. This year, we are running the majority of our plays out of the gun which is allowing him to stand back there and survey the field and you can tell that once he has the ball, he already knows exactly where to go with the ball if his first read doesn't look good. He knows exactly where everyone is and he knows where the holes are going to be.

It's a small sample but last night was the kind of play that I had always envisioned Eli being capable of (he's obviously had other great games) and it always seemed like it would never come on a consistent basis and would sometimes disappear for long stretches.

It's early but we may have hit a HR with McAdoo. I think this is exactly what Eli needed.
i was elated to finally, FINALLY see a play action on 1st down  
gtt350 : 9/26/2014 8:58 am : link
inside the 5 yard line. and for TD
For River Mike: At least you don't write " 's " for every plural word  
Jupiter : 9/26/2014 10:28 am : link
and then put it on a sign too !
The reason Plax's injury hurt the team so much  
Section331 : 9/26/2014 10:37 am : link
was that the Giants were so thin at WR. Other than Plax and Toomer, they didn't have anyone who could play worth a damn. Plax commanded a double team, which prevented defenses from stacking the box. Look at the rushing YPG before and after the injury.

While I agree that offenses like KG's are becoming relics in today's NFL, I think it is due to th WNEW practice rules, which give teams less time on the field. That requires simpler offensive schemes.

And Homer is right, the offense looks great now, but let's see how it does when DC's get a handle on our tendencies.
I just love...  
Chris in Philly : 9/26/2014 10:39 am : link
how fast we get the plays in now, and we're playing a faster tempo overall. This is why many of us have longed to see how Eli would do in another more QB-friendly system. He looked like Aaron Rodgers last night. It's awesome.
RE: But give a lot of  
Great White Ghost : 9/26/2014 11:33 am : link
In comment 11884678 OldPolack said:
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credit to Jr Killdrive, he has the TE's playing like no TE's EVER played as a group. I admit I was wrong about you.
I seem to remember Mowatt,Bavaro, McConkey being pretty good.
RE: RE: But give a lot of  
River Mike : 9/26/2014 5:18 pm : link
In comment 11885396 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 11884678 OldPolack said:


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credit to Jr Killdrive, he has the TE's playing like no TE's EVER played as a group. I admit I was wrong about you.

I seem to remember Mowatt,Bavaro, McConkey being pretty good.


Don't want to nit pick, but McConkey wasn't a tight end
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