Zebra's ruled on the field that even though he got two feet down in the EZ, he didn't have the ball long enough to demonstrate possession in the form of a "football move" and qualify for a "catch", therefore a TD hadn't yet occurred when the ball was dislodged back in to the air. Bang bang play coulda gone either way. If they'd called it a TD on the field I highly doubt it coulda been overturned either.
Posted this in another thread, then found this one because it's more suited but
Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.
Posted this in another thread, then found this one because it's more suited but
Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.
They are saying he never had possession of the ball (by not making a football move). To answer your question, 10 steps after the catch, he is in possession of the ball and it's a catch. If it comes out and someone else grabs it before it hit the ground, it's still a fumble because he "had" possession of the ball.
I'm going to add that I was upset that Eli had to eat an interception
but I remind myself that he threw a bad one later that Meriweather should have had. I suppose I could still be upset about it not being a TD but we immediately got the ball back and scored anyway.
Can't remember what season or game, but Shockey caught the ball in the middle of the end zone. He just jumped straight up, landed on two feet and immediately got drilled and fumble, it was ruled a touchdown. Shockey had the ball for probably 1/4 time.
Can't remember what season or game, but Shockey caught the ball in the middle of the end zone. He just jumped straight up, landed on two feet and immediately got drilled and fumble, it was ruled a touchdown. Shockey had the ball for probably 1/4 time.
That was in Seattle, I think it was the same game where our kicker missed a bunch of field goals and we lost in heart breaking fashion
Sometimes things happen too fast for the refs to call things properly even when they're looking right at it. Like all pass plays, TDs on pass receptions have key sequential things about them, but are unique in that the play is supposed to be over the millisecond after the receiver in the end zone catches and has control of the ball and gets two feet down, not depending, as it does elsewhere in the field of play, on whether the receiver retains control until something happens to end the play -- like getting to the ground while retaining possession after being downed or at least touched by an opposing player; later losing control of the ball and fumbling it away, until someone then recovers it; or going out of bounds with the ball. That's it: in the case of a TD, the play is over when the reception is complete and the receiver gets two feet down, as happened in this play last night. But before any ref could absorb and react to those facts and realize that the play was over, action continued: the defender's helmet knocked the ball out. That, too, was something that took a moment for the refs to react to. And they didn't think through what they had just seen (or should have seen), but only the last thing they saw -- the ball popping out. Still the play was over (TD!) and it ought to have been called that way. How this withstood review upstairs -- that is, how the reviewers could conclude that the call on the field (that the play somehow was not over when the ball was caught and controlled with two feet on the ground in the end zone) should be upheld -- is flat out inexplicable.
If Randle catches the ball in the endzone, establishes control, gets two feet down, but then falls down without being hit and the ball comes loose upon hitting the ground, it'd be an incomplete pass, and I don't think we're having this discussion.
So why would the call be different given that Randle had the ball jarred loose by a defender?
The argument is that he was over the plane with possession so it should be a touchdown.
The refs say he didn't make a football move. In the endzone, what kind of football move is he supposed to make?
Something flying under the radar is Jennings dropping a TD the play before.
breaking the plane does not apply here.
Rule book nowadays says explicitly that completing catch in the end zone is the same as anywhere else on the field.
So the thread title doesn't apply.
Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.
Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.
They are saying he never had possession of the ball (by not making a football move). To answer your question, 10 steps after the catch, he is in possession of the ball and it's a catch. If it comes out and someone else grabs it before it hit the ground, it's still a fumble because he "had" possession of the ball.
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Caught the ball, put 2 feet down and a subtle a pause before it was even knocked out of his hands.
The football move they overlooked is called a Touchdown Reception...
That was in Seattle, I think it was the same game where our kicker missed a bunch of field goals and we lost in heart breaking fashion
The rule was different then.
So why would the call be different given that Randle had the ball jarred loose by a defender?
- Second, Eli had to eat an Int that was actually a TD
I get so sick of "non Giant" fans bitching about his picks. Eli's picks are some of the flukiest things.
Yes.
- Second, Eli had to eat an Int that was actually a TD
I get so sick of "non Giant" fans bitching about his picks. Eli's picks are some of the flukiest things.
Totally agree that Eli gets some of the oddest picks going against him. Several already this year...