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Manning's interception?

exiled : 9/26/2014 8:24 am
I had to run an errand during the game and missed that play--and it seems so controversial. Can one of you explain it a little more?
It was a touchdown  
Headhunter : 9/26/2014 8:26 am : link
that only the officials could turn into an interception.
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SamTheTram : 9/26/2014 8:26 am : link
Randle catches the ball in the endzone, two feet down and turns. Gets hit and the ball pops out and is intercepted.

The argument is that he was over the plane with possession so it should be a touchdown.

The refs say he didn't make a football move. In the endzone, what kind of football move is he supposed to make?

Something flying under the radar is Jennings dropping a TD the play before.
see the discussion  
ray in arlington : 9/26/2014 8:28 am : link
under the thread "What did Mike Carey say"

breaking the plane does not apply here.

Opposite of the Greg Jennings/Amukamara TD a couple years ago  
FTLFan : 9/26/2014 8:31 am : link
Zebra's ruled on the field that even though he got two feet down in the EZ, he didn't have the ball long enough to demonstrate possession in the form of a "football move" and qualify for a "catch", therefore a TD hadn't yet occurred when the ball was dislodged back in to the air. Bang bang play coulda gone either way. If they'd called it a TD on the field I highly doubt it coulda been overturned either.
he was IN THE END ZONE!  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2014 8:32 am : link
He caught the ball and put put feet down BEFORE it was knocked out. That was a horrid call.
It is continued persecution of the Giants and their fans. Just like  
Giants61 : 9/26/2014 8:33 am : link
the early Christians were persecuted and thrown to the lions during the opening weekend so were the Giants
RE: he was IN THE END ZONE!  
ray in arlington : 9/26/2014 8:34 am : link
In comment 11884733 Victor in CT said:
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He caught the ball and put put feet down BEFORE it was knocked out. That was a horrid call.


Rule book nowadays says explicitly that completing catch in the end zone is the same as anywhere else on the field.
So the thread title doesn't apply.

I  
540NYFAN : 9/26/2014 9:11 am : link
Posted this in another thread, then found this one because it's more suited but

Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.
Agreed  
Headhunter : 9/26/2014 9:13 am : link
The League Office should overturn it and call it a fumble not an interception. I don't know if they can do that, but they should
RE: I  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/26/2014 9:15 am : link
In comment 11884865 540NYFAN said:
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Posted this in another thread, then found this one because it's more suited but

Football question. But is a fumble only considered when the ball touches the ground? Say a receiver catches the ball from eli and takes 10 steps and the ball comes out and never touches the ground. Is that still an int on Eli's record? Or is that a fumble? I understand a tipped ball would be an int, but I'd consider last night a TD. But if you had to call it redskins ball in any way shape or form id call it a fumble not an int.


They are saying he never had possession of the ball (by not making a football move). To answer your question, 10 steps after the catch, he is in possession of the ball and it's a catch. If it comes out and someone else grabs it before it hit the ground, it's still a fumble because he "had" possession of the ball.
I'm going to add that I was upset that Eli had to eat an interception  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/26/2014 9:21 am : link
but I remind myself that he threw a bad one later that Meriweather should have had. I suppose I could still be upset about it not being a TD but we immediately got the ball back and scored anyway.
I missed it as well...  
Mike in St. Louis : 9/26/2014 9:43 am : link
anybody have a link to the video?
The first thing I thought of was that Shockey touchdown  
Shockwave : 9/26/2014 9:50 am : link
Can't remember what season or game, but Shockey caught the ball in the middle of the end zone. He just jumped straight up, landed on two feet and immediately got drilled and fumble, it was ruled a touchdown. Shockey had the ball for probably 1/4 time.

They couldn't  
Doomster : 9/26/2014 11:15 am : link
call it a fumble, because they said it wasn't a catch, thus it's a deflection/interception......if they called it a catch, it's a td, ....
finally found a video...  
Mike in St. Louis : 9/26/2014 12:06 pm : link
of the interception...
Link - ( New Window )
Ridiculous call. Any ref agreeing to it  
Jimmy Googs : 9/26/2014 12:13 pm : link
should be ashamed of themselves and suspended.

Caught the ball, put 2 feet down and a subtle a pause before it was even knocked out of his hands.

The football move they overlooked is called a Touchdown Reception...
RE: The first thing I thought of was that Shockey touchdown  
MookGiants : 9/26/2014 12:14 pm : link
In comment 11885014 Shockwave said:
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Can't remember what season or game, but Shockey caught the ball in the middle of the end zone. He just jumped straight up, landed on two feet and immediately got drilled and fumble, it was ruled a touchdown. Shockey had the ball for probably 1/4 time.


That was in Seattle, I think it was the same game where our kicker missed a bunch of field goals and we lost in heart breaking fashion
not only did he catch it  
Tom from LI : 9/26/2014 12:30 pm : link
he took 2 steps backwards..
RE: not only did he catch it  
ray in arlington : 9/26/2014 12:35 pm : link
In comment 11885610 Tom from LI said:
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he took 2 steps backwards..


The rule was different then.
Not sure if this has been asked yet but....  
lvkid7 : 9/26/2014 12:58 pm : link
Do you think if the ball didn't get "intercepted" but harmlessly hit the ground at the 1 yard line, that the call would have been incomplete?
It was a  
Phil in LA : 9/26/2014 12:59 pm : link
touchdown.
TD/ Interception  
Percy : 9/26/2014 1:09 pm : link
Sometimes things happen too fast for the refs to call things properly even when they're looking right at it. Like all pass plays, TDs on pass receptions have key sequential things about them, but are unique in that the play is supposed to be over the millisecond after the receiver in the end zone catches and has control of the ball and gets two feet down, not depending, as it does elsewhere in the field of play, on whether the receiver retains control until something happens to end the play -- like getting to the ground while retaining possession after being downed or at least touched by an opposing player; later losing control of the ball and fumbling it away, until someone then recovers it; or going out of bounds with the ball. That's it: in the case of a TD, the play is over when the reception is complete and the receiver gets two feet down, as happened in this play last night. But before any ref could absorb and react to those facts and realize that the play was over, action continued: the defender's helmet knocked the ball out. That, too, was something that took a moment for the refs to react to. And they didn't think through what they had just seen (or should have seen), but only the last thing they saw -- the ball popping out. Still the play was over (TD!) and it ought to have been called that way. How this withstood review upstairs -- that is, how the reviewers could conclude that the call on the field (that the play somehow was not over when the ball was caught and controlled with two feet on the ground in the end zone) should be upheld -- is flat out inexplicable.
Here's how I'd argue the refs got it right  
BlackLight : 9/26/2014 2:01 pm : link
If Randle catches the ball in the endzone, establishes control, gets two feet down, but then falls down without being hit and the ball comes loose upon hitting the ground, it'd be an incomplete pass, and I don't think we're having this discussion.

So why would the call be different given that Randle had the ball jarred loose by a defender?
I was so pissed at Randle  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2014 2:07 pm : link
- First I had him in one of my fantasy leagues
- Second, Eli had to eat an Int that was actually a TD

I get so sick of "non Giant" fans bitching about his picks. Eli's picks are some of the flukiest things.
RE: Not sure if this has been asked yet but....  
BlackLight : 9/26/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11885715 lvkid7 said:
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Do you think if the ball didn't get "intercepted" but harmlessly hit the ground at the 1 yard line, that the call would have been incomplete?


Yes.
RE: I was so pissed at Randle  
Jimmy Googs : 9/27/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 11885912 PatersonPlank said:
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- First I had him in one of my fantasy leagues
- Second, Eli had to eat an Int that was actually a TD

I get so sick of "non Giant" fans bitching about his picks. Eli's picks are some of the flukiest things.


Totally agree that Eli gets some of the oddest picks going against him. Several already this year...
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